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Post by James1979 on Apr 19, 2020 10:26:46 GMT
Yes but aren’t we talking about the professional league? But i think all leagues should be made to finish....whenever is possible
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Post by BrightonR on Apr 19, 2020 11:16:07 GMT
Why reverse them after 80% complete? Why rush to start next season? What happens if this thing comes back again? Just finish this season and then think about the next one. Are you aware that all non league teams had their results voided and there were three teams who had already achieved automatic promotion? I think both James and I would be of the opinion that the decision to void those leagues was taken far too hastily. Surely it would be better to finish a current competition when it is safe to do so, whenever that may be. You wouldn’t not hold an FA cup final if it snowed for a month in May, would you? I have no doubt that the clubs owners, the TV companies and such would be miffed about losing revenues. Boo hoo. Football isn’t about them and the sooner they get the message, the better, IMO. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 19, 2020 11:35:22 GMT
Are you aware that all non league teams had their results voided and there were three teams who had already achieved automatic promotion? I think both James and I would be of the opinion that the decision to void those leagues was taken far too hastily. Surely it would be better to finish a current competition when it is safe to do so, whenever that may be. You wouldn’t not hold an FA cup final if it snowed for a month in May, would you? I have no doubt that the clubs owners, the TV companies and such would be miffed about losing revenues. Boo hoo. Football isn’t about them and the sooner they get the message, the better, IMO. I am also firmly of the opinion that they acted way too hastily in cancelling the lower leagues. I can see a lot of litigation if they do something different for the remaining clubs, and deservedly so. |
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Post by James1979 on Apr 19, 2020 11:53:48 GMT
Brighton states it much better than i can or have done!
I just don’t understand the rush? No one knows what will happen with Corona. Will it come back? Will it be more deadly? When will it really end? Will we get a vaccine?
How can football make a decision when scientists don’t know either. The aim has to be to finish this season. I don’t care if that is in 2021. After that has happened we get stared on next season.
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 19, 2020 12:26:29 GMT
Brighton states it much better than i can or have done! I just don’t understand the rush? No one knows what will happen with Corona. Will it come back? Will it be more deadly? When will it really end? Will we get a vaccine? How can football make a decision when scientists don’t know either. The aim has to be to finish this season. I don’t care if that is in 2021. After that has happened we get started on next season. By that time a lot of our players, and other teams players will be out of contract. You can't force them to stay if they get a better offer, and there will be some who clubs want out the door. We have at least one player out of the country right now so that will, I imagine, be a scenario for many teams. For me, scrap the season at all levels to avoid any legal issues and start over with a full season when it is safe to do so. Amateur teams are no less loved by their supporters, and probably more so than the top elite EPL teams, why should their dreams and hopes be crushed whilst every obstacle is tackled to ensure the professional teams get to play? |
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 20, 2020 9:50:28 GMT
I want the season to be finished. Even if it means next season being delayed then there will be ways around it. Fixtures in the same city playing games a couple of days a part, like in London for example. Speed up the season, less gaps in between. I am sure all the players and managers would be okay with this, as they have now realised what they stand to miss so they can stop moaning about only have a week break between games!
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Post by BrightonR on Apr 28, 2020 14:36:19 GMT
I see that the french PM has just told their parliament that professional sport, especially football, will not be able to resume this season. Interesting, considering that an easing of their lockdown is imminent.
Squeaky bum time in Liverpool and Leeds !! 😂
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Post by esoxlucius on Apr 28, 2020 21:22:16 GMT
I see that the french PM has just told their parliament that professional sport, especially football, will not be able to resume this season. Interesting, considering that an easing of their lockdown is imminent. Squeaky bum time in Liverpool and Leeds !! 😂 I saw in a post on another forum that a match played behind closed doors could involve anywhere between 200-400 people depending on the teams involved and if the season is compressed to get it finished it would only work up until the moment that one person involved developed symptoms and all 200-400 people would go straight into isolation. This would disrupt any plans to finish the season, especially if it happened in more than one match early on. This whole drive to play without fans is purely because clubs are shitting themselves that Sky & BT will not be paying any prize money if the season doesn't finish. Potentially, a few lives aren't that important it seems. There are also a number of teams with players isolating in other countries. |
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Post by James1979 on May 4, 2020 7:39:44 GMT
So most of the premier league clubs will play again at neutral venues if there’s no relegation. Fucking ridiculous. Should end it now and relegate bottom 3 for suggesting it.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 4, 2020 7:48:35 GMT
If you in the bottom half of the cash cow,you would be trying for no relegation.where as now saying no fans in grounds maybe all next year.well say goodbye to nigh on every club out of the prem. So in a roundabout way the elite have got their wish of an elite league with mo relegation as be no where to relegate them too left.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on May 4, 2020 7:52:23 GMT
Not surprising that they would take that stance but it will really annoy me if Villa stay up like that.
