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Post by West Acton on May 27, 2021 21:39:27 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on May 27, 2021 21:41:02 GMT
I stand corrected.
But my point remains. If we got to 37k with nans, cousins, and the bloke next door etc. How do we expect to do 30k a week any time soon?
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Post by West Acton on May 27, 2021 21:49:37 GMT
Just done big of googling was 39180 we were allocated in the end and sold
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Post by Tarbie on May 27, 2021 21:52:32 GMT
Hypothetically Westy. If we get a new 30,000 seater stadium, do you you genuinely see us filling it?
Only really gonna happen if we get into the Prem and offer a huge share to away support most weeks in my opinion.
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Post by hal9thou on May 27, 2021 23:47:16 GMT
Hypothetically Westy. If we get a new 30,000 seater stadium, do you you genuinely see us filling it? Only really gonna happen if we get into the Prem and offer a huge share to away support most weeks in my opinion. I think when the BBC ran the figures over the prem, they worked out that the vast majority of EPL sides could survive at that level comfortably with minimal attendance, because income is not primarily derived from bums on seats. Obviously the lower down the tiers you go the less that applies, but its a sobering thought. You could build a new stadium, get into the prem, only to discover that you didn't really need it. The other point is that new stadia can be a millstone in their own right. Many would say that Arsenal's move ended up negatively impacting on the club. In our case, there's no guarantee that any money made on the deal would be invested back into personnel and no guarantee that we'd start drawing bigger crowds. The big asset of LR was that it could be a very hostile environment for visiting sides, but the rebranding of the lower loft put paid to that. I'd like to see us make the most of LR while we still have the chance. |
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Post by West Acton on May 28, 2021 7:59:01 GMT
Suppose for me Tarbs if we did do new ground don’t seem an awful lot of point if it’s less then 25k. 25k would prob be about right but 30k would show bit of Ambition which so many keep asking for from owners
Would not consider anything above 30k as thats just a dream. Think got also remember it would not just be football stadium but multi events location so that would be factored in
If you put a good, entertaining and competitive side out on the park and price is sensibly then I think the potential is there to pull home fans of 18+ before factoring in away. But got get product right and sustain it to do that
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Post by alanwycombe on May 28, 2021 8:34:33 GMT
Suppose for me Tarbs if we did do new ground don’t seem an awful lot of point if it’s less then 25k. 25k would prob be about right but 30k would show bit of Ambition which so many keep asking for from owners Would not consider anything above 30k as thats just a dream. Think got also remember it would not just be football stadium but multi events location so that would be factored in If you put a good, entertaining and competitive side out on the park and price is sensibly then I think the potential is there to pull home fans of 18+ before factoring in away. But got get product right and sustain it to do that This, but I reckon 25 with a stand that could be easily extended if necessary (eg Cardiff) is ample. Get a few ‘prawn sandwiches’ in with nice boxes and some decent catering and have concourses that will tempt punters from the pubs (sadly) with decent beer and simple food done well - not the shit we have at the moment. Legroom and toilets are more important than extra 5k. As a multi use location it’s going to have to be very competitive in W London. Now, if it had a retractable roof......? Ok, I’ll calm down , but can’t help thinking a USP could be the answer. |
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Post by spongeparr on May 28, 2021 8:36:41 GMT
Never really got the whole "build it and they will come" mentality with regards to the stadium. Did we even sell out Loftus Road week in, week out in the Prem? Didn't even sell our full allowance for Wembley on Play Off Final day. You only need to look at every single team that built a new stadium, their attendances grew. We did sell out in the prem but again, our stadium puts a lot of fair weather fans off. Take my bro for example. Loves QPR and use to travel around but going to QPR with his 2 kids is more work than it's worth. Against Brentford he couldn't get food, drinks and go for a piss. The kids ended up standing under the stairs just so there was some space. How does that entice people to come? Warm beers, stale food. If you saw QPR as a second team you wouldn't bother coming back. I've brought mates along before and they laugh at how shit it is but agree the ground is amazing in its old shoolness (that a word?) but they wouldnt want to do it week in week out. |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 28, 2021 8:42:08 GMT
Someone will correct me I’m sure but I think we’ve only had 30k in here once in nearly 60 years. Leeds Utd. back in 68/69. Given all our local rivals have grown since then and we were in a period of high popularity - and you could get in for about 15/20p equivalent - I can’t see us suddenly become the Man U of W London.
