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Post by acricketer on Apr 5, 2020 23:28:56 GMT
I like footballers when they play football.
They are a bunch of cunts when they're not.
Discuss.
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Post by James1979 on Apr 5, 2020 23:29:59 GMT
Some like Lineker, Gary Neville banging on about what saints they are.
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 6, 2020 0:42:40 GMT
I actually heard an interesting angle on this the other day. We don't actually want them to take a pay cut. If they did, they would pay less tax and that would cost the government hundreds of millions of pounds a year. Better they keep getting paid the full amount and taxed on it.
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Post by hubble on Apr 6, 2020 6:44:34 GMT
Not sure it's fair singling footballers out, even if they are ludicrously overpaid. What about all the other wealthy people?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 6, 2020 6:55:15 GMT
What anyone gets paid is their business. All boil's down to envy.
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 6, 2020 8:19:59 GMT
Economies of scale as well Leighsie. The more you earn, the more you spend. If you have an 80% mortgage on a 3m million pound house you probably have exactly the same stresses as somebody with a 80% mortgage on a 200k flat right now.
With regards to the footballers, the ones that can afford to should be making charitable donations right now, and many are. As are so many privileged people from different walks of life. If people wanna direct there anger at someone they should like at people like Jack Grealish and Kyle Walker who are throwing parties and getting on it while the rest of us are obeying the rules.
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Post by Bill on Apr 6, 2020 8:25:25 GMT
Prespective some earn over 1 million a month plus....poor souls
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Post by Timmy Doc on Apr 6, 2020 8:34:15 GMT
I actually heard an interesting angle on this the other day. We don't actually want them to take a pay cut. If they did, they would pay less tax and that would cost the government hundreds of millions of pounds a year. Better they keep getting paid the full amount and taxed on it. They should donate. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 6, 2020 8:42:03 GMT
What anyone gets paid is their business. All boil's down to envy. Never so so wrong. Live for today fuck tomorrow Not suatainable. Problem comes along......snowflakes Self discipline responsiblity fucked oh mum and dad bail us out again |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 6, 2020 9:05:47 GMT
I actually heard an interesting angle on this the other day. We don't actually want them to take a pay cut. If they did, they would pay less tax and that would cost the government hundreds of millions of pounds a year. Better they keep getting paid the full amount and taxed on it. They should donate. Just said exactly the same thing above mate. Many famous and/or wealthy people are donating right now. It's not making the news in the West but Africa is basically being kept afloat on charity and donations from the wealthy at the moment. Unfortunately I think that situation will continue for a while too. I'll reiterate, rather than generally throwing stones at people that have done well out of life, surely a better approach would be for people to direct their anger at those that could help but choose not to? Mike Ashley for example furloughed his non-playing staff at Newcastle literally as soon as he was able to, whilst at the same time refusing to shut his high street stores. In what world should Gary Lineker come in for more public criticism for simply stating that it is up to the players whether they take a pay cut or not? I personally think Matt Hancock's choice to call out footballers so publicly was the a bad call. A better bet would have been an appeal behind closed doors to highest tax contributors in our society asking if they would be prepared to give something back to the country in the form of a tax-deductible charitable donation. It would have been less confrontational and probably far more successful than the kind of public witch hunt that we have going on now. |
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Post by Brian Wilson on Apr 6, 2020 9:52:48 GMT
Footballers make a good scapegoat. Give the people somewhere to deflect their anger.
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Post by Bill on Apr 6, 2020 9:59:09 GMT
Just said exactly the same thing above mate. Many famous and/or wealthy people are donating right now. It's not making the news in the West but Africa is basically being kept afloat on charity and donations from the wealthy at the moment. Unfortunately I think that situation will continue for a while too. I'll reiterate, rather than generally throwing stones at people that have done well out of life, surely a better approach would be for people to direct their anger at those that could help but choose not to? Mike Ashley for example furloughed his non-playing staff at Newcastle literally as soon as he was able to, whilst at the same time refusing to shut his high street stores. In what world should Gary Lineker come in for more public criticism for simply stating that it is up to the players whether they take a pay cut or not? I personally think Matt Hancock's choice to call out footballers so publicly was the a bad call. A better bet would have been an appeal behind closed doors to highest tax contributors in our society asking if they would be prepared to give something back to the country in the form of a tax-deductible charitable donation. It would have been less confrontational and probably far more successful than the kind of public witch hunt that we have going on now. Why do they have to be asked thought we were all in this together Sorry no witch hunt just plane obvious accept some responibity and accept it for what it is. |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 6, 2020 10:06:06 GMT
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 6, 2020 10:19:40 GMT
I find it funny that people want them to take a pay cut, yet that only helps the club and not the NHS. Surely, a better stance would be for the players to cover the non playing staff 20% or gift money to the NHS rather than taking a cut.
As it has been pointed out, if they take a cut, it just means they are paying less tax and actually harming the NHS and not saving it.
