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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 18, 2020 9:23:42 GMT
we are dancing around in the lower reaches of the Championship we still manage to have players topping those little stats features. Manning has the most assists for a defender,  and Eze is the highest rated player over the season, which does show some level of consistency from him this season and he has started every game so far. Ratings Apps Rt *Ordered by appearance weighted ratings E. Eze QPR 33 7.45 S. Fletcher S. Wed 21(1) 7.40 M. Pereira W. Brom 25(4) 7.40 J. Wallace Millwall 31 7.39 J. Swift Reading 27(1) 7.39 |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Feb 18, 2020 10:17:30 GMT
By a Country mile as well
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Post by West Acton on Feb 18, 2020 10:37:49 GMT
Who does Bryan play for thought he was at West Ham? Yiadom ex spurs we were in for him
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Post by Corbray on Feb 18, 2020 10:57:24 GMT
Who does Bryan play for thought he was at West Ham? Yiadom ex spurs we were in for him plays for fulham still but almost went to soton. you're probably thinking of ryan fredericks who swapped fulham for west ham last season. positive stats though these, manning has been excellent the past 2 games |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 18, 2020 12:32:23 GMT
Havent seen last two games so not commenting on Manning's performances but this is where I lose interest in stats. I don't want my defenders topping lists for assists, I want them topping lists for defending.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2020 12:38:28 GMT
Impressive and just further goes to show he should be LM, not LB where he can get found out. Wonder what the season's stats are for conceding goals down our left side when he's been LB or LWB, compared to the right side.
Yes, Eze has been noticeably more consistent this season.
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 18, 2020 12:47:10 GMT
Tough crowd.  I just thought I would post something positive about our players and it got jumped on. I could research who has been the most responsible for giving away goals or some such if it would appeal more? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 18, 2020 12:48:52 GMT
Grow up. It was a perfectly reasonable point.
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 18, 2020 12:51:05 GMT
Grow up. It was a perfectly reasonable point. Why not just accept it as not your sort of post then and not decry the effort? Scroll past. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 18, 2020 12:55:49 GMT
Impressive and just further goes to show he should be LM, not LB where he can get found out. Wonder what the season's stats are for conceding goals down our left side when he's been LB or LWB, compared to the right side. Yes, Eze has been noticeably more consistent this season. i don't mind manning at LB as he's fairly good at going forward and works pretty hard. who would he replace at LM too? eze, chair and bos all pretty much rotate around the final third but i don't think manning has the technique or skill to replace either of them further up the pitch. he's not a natural LB for sure but i reckon he'll get better at defending, the main problem with him getting forward is our CBs don't seem able to cover him properly imo |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 18, 2020 13:06:38 GMT
Grow up. It was a perfectly reasonable point. Why not just accept it as not your sort of post then and not decry the effort? Scroll past. I usually try to ignore you but sometimes your Orwellian attempts to control the thinking on this board need a rebuttal. You take rose tinted a bit far at times - I'm sure if someone from the club suggested you should stick your head in an oven you'd just ask how hot? Opinions and comments. As for jumping on I think you will find you jumped on my reasonable opinion about stats. I don't care. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 18, 2020 13:24:00 GMT
Why not just accept it as not your sort of post then and not decry the effort? Scroll past. I usually try to ignore you but sometimes your Orwellian attempts to control the thinking on this board need a rebuttal. You take rose tinted a bit far at times - I'm sure if someone from the club suggested you should stick your head in an oven you'd just ask how hot? Opinions and comments. As for jumping on I think you will find you jumped on my reasonable opinion about stats. I don't care. I offer a suggestion and you accuse me of Orwellian control tactics? and follow it up by denigrating me. The post was well received by most but you obviously have a problem with anything positive about QPR, especially based on your posting history. As I said, if you don't like to read positive posts about QPR then scroll past; or block me or whatever you need to do to keep the hatred of the club festering away. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Feb 18, 2020 13:25:29 GMT
Havent seen last two games so not commenting on Manning's performances but this is where I lose interest in stats. I don't want my defenders topping lists for assists, I want them topping lists for defending. Entertaining though Al I thought he was excellent on Saturday. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2020 13:37:24 GMT
you obviously have a problem with anything positive about QPR Esox mate, I note you often accuse other posters of using hyperbole but here's the latest example in which you do exactly the same, which is quite hypocritical of you really. I've noticed but resisted pointing this out until now, but IMO it's part of the reason why you clash with several posters on here. Knowing AlanWycombe as I have over the years I can say categorically that your quote above could not be further from the truth. Your positivity is an admirable quality, but I really think it's a matter of showing some more tolerance to those with differing views and being less antagonistic with it. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Feb 18, 2020 14:26:56 GMT
Esox I quite often agree with your views and I think you are a good poster with a lot to contribute but Stan makes a good point. I accept that my views are different to others and I think you need to try and do that a bit more. Of course people fall out on these forums and disagree but we all need to be mindful that we have different opinions.
