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Post by West Acton on Mar 10, 2019 11:08:13 GMT
I like him but he has been at fault for few goals since his return or making mistakes
Red yesterday, pen last week, two goals his fault against Birmingham
Not sure what we do with him as he’s out of contract? Cut our losses given his record or invest more time and money in him
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Post by hubble on Mar 10, 2019 11:41:41 GMT
I think it's going to take him the rest of the season for him to recover the Rolls Royce poise he had before he got injured. So I say keep him.
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 10, 2019 11:43:50 GMT
No point investing time and money in him if he's not 100% fit and he doesn't look like it - certainly doesn't have the confidence he used to have. Only the back room know the truth so let's hope they get it right.
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 10, 2019 11:49:37 GMT
I think it's going to take him the rest of the season for him to recover the Rolls Royce poise he had before he got injured. So I say keep him. In addition to that bear in mind the CB pairing is probably the most important partnership on the pitch in terms of knowing and reading each other's game. It'll therefore take time for him and BFG to build up that understanding, in the same way Lynch and Leistner had. He's probably not 100% match fit yet either. So I'd say it's too early to make an overall judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 12:38:26 GMT
If fit we should keep him as the thought of Lynch coming back in does not bear thinking about.
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Post by West Acton on Mar 10, 2019 13:17:34 GMT
Always been prone to a clanger has Hall but fine player when he’s purring
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 26, 2019 9:19:29 GMT
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Post by hubble on Mar 26, 2019 9:25:36 GMT
I think we forget the pressure these lads put themselves under (and are under) sometimes. Good to hear he's been able to express this openly and is making a full recovery.
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 26, 2019 9:28:37 GMT
Defo Hubbs.
Must be very difficult dealing with a bad injury and lots of time and money on your hands.
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Post by West Acton on Mar 26, 2019 9:41:58 GMT
Merson was on the box saying exact same thing. Money don’t hide you from the demons
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 26, 2019 9:56:58 GMT
It's true. Only have to see the amount of rich successful celebrities who take their own lives because of depression. Money means nothing if you're fighting a battle in your head.
Really deep subject.
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 26, 2019 10:23:02 GMT
Good interview. He speaks really well which is good as being able to articulate it clearly, honestly and publicly is half the battle to recovery. The key thing too is that he doesn't regard doing that as a weakness but if anything, a strength because of these sadly prevalent taboo subjects, especially in professional sports.
More power to you Grant and wish you all the best if you happen to read this.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Mar 26, 2019 13:09:18 GMT
Jesus. Fair play to him for dragging himself out of that mire. Must've been awful.
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Post by Tarbie on Mar 27, 2019 9:06:37 GMT
Interesting how things change with time. When I left the UK in 2008 this level of honesty with regards to mental health would be considered an admission of weakness.
Here in SA, despite the fact half the population are on anti-depressants, their top sportsmen would be absolutely hammered if they came out in the press talking about this type of thing.
I'm still on the fence as to whether it's a good thing or not myself. I think it's great to be able to talk about mental illness, as nobody is immune to it. I do however miss a bit of good old fashioned stuff upper lip and mental toughness that us Brits used to be renowned for!
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 27, 2019 11:53:50 GMT
I do however miss a bit of good old fashioned stuff upper lip and mental toughness that us Brits used to be renowned for! Easy to say mate if you're not struggling with depression or mental health issues. |
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Post by Tarbie on Mar 27, 2019 11:57:56 GMT
I do however miss a bit of good old fashioned stuff upper lip and mental toughness that us Brits used to be renowned for! Easy to say mate if you're not struggling with depression or mental health issues. And how do you know that I'm not mate? I think anyone who says they've never struggled with mental health issues at some point in their lives is probably not being totally truthful. |
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Post by BrightonR on Mar 27, 2019 13:34:09 GMT
Almost exactly 6 years ago now, I picked up a bloke who wanted to go to Beachy Head. As we were approaching it, I asked him what he was doing there, to which he responded he was going for a drink with friends in the pub. He asked if I knew of any Eastbourne taxi numbers for when he wanted to come back. I didn’t, but gave him mine and said I would go and get him if he couldn’t get a taxi elsewhere.
My wife was horrified that I’d taken someone there, even checking that I knew of it’s history as the most popular suicide spot in the UK.
I thought no more of it until, 5 weeks later an envelope arrived. It contained various correspondence between the police and the taxi company regarding a missing persons enquiry, which identified that it was me that picked him up and took him there. The accompanying letter was from the coroner. He had jumped not long after I dropped him off.
I was asked to attend the inquest, which I did. It was an eye opener to say the least. The poor bloke had been under regular psychiatric care for over 20 years, almost all of his adult life. He even thought that his friends were poisoning his food.
His sister approached me afterwards and enquired as to whether or not we had any “procedures” in place if anyone wants to go there. Unfortunately, there are not. Needless to say, I won’t be taking anybody else there, if they are on their own.
What I found really sad, was that it took the police 3 weeks to contact the local taxi companies. And more importantly, why?