It is a bit of a mess.
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Post by Tarbie on May 4, 2020 8:43:20 GMT
I don't know how they fix football at the moment.
I agree that we are probably not going to be in a situation where thousands of people can congregate like that until the whole country is immune to this virus. That could be well into 2021. They can probably work out a plan to get the Premier League matches played, cos they can survive on TV money alone. Clubs outside the Premier League are shafted though. All running at huge losses without ticket sales. In fact, aside from the Premier League, Champions League and a few other leagues in the world that is probably the case across the board.
The next problem is going to come this summer. No out of contract players will be renewed and Premier League clubs will pick the bones of cash strapped Championship clubs for their best talent. For the smaller clubs who get through this, we are most likely looking at a complete rebuilding job on the flip side.
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Post by spongeparr on May 4, 2020 11:36:19 GMT
I think that they should just worry about this season. If it restarts in Feb then fine, this season will be known as the 19/21 season. Yeha some players might move on but it isn't going to be perfect and it never will be while scientists etc don't know when it will be resolved.
The no relegation is annoying. 3 weeks ago, teams were saying we'll do whatever to get it finished. Now, because they cant play at 'home' in an empty stadium it isn't fair so we should all stay up. So it's basically a rush for pre season friendlies.
Forget the Champions League finishing if Eufa/fifa want it done by August. Finshing a league for 92 teams is more important than finishing a cup competition for the last 16 or whatever stage we are at.
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Post by esoxlucius on May 4, 2020 12:44:01 GMT
What about clubs who have first team players abroad at the moment and no sign of them coming back? QPR have at least one that I know of, Chair, but with the amount of overseas players in the EPL & Championship I would be surprised if not all teams are affected by this.
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Post by Tarbie on May 4, 2020 14:30:08 GMT
What about clubs who have first team players abroad at the moment and no sign of them coming back? QPR have at least one that I know of, Chair, but with the amount of overseas players in the EPL & Championship I would be surprised if not all teams are affected by this. The amount of money in top flight football, I doubt it would be too much of an issue to charter a private jet to get them back. |
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Post by hal9thou on May 4, 2020 16:33:57 GMT
The other thing is the contracts situation.
If we reschedule post the end of the conventional season - which has to happen if the season restarts at all - that's going to cause a few headaches. My understanding is that legally, end of season contracts end on the date the season was supposed to have ended, not at some unspecified time in the future.
If it wasn't for the loss of broadcast revenue, I reckon they'd have deemed 19/20 null and void. All the other options are even more problematic.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 4, 2020 16:38:46 GMT
I think it was said that if Italy don't finish 40/50% clubs be gone bust finito
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Post by Bill on May 5, 2020 10:53:39 GMT
The football restart question is a major problem.
The only way is to totally cancel this season and start fresh say August/September.
Even the above will cause problems players out of contract,clubs that will struggle big time financially and may go to the wall.
I have given this a lot of thought another way maybe is to take an average of points gained 19/20 season and multiply by each clubs
remaining games.This would give final positions and Champions,Promtion and relegation isuues could be settled.
There are going to be winners and losers but given the situation we are in,people losing their lives these issues seem to be insignificant.
Another possible solution could be to take the figures from this season so far and add them to next season,and let the total for this part season
and hopefully a full season 20/21 and let the champions promotion and relegation issues be settled then.
The FA cup could be finished early next season with the lower clubs starting their journeys as norml.
The League Cup could be just as per normal.
The Champions league and Europa League is a little more complex with overseas travel being involved but surely could be delayed
and restarted as and when possible.The question of next years qualification could be along the lines of the adding average points to each
team in the Prem and taking final positions from the final table,not ideal but a possibility.
We are are living through extraordinary times and radical solutions,brave decisions and honesty must come to the fore to save our game
we all love so much
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Post by esoxlucius on May 5, 2020 13:15:06 GMT
If there could be a cancellation of cup games, internationals etc. and Sky/ BT to commit to only broadcasting games on the days and times they are scheduled,then a potential solution may be that this season is struck from the records from top to bottom, not just the bottom as is the case now, and a new season which lasts 25 weeks for EPL teams and 21 weeks for EPL teams with all fixtures played played on alternating Saturdays & Wednesdays. This could be started as late as December 2020/ January 2021 and be completed in time for August 2021 off as a Summer break.
The obvious caveat being that it must be safe to do so without endangering either the emergency services ability to deal with C-19 cases or players/ officials/ spectators.
