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Post by West Acton on Sept 9, 2020 9:39:42 GMT
Hal will you moan end of season if he walks out on a free?
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 9, 2020 9:43:22 GMT
sell him for a few hundread gallons of bleach to clean up the shit he's taking on our club. he's a good player but no where near good enough for the prem and still has some work to do to get there. if he was smart, which he's not, then he should sign a new contract and get his move next summer when he's more developed as a player and as a person. he needs to take some inspiration from his best mate eze who was a model pro and kept his head down despite the interest in him. eze earned his move and fully deserved it 2 very different characters and 2 very different histories. Eze is a very humble and intelligent lad from what I've seen and heard. He had been signed and released by a host of clubs in his younger years including Arsenal, Fulham, Reading & Millwall before we showed a bit of faith in him and he grew into the player he is today. I think he always appreciated what QPR did for him and was never gonna leave us in the lurch. BOS is a totally different story. I don't think he was an academy player anywhere. He was picked up in his late teens by Blackpool. He turned the screw on them when his contract started to wind down, just like he is currently doing to us. From what I've heard he ain't the sharpest tool either. Probably need to take this one on the chin if he ends up getting his way and leaving for free. The consolation I suppose is he really didn't cost us much from Blackpool. I've seen figures banded about up to 750k in terms of what we paid for him. From what I've heard, the fee was much smaller than that. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Sept 9, 2020 9:51:16 GMT
Ok, think I get it now. I heard on the news the other day that apparently full stops are now regarded by some as a "micro-aggression" 😅 Macro agression |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 9, 2020 9:56:57 GMT
Ok, think I get it now. I heard on the news the other day that apparently full stops are now regarded by some as a "micro-aggression" 😅 Let alone the poor old exclamation mark! 😨 |
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Post by Shania on Sept 9, 2020 10:44:08 GMT
Listen, if he goes we aint signing anyone else up top, which basically means we'll be left with the cutting edge of a wet paper bag. Yeah he has an attitude problem but part of the gaffers job is to turn that round (like NW did with Adel, although obviously Adel was different class). Its not long ago a lot of people on here were creaming themselves over BOS, interesting to see how opinions have changed. We need speed to open things up for Dykes. BOS is way down the list of problems at LR. At the top of that list is the current manager who is chronically unable to set out a coherent defence. I've seen better organised defences on the Scrubs. All our really major issues are off the park. Spot on. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Sept 9, 2020 13:57:42 GMT
Bos wants out more than a peados tackle in a play ground. Drop him and flog him
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Post by West Acton on Sept 10, 2020 6:32:39 GMT
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Sept 10, 2020 6:36:36 GMT
Listen, if he goes we aint signing anyone else up top, which basically means we'll be left with the cutting edge of a wet paper bag. Yeah he has an attitude problem but part of the gaffers job is to turn that round (like NW did with Adel, although obviously Adel was different class). Its not long ago a lot of people on here were creaming themselves over BOS, interesting to see how opinions have changed. We need speed to open things up for Dykes. BOS is way down the list of problems at LR. At the top of that list is the current manager who is chronically unable to set out a coherent defence. I've seen better organised defences on the Scrubs. All our really major issues are off the park. I think people's opinions have changed because of what we have seen and heard over the summer regarding contract talks etc. |
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Post by James1979 on Sept 10, 2020 7:12:08 GMT
He should sign for 1 year extension. Play a full season and if he does well, then more clubs will be in for him. No point going to palace and sitting on bench.
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 10, 2020 7:14:47 GMT
He should sign for 1 year extension. Play a full season and if he does well, then more clubs will be in for him. No point going to palace and sitting on bench. Money. |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 10, 2020 7:23:05 GMT
I hope he does go to Palace. He'll be an impact sub at best, but we need to get what we can for him now. He's shown his colours.
I wonder what is going on with Manning too. Given the manager seems insistent on picking him at left back, I'd probably like to see him go as well. Whether there is any genuine interest in him is a different story.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 7:43:32 GMT
Listen, if he goes we aint signing anyone else up top, which basically means we'll be left with the cutting edge of a wet paper bag. Yeah he has an attitude problem but part of the gaffers job is to turn that round (like NW did with Adel, although obviously Adel was different class). Its not long ago a lot of people on here were creaming themselves over BOS, interesting to see how opinions have changed. We need speed to open things up for Dykes. BOS is way down the list of problems at LR. At the top of that list is the current manager who is chronically unable to set out a coherent defence. I've seen better organised defences on the Scrubs. All our really major issues are off the park. Could not agree more. |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 10, 2020 8:21:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 8:26:04 GMT
Penrice is linked as head of recruitment at Celtic...no surprise if BOS ends up there.
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 10, 2020 8:33:03 GMT
Penrice is linked as head of recruitment at Celtic...no surprise if BOS ends up there. BOS would do well in Scotland to be fair. Standard of a lot of defences up there, he'd run rings round most of them. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 10, 2020 8:34:53 GMT
Get rid. Cash in whilst we can. No time or room for bad eggs, which he clearly is one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 8:55:11 GMT
I’m sure DOF said at recent fans forum that if BOS left on a Bosman the club would be eligible for compensation via transfer tribunal. due to his age and time developing at our club.