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Post by James1979 on Apr 6, 2020 10:31:18 GMT
The government said make a contribution not a pay cut. The point is that premier league clubs have furloughed staff, taking advantage of scheme that tax payer will have to pay for. The club and players should
have discussed deferring wages of players so that other staff can keep their jobs and get paid 100% of salary. The premier league clubs are taking advantage of a scheme designed for businesses that will not survive. If other companies are doing the same then call them out too. But premier league football as an industry is not comparable to a lot of industries that will be hit during this crisis. For footballs big clubs this is a temporary blip. For a lot of companies this may be terminal and they do not have the means to survive or their only option is to furlough staff. That’s what the scheme is there for.
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 6, 2020 10:40:48 GMT
I don't disagree with what you are saying James, but why are we all taking aim at the players in that case? Surely your beef is with the chairmen of Premier League football clubs, or the Premier League and/or FA for not getting an initiative sorted as an alternative to furloughing non playing staff?
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Post by lymehoop on Apr 6, 2020 11:09:25 GMT
it's immoral footballers taking home vast amounts while the tea lady gets the boot. Better if they all contribute a grand say, so the less fortunate employees at the club keep their jobs
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Post by James1979 on Apr 6, 2020 11:28:50 GMT
I don't disagree with what you are saying James, but why are we all taking aim at the players in that case? Surely your beef is with the chairmen of Premier League football clubs, or the Premier League and/or FA for not getting an initiative sorted as an alternative to furloughing non playing staff? If these chairmen made the decision without talking to the players, then yes. I would find that highly unlikely. You really think this decision was made by eg Liverpool and players were unaware? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 6, 2020 11:44:01 GMT
They get paid more,but they spend more which helps all sorts of business and people indirectly or directly
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 6, 2020 11:44:47 GMT
We will never know the answer to that James.
Call me naive, but I'd hope that if the players of top flight clubs were approached and asked to cover the costs of the non-playing staff at their club to prevent them losing their jobs then most would say yes.
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 6, 2020 11:52:21 GMT
They get paid more,but they spend more which helps all sorts of business and people indirectly or directly That is economics laid out in it's barest terms mate. Money needs to change hands for everything to keep ticking along. If you remove all disposable and leave people with just enough for bare essentials you basically have a situation something like a communist regime. The government will be responsible for the well being of everyone. Not that the above really applies to people on Premier League football wages, but you do want high net worth individuals to keep spending their money somewhere. It keeps everything ticking over to some extent. This subject is closely linked to why I believe countries that have gone straight to full lockdown may have a problem in the coming months. If everyone is locked indoors and spending next to nothing then the whole system will start to fail at some stage in the not too distant future. |
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Post by BrightonR on Apr 6, 2020 11:57:25 GMT
We will never know the answer to that James. Call me naive, but I'd hope that if the players of top flight clubs were approached and asked to cover the costs of the non-playing staff at their club to prevent them losing their jobs then most would say yes. I would hope so too Tarbs. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 6, 2020 12:06:28 GMT
See if Boris dies I can take over
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Post by hubble on Apr 6, 2020 12:10:52 GMT
The point is, as Tarbs and James have pointed out, it's the clubs and their owners that need taking to task, not the players. Furloughing their ordinary employees, to whom they pay a fraction of what they pay their players, and expecting the tax-payer to pick up the tab is nothing short of disgraceful. To see Tottenham and Newcastle doing it was bad enough - but we've come to expect that kind of behaviour from their owners. To see Liverpool doing it is shocking. Bill Shankly must be turning in his grave.
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Post by James1979 on Apr 6, 2020 12:33:28 GMT
We will never know the answer to that James. Call me naive, but I'd hope that if the players of top flight clubs were approached and asked to cover the costs of the non-playing staff at their club to prevent them losing their jobs then most would say yes. But I think they were asked but couldn’t give a respond quick enough. Rose, Neville, Lineker have said that conversations were had but it isn’t simple. To me it is simple and quick. You ask each player whether he will defer 5-10% for example. It’s not a reduction but a deferral so tax man gets same in long run. This could have been done 4 weeks ago. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 6, 2020 15:53:42 GMT
No witch hunt just makes sense for those who earn a packet to help out,why you so angry about this |
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Post by Bill on Apr 6, 2020 15:55:26 GMT
They get paid more,but they spend more which helps all sorts of business and people indirectly or directly That is economics laid out in it's barest terms mate. Money needs to change hands for everything to keep ticking along. If you remove all disposable and leave people with just enough for bare essentials you basically have a situation something like a communist regime. The government will be responsible for the well being of everyone. Not that the above really applies to people on Premier League football wages, but you do want high net worth individuals to keep spending their money somewhere. It keeps everything ticking over to some extent. This subject is closely linked to why I believe countries that have gone straight to full lockdown may have a problem in the coming months. If everyone is locked indoors and spending next to nothing then the whole system will start to fail at some stage in the not too distant future. so money or lives you choose |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 6, 2020 15:57:20 GMT
God that's a hard one😊
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Post by Bill on Apr 6, 2020 15:57:45 GMT
They get paid more,but they spend more which helps all sorts of business and people indirectly or directly yea shoving it up their noses |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 6, 2020 16:01:33 GMT
Charlie has a chain,plenty make from it at all levels,the importer,exporter,the cutter,runner etc and the farmer.
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