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Post by Stanley75 on May 28, 2021 8:50:07 GMT
Suppose for me Tarbs if we did do new ground don’t seem an awful lot of point if it’s less then 25k. 25k would prob be about right but 30k would show bit of Ambition which so many keep asking for from owners Would not consider anything above 30k as thats just a dream. Think got also remember it would not just be football stadium but multi events location so that would be factored in If you put a good, entertaining and competitive side out on the park and price is sensibly then I think the potential is there to pull home fans of 18+ before factoring in away. But got get product right and sustain it to do that This, but I reckon 25 with a stand that could be easily extended if necessary (eg Cardiff) is ample. Get a few ‘prawn sandwiches’ in with nice boxes and some decent catering and have concourses that will tempt punters from the pubs (sadly) with decent beer and simple food done well - not the shit we have at the moment. Legroom and toilets are more important than extra 5k. As a multi use location it’s going to have to be very competitive in W London. Now, if it had a retractable roof......? Ok, I’ll calm down , but can’t help thinking a USP could be the answer. Exactly. As I said at the top of the thread - modular. |
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Post by Corbray on May 28, 2021 8:53:39 GMT
Never really got the whole "build it and they will come" mentality with regards to the stadium. Did we even sell out Loftus Road week in, week out in the Prem? Didn't even sell our full allowance for Wembley on Play Off Final day. You only need to look at every single team that built a new stadium, their attendances grew. We did sell out in the prem but again, our stadium puts a lot of fair weather fans off. Take my bro for example. Loves QPR and use to travel around but going to QPR with his 2 kids is more work than it's worth. Against Brentford he couldn't get food, drinks and go for a piss. The kids ended up standing under the stairs just so there was some space. How does that entice people to come? Warm beers, stale food. If you saw QPR as a second team you wouldn't bother coming back. I've brought mates along before and they laugh at how shit it is but agree the ground is amazing in its old shoolness (that a word?) but they wouldnt want to do it week in week out. i remember the first time i took the missus to an away game against reading. she was laughing at how shit our stadium is compared to theirs, her exact words were "they have a jazz bar and you have a shitty chip van" lol |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 28, 2021 8:57:00 GMT
You only need to look at every single team that built a new stadium, their attendances grew. We did sell out in the prem but again, our stadium puts a lot of fair weather fans off. Take my bro for example. Loves QPR and use to travel around but going to QPR with his 2 kids is more work than it's worth. Against Brentford he couldn't get food, drinks and go for a piss. The kids ended up standing under the stairs just so there was some space. How does that entice people to come? Warm beers, stale food. If you saw QPR as a second team you wouldn't bother coming back. I've brought mates along before and they laugh at how shit it is but agree the ground is amazing in its old shoolness (that a word?) but they wouldnt want to do it week in week out. i remember the first time i took the missus to an away game against reading. she was laughing at how shit our stadium is compared to theirs, her exact words were "they have a jazz bar and you have a shitty chip van" lol Reading perfect for us. |
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Post by hal9thou on May 28, 2021 10:14:26 GMT
You only need to look at every single team that built a new stadium, their attendances grew. We did sell out in the prem but again, our stadium puts a lot of fair weather fans off. Take my bro for example. Loves QPR and use to travel around but going to QPR with his 2 kids is more work than it's worth. Against Brentford he couldn't get food, drinks and go for a piss. The kids ended up standing under the stairs just so there was some space. How does that entice people to come? Warm beers, stale food. If you saw QPR as a second team you wouldn't bother coming back. I've brought mates along before and they laugh at how shit it is but agree the ground is amazing in its old shoolness (that a word?) but they wouldnt want to do it week in week out. i remember the first time i took the missus to an away game against reading. she was laughing at how shit our stadium is compared to theirs, her exact words were "they have a jazz bar and you have a shitty chip van" lol
Factor in a bit of quality, get to grips with the lower loft thing, turn the old place back into a bear pit and you'd soon start seeing the numbers rise.