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 10, 2020 9:06:36 GMT
I’m sure DOF said at recent fans forum that if BOS left on a Bosman the club would be eligible for compensation via transfer tribunal. due to his age and time developing at our club. If he leaves to another English club before his 24th birthday then this is true. Given we picked him up quite late in his development I really doubt it'll be much though. Better to get what we can this window. |
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Post by Corbray on Sept 10, 2020 9:22:34 GMT
i'd rather he go and never play again for us. would happily take 2-3m for a guy making a mockery of our club
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Post by 1973ranger on Sept 10, 2020 9:41:32 GMT
Get rid. Cash in whilst we can. No time or room for bad eggs, which he clearly is one. Spot on Stan. Wrong un who we need to move on for any fee offered as the fucker will ensure we end up with nothing. The moment he turned champions league football down should have be the sign to actively move him on. No place for this kind of attitude at the club. D.O.F needs to get this sorted and quick. |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 10, 2020 10:24:11 GMT
Get rid. Cash in whilst we can. No time or room for bad eggs, which he clearly is one. Spot on Stan. Wrong un who we need to move on for any fee offered as the fucker will ensure we end up with nothing. The moment he turned champions league football down should have be the sign to actively move him on. No place for this kind of attitude at the club. D.O.F needs to get this sorted and quick. Not sure we can say DOF or club need to sort as dealing with this type of character what can they do?? He will go to a club on a deal which he wants and if that deal don’t come In he will sit it out. What can club do other then give him away or massively reduce price Bale is example sat on his arse for two seasons although club want him gone same Ozil. He knows he gets his move in 12months if nothing appeals now and i suspect he’s happy take whatever comes his way from club or fans as long as he gets what he wants |
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 10, 2020 12:41:21 GMT
Sell him. If we can't and he doesn't sign have him sell pies on match days.
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Post by awin on Sept 10, 2020 12:55:09 GMT
I half agree and half disagree re BOS.
If his contract wasn’t coming to an end and was still at the club, we would all be singing his praises and looking forward to him running at defenders this season.
It is and like many footballers these days he’s running down his contract to get the best possible payday,especially in light of the fact he hasn’t been offered a substantial pay increase.. Were it any other industry people would understand it.
The club can’t make a player leave and nor can an agent.
Cut the lad some slack, he has never spoken badly about the club and I don’t honestly think he deserves the abuse he is getting.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Sept 10, 2020 13:18:54 GMT
Can't knock someone for ambition.
I'd get rid though as stalling on a contract is a bit different to "in negotiations".
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 10, 2020 13:30:09 GMT
I half agree and half disagree re BOS. If his contract wasn’t coming to an end and was still at the club, we would all be singing his praises and looking forward to him running at defenders this season. It is and like many footballers these days he’s running down his contract to get the best possible payday,especially in light of the fact he hasn’t been offered a substantial pay increase.. Were it any other industry people would understand it. The club can’t make a player leave and nor can an agent.Cut the lad some slack, he has never spoken badly about the club and I don’t honestly think he deserves the abuse he is getting. But a player with a bit of character (see Ebere Eze), would appreciate that the club is in a situation where they can't afford to let good players walk for free, and would act accordingly. If they want to be here, sign a contract and insist on a release clause. If a bigger club comes calling they will still get their move. If they don't want to be here, then instruct their agent to find them a move. Let's not kid ourselves, we haven't priced either of these players out of the market. Unless all the speculation around them is just paper talk, they could have both had moves arranged by now if they wanted it enough. The problem is players realise that if they can engineer a situation where they move on a free, they can negotiate themselves a big signing on fee in lieu of the fact there is no transfer fee. It's pure greed really. The agents don't help either cos guess what, they also typically get a bigger fee when a player moves on a free transfer. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 10, 2020 13:31:39 GMT
He will go to a club on a deal which he wants and if that deal don’t come In he will sit it out. I'm not sure he'd want to sit it out if it means being stuck in the reserves for a whole year and not even training with the first team (which is what should happen if he refuses to sign). Different situation to Bale and Ozil as BOS is at the start of his career and is unproven. |
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Post by awin on Sept 10, 2020 13:35:13 GMT
I understand but at 22 in not sure I would want to head off to Belgium, away from family and friends during this pandemic.
I am sure if a premier league club came in and offered us £5 mil he would be off.
Annoyingly, apart from the player, clubs know they can pick up players much cheaper at the end of their contract (even with sign8ng on fees), so at the end of the day it’s often more than just one factor that gets us into this situation,
I do understand the frustration and anger, just not at a player trying to look after his long term future.
Saying all that I’d be gutted if we got nothing for him.
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Post by awin on Sept 10, 2020 13:37:10 GMT
He will go to a club on a deal which he wants and if that deal don’t come In he will sit it out. I'm not sure he'd want to sit it out if it means being stuck in the reserves for a whole year and not even training with the first team (which is what should happen if he refuses to sign). Different situation to Bale and Ozil as BOS is at the start of his career and is unproven. Cutting our nose off despite our face? Bearing in mind what I said above, I think we would suffer equally by having one of our better players not playing because of spite!?! |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 10, 2020 13:46:27 GMT
I'm not sure he'd want to sit it out if it means being stuck in the reserves for a whole year and not even training with the first team (which is what should happen if he refuses to sign). Different situation to Bale and Ozil as BOS is at the start of his career and is unproven. Cutting our nose off despite our face? Bearing in mind what I said above, I think we would suffer equally by having one of our better players not playing because of spite!?! It's not spite Awin. As said before, it's just business - it is using the only leverage available to clubs when placed in such a situation. It is leverage in that it would increase the chances of him reconsidering a deal with us. It is also leverage as it's sends a message to other clubs that if they genuinely want him, then the player is for sale and we are happy to consider offers. |
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Post by awin on Sept 10, 2020 14:01:02 GMT
Clubs know he’s for sale but equally they are aware that pre contract terms can be signed in Jan.
It’s not really the players fault that there isn’t a line to buy him and I’m not sure threatening a player will ever bring out the best in him in the long term.
It’s a crap situation that happens everywhere in football, like Ryan Fraser at Bournemouth for example.
If it’s anyone’s fault it’s UEFA and the Bosman rule.
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