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Post by 1qprdk on Mar 27, 2019 13:36:19 GMT
I'm still on the fence as to whether it's a good thing or not mysel It´s because people perceive it as different to physical health, when in reality it´s not. Who would be ashamed to talk about a broken leg? Nobody. A broken brain is basically the same. Just a part of your body, that is not working quite the way it was supposed to. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Mar 27, 2019 13:40:51 GMT
Grant Hall, Grant Hall. He is the Shepherd's Bushquets
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Mar 27, 2019 14:23:33 GMT
I'm still on the fence as to whether it's a good thing or not mysel It´s because people perceive it as different to physical health, when in reality it´s not. Who would be ashamed to talk about a broken leg? Nobody. A broken brain is basically the same. Just a part of your body, that is not working quite the way it was supposed to. That is a really good analogy. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Mar 27, 2019 16:34:00 GMT
It´s because people perceive it as different to physical health, when in reality it´s not. Who would be ashamed to talk about a broken leg? Nobody. A broken brain is basically the same. Just a part of your body, that is not working quite the way it was supposed to. That is a really good analogy. It really is. Isn´t it. If only people would look at the mind as another part of the body. I think it would seriously help people with mental health issues to only focus on the problem and not all the additional baggage that goes hand in hand with a mentalistic approach to psychological issues, for instance the feeling of guilt and blame. Shifting between feeling personally responsible for your mental issues and blaming someone else, when the cause doesn´t really matter. You just need to get on with things and excercise your brain the same way you would treat a leg that´s just come out the bandage. |
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Post by Tarbie on Mar 27, 2019 16:42:24 GMT
That is a really good analogy. It really is. Isn´t it. If only people would look at the mind as another part of the body. I think it would seriously help people with mental health issues to only focus on the problem and not all the additional baggage that goes hand in hand with a mentalistic approach to psychological issues, for instance the feeling of guilt and blame. Shifting between feeling personally responsible for your mental issues and blaming someone else, when the cause doesn´t really matter. You just need to get on with things and excercise your brain the same way you would treat a leg that´s just come out the bandage. See, that last sentence resonates with me a lot. I struggle with chronic anxiety, at times alcohol abuse, and in the past substance abuse. My whole adult life has been periods of excess, coupled with crippling anxiety, and periods of abstinence. But for me the worst thing I can do is wallow and get introspective. The best cure for me is to throw myself into my work, and to get on with life. This was the point I was making about the potential negatives of removing all stigma from mental illness. In my experience, sometimes paying too much attention to it is the worst thing you can do. I appreciate what I suffer from is to an extent self inflicted and in the grand scheme of things, not too serious. But I've never gone down the route of medicating, ongoing counselling etc. My mindset is that I won't allow the challenges I face to define me, or distract me from what I want to do with my life. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 21:27:48 GMT
I applaud Hall for speaking so openly about his struggles and each individual deals with this in many different ways all of which they believe to be the right as it works for them at the darkest of times. Hopefully Grant pulls through and good times are around the corner for him.
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Post by Vespa on Mar 28, 2019 3:46:42 GMT
I applaud Hall for speaking so openly about his struggles and each individual deals with this in many different ways all of which they believe to be the right as it works for them at the darkest of times. Hopefully Grant pulls through and good times are around the corner for him. I think it shows we have come a long way when Grant can speak openly about his troubles ,and likewise Tarbie can open up about his ,( especially on a football forum ) without ridicule . Not many of us are lucky enough to go through life without being touched ,either ourselves or a close family member by mental health issues . To be honest though ,it sounds to me Halls reaction as a young man ,to potentially having his dreams ended and career cut short ,was quite typical and understandable. Think most young men would have done the same in his position. Just pleased hes got the help needed and is on the comeback ,not just for him ,but for us too ,because i really rated him . |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on May 4, 2019 10:01:05 GMT
Had a hard year or two with injuries, but if he’s over the worst of them and can have a good pre season am I one of the few who believe he could be a really important player next season if we choose to resign him?
He’s not on massive wages here and a fit Hall is a quality CB at this level.
Who would keep and who would let go?
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Post by Corbray on May 4, 2019 10:05:19 GMT
defo keep and i think he'd be desperate to stay too. i think other teams have probably forgot he even existed and that along with his injury record would make it very hard for him to find a new club.
hes been good when he has played this season too plus who else are we gunna bring in anyway?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 10:10:22 GMT
Had a hard year or two with injuries, but if he’s over the worst of them and can have a good pre season am I one of the few who believe he could be a really important player next season if we choose to resign him? He’s not on massive wages here and a fit Hall is a quality CB at this level. Who would keep and who would let go? I reckon he's on a far better wage than majority of the squad as don't forget the club handed him a new deal after his impressive start at the club. Would be all for him staying on some sort of pay as you play deal, anything other than that is a big gamble on his fitness in our financial situation. |
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Post by Tarbie on May 4, 2019 10:16:00 GMT
Had a hard year or two with injuries, but if he’s over the worst of them and can have a good pre season am I one of the few who believe he could be a really important player next season if we choose to resign him? He’s not on massive wages here and a fit Hall is a quality CB at this level. Who would keep and who would let go? I reckon he's on a far better wage than majority of the squad as don't forget the club handed him a new deal after his impressive start at the club. Would be all for him staying on some sort of pay as you play deal, anything other than that is a big gamble on his fitness in our financial situation. Make you right mate, he'll be one of our higher earners. The question is can we afford to keep a high earner on the books who history tells us is only likely to be fit for half of our fixtures at best? |
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Post by Timmy Doc on May 4, 2019 10:21:42 GMT
Too injury prone. Hope we get rid of him.
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on May 4, 2019 10:42:03 GMT
He’s on 10-12k per week apparently
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