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Post by Corbray on Feb 18, 2020 15:16:52 GMT
Esox I quite often agree with your views and I think you are a good poster with a lot to contribute but Stan makes a good point. I accept that my views are different to others and I think you need to try and do that a bit more. Of course people fall out on these forums and disagree but we all need to be mindful that we have different opinions. exactly this. some posters are more negative or positive than others which isn't an issue in the slightest on a forum about opinions. everyone is entitled to say what they want. if you don't like what someone says then just ignore it imo |
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Post by 1qprdk on Feb 18, 2020 16:52:32 GMT
Esox I quite often agree with your views and I think you are a good poster with a lot to contribute but Stan makes a good point. I accept that my views are different to others and I think you need to try and do that a bit more. Of course people fall out on these forums and disagree but we all need to be mindful that we have different opinions. exactly this. some posters are more negative or positive than others which isn't an issue in the slightest on a forum about opinions. everyone is entitled to say what they want. if you don't like what someone says then just ignore it imo Or feel free to argue if you want to |
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 18, 2020 17:08:40 GMT
you obviously have a problem with anything positive about QPR Esox mate, I note you often accuse other posters of using hyperbole but here's the latest example in which you do exactly the same, which is quite hypocritical of you really. I've noticed but resisted pointing this out until now, but IMO it's part of the reason why you clash with several posters on here. Knowing Alan Wycombe as I have over the years I can say categorically that your quote above could not be further from the truth. Your positivity is an admirable quality, but I really think it's a matter of showing some more tolerance to those with differing views and being less antagonistic with it. I aplogise to all concerned and any who haven't commented but feel the same. In my defence, I hate to see anything overly or abusively critical about QPR and I WILL rise to defend them. As I wrote somewhere else, Hugill & BOS' misses against Stoke were awful and unprofessional but I do not think that BOS & Hugill are awful professionals. I saw the article about Manning, I knew about Eze being the most consistent performer in the Championship this season and I thought I would share it as there has been quite a bit of bad and negative news about QPR. It was in no way an attempt at mind control, merely an antithesis to the club's got no money, no training ground of their own, no marquee players, a board with two members under investigation for business malpractice and any other sort of unwanted news. As I said, there was no need to piss on my chips and I understand you taking his viewpoint as he is a mate. I don't hold any malice against anyone on here and, as demonstrated by my little food recommendation, I want QPR fans to have as good a time as they possibly can at games because it never was, and quite probably will never be, an easy path to follow. I try to avoid coming on here after a defeat as I know there will be hyperbole and I know I will rise to it. Perhaps a bit of leeway on anything positive I post in reciprocation? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2020 17:32:25 GMT
Esox mate, I note you often accuse other posters of using hyperbole but here's the latest example in which you do exactly the same, which is quite hypocritical of you really. I've noticed but resisted pointing this out until now, but IMO it's part of the reason why you clash with several posters on here. Knowing Alan Wycombe as I have over the years I can say categorically that your quote above could not be further from the truth. Your positivity is an admirable quality, but I really think it's a matter of showing some more tolerance to those with differing views and being less antagonistic with it. I aplogise to all concerned and any who haven't commented but feel the same. In my defence, I hate to see anything overly or abusively critical about QPR and I WILL rise to defend them. As I wrote somewhere else, Hugill & BOS' misses against Stoke were awful and unprofessional but I do not think that BOS & Hugill are awful professionals. I saw the article about Manning, I knew about Eze being the most consistent performer in the Championship this season and I thought I would share it as there has been quite a bit of bad and negative news about QPR. It was in no way an attempt at mind control, merely an antithesis to the club's got no money, no training ground of their own, no marquee players, a board with two members under investigation for business malpractice and any other sort of unwanted news. As I said, there was no need to piss on my chips and I understand you taking his viewpoint as he is a mate. I don't hold any malice against anyone on here and, as demonstrated by my little food recommendation, I want QPR fans to have as good a time as they possibly can at games because it never was, and quite probably will never be, an easy path to follow. I try to avoid coming on here after a defeat as I know there will be hyperbole and I know I will rise to it. Perhaps a bit of leeway on anything positive I post in reciprocation? My comment was a general observation mate, not specifically related to this thread. Yes, a degree of leeway on all sides of an argument is always a good thing, agreed. My main recommendation on here would be to not accuse others of hyberbole if you are doing the same to them by way of rebuttal, as that will only fan the flames not calm them. My above comment about Alan W is based solely on my experience and knowledge of him as a poster over the last 10 years, which is where I believe your mischaracterisation of him needed pointing out. To be clear, your overall contribution to RFI is valued, your OP here being a good example. Your apology is appreciated too. |
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Post by Brian Wilson on Feb 18, 2020 18:29:17 GMT
Havent seen last two games so not commenting on Manning's performances but this is where I lose interest in stats. I don't want my defenders topping lists for assists, I want them topping lists for defending. Think the managers instructions have to be taken into account. Manning is certainly not playing the role of a normal LB. That's one reason why he is so far ahead in that graphic Essox posted.