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Post by Timmy Doc on May 6, 2020 10:15:04 GMT
Finland will start their main league July 1st. Was supposed to start mid April.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 6, 2020 11:45:57 GMT
If u cant have fans present for a fairly long time,clubs will fold. Then any leagues structure isup in the air as wont know whom is still in business to compete......
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Post by esoxlucius on May 15, 2020 11:19:10 GMT
It looks like it is only going to be the Premier League that completes its fixtures now and some ludicrous safety measures to be implemented after concerns by the players and their managers. Players will not be allowed to touch each other and a distance of 2m between players is to be strictly enforced by the refereeing team. Any time the ball is touched by a player the game is to stop to allow a specially trained team of ball sanitisers to come on the pitch and clean the ball before allowing the player in possession to kick the ball. When a goalkeeper touches the ball the game will be stopped whilst he changes his gloves after releasing it.
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Post by BrightonR on May 15, 2020 11:31:11 GMT
It looks like it is only going to be the Premier League that completes its fixtures now and some ludicrous safety measures to be implemented after concerns by the players and their managers. Players will not be allowed to touch each other and a distance of 2m between players is to be strictly enforced by the refereeing team. Any time the ball is touched by a player the game is to stop to allow a specially trained team of ball sanitisers to come on the pitch and clean the ball before allowing the player in possession to kick the ball. When a goalkeeper touches the ball the game will be stopped whilst he changes his gloves after releasing it. Is this a joke that’s been put in the wrong section? |
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Post by esoxlucius on May 15, 2020 11:42:03 GMT
It looks like it is only going to be the Premier League that completes its fixtures now and some ludicrous safety measures to be implemented after concerns by the players and their managers. Players will not be allowed to touch each other and a distance of 2m between players is to be strictly enforced by the refereeing team. Any time the ball is touched by a player the game is to stop to allow a specially trained team of ball sanitisers to come on the pitch and clean the ball before allowing the player in possession to kick the ball. When a goalkeeper touches the ball the game will be stopped whilst he changes his gloves after releasing it. Is this a joke that’s been put in the wrong section? Gallows humour? It didn't seem that dark. |
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Post by hal9thou on May 15, 2020 12:44:20 GMT
EFL have just failed to agree a policy with league 1 clubs.
The majority wanted to void the season, six didn't. That means the majority wasn't big enough.
Interesting times.
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Post by esoxlucius on May 15, 2020 13:46:41 GMT
EFL have just failed to agree a policy with league 1 clubs. The majority wanted to void the season, six didn't. That means the majority wasn't big enough. Interesting times. What a time to be a sports lawyer. |
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Post by hal9thou on May 15, 2020 20:33:13 GMT
EFL have just failed to agree a policy with league 1 clubs. The majority wanted to void the season, six didn't. That means the majority wasn't big enough. Interesting times. What a time to be a sports lawyer. Indeed.
Since then, League 2 clubs have voted to call the season using (as I understand it) the average ppg method. But no relegation and no clarity on promotion. It's a mess..
There are so many contradictions and angles to this whole situation. I'm not sure that many clubs below the EPL could even afford to be involved in games, since a figure of £140k has been quoted to fill the bio security protocols. Thats 140 large that clubs would have to pick up the tab for every single game. That's why League 2 dont want the season continued on the park.
it's the reverse of the EPL scenario where not finishing the season costs money. So as usual we have a scenario where the EFL and prem clubs have conflicting agendas.
I think there'd be a lot more on Rs forums about this if we weren't parked in mid table....
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Post by West Acton on May 15, 2020 20:50:38 GMT
Stupid question how does ppg work??? In my head the league will just be as it currently is
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 15, 2020 20:52:11 GMT
Average points per game,then data chucked in computer and it does rest.
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Post by hal9thou on May 15, 2020 23:39:34 GMT
Stupid question how does ppg work???
So you work out the average ppg achieved so far home and away and project the results onto the remaining number of fixtures. So if you've averaged 1.3 points away to date and have 5 away fixtures left you get awarded 1.3 x 5 = 6.5 points etc etc. You just project what has happened onto your remaining fixtures.
But its flawed, because ppg doesn't factor in quality of future opposition. Supposing your last 5 away games (to be decided by ppg to date) include trips to the top three, then its likely that you'll benefit from the application of ppg, especially if you made a decent fist of the away games you've actually played. And that's because in this case ppg is essentially a projection. The only time ppg analysis is maths accurate is at the end of the completed season, which is why the system is a bit half arsed when applied with ten games left. There are other objections, but that's the main one.
Bottom line is, teams with something to play for who regard their remaining fixtures as pretty decent are going to have serious problems with it.
Like I said earlier though, the biggest problem for all sides below the prem is the fact that its going to cost a lot of money to play any games at all, due to the serious expense of meeting the mandatory bio security standards.
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