As mentioned, having a natural left sided ball playing defender like Barbet back may help him out.
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Post by Shania on Feb 18, 2020 19:15:31 GMT
Good player when going forward. Maybe he should get a chance in a more central position. He can drift in and out..
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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 18, 2020 22:39:28 GMT
Good poster, Esox. Hope he knows that. Yep, that's just the Falafal talking......
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 18, 2020 22:53:46 GMT
Good poster, Esox. Hope he knows that. Yep, that's just the Falafal talking...... It's just a shame I can't make it there before 5 for midweek games. My next one will be before the Blues game. |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 18, 2020 23:10:43 GMT
. I don't want my defenders topping lists for assists, I want them topping lists for defending.
At our level, and with our squad, thats exactly what you should be wanting.
Someone mentioned WBs. WB's are great if you have exceptional athletes who are also gifted footballers. If you don't, and especially if you have a high back line vs anyone useful, you're going to get taken apart.
Doesn't surprise that after being deemed dead and buried a few years ago, we're seeing a lot more 4-4-2 and 4-4-2 diamond again (A.Madrid tonight, for example).
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 19, 2020 6:29:59 GMT
This reinforces my opinion that Manning is a far better winger than full back. He's been fantastic in recent games though, especially Saturday. Keep it up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 15:33:05 GMT
Havent seen last two games so not commenting on Manning's performances but this is where I lose interest in stats. I don't want my defenders topping lists for assists, I want them topping lists for defending. Why not the best of both worlds? Look how important full backs are to the way Liverpool play and how many assists they rack up. |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 19, 2020 15:51:20 GMT
Havent seen last two games so not commenting on Manning's performances but this is where I lose interest in stats. I don't want my defenders topping lists for assists, I want them topping lists for defending. Why not the best of both worlds? Look how important full backs are to the way Liverpool play and how many assists they rack up. WBs need to be 'exceptional atheletes who are also gifted footballers'. Last time I checked we had no one even approaching Robertson / Alexander Arnold standards. Mind you even then Klopp has been known to use them as out and out FBs.
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 20, 2020 14:32:05 GMT
Havent seen last two games so not commenting on Manning's performances but this is where I lose interest in stats. I don't want my defenders topping lists for assists, I want them topping lists for defending. Why not the best of both worlds? Look how important full backs are to the way Liverpool play and how many assists they rack up. Couldn't agree more in principle Beano but they are on a different planet so don't have to choose. That said, I bet Klopp tells T A-A and Robertson to defend first. For a direct comparison you only need look at City, they could do with a few positive stats on defending this year. Anyway, my point was only meant to about stats often being misleading. The game has become obsessed with them. Kane could top the stats for last minute winners but there would be no mention in the same breath if he happened to put through his own net every time he defended a corner. It was just an opinion on stats, Manning's just linked into it. |
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 20, 2020 19:53:45 GMT
Impressive and just further goes to show he should be LM, not LB where he can get found out. Wonder what the season's stats are for conceding goals down our left side when he's been LB or LWB, compared to the right side. Yes, Eze has been noticeably more consistent this season. I was about to post the same about Manning mate. |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 21, 2020 15:44:21 GMT
So we’re debating the overall picture defence and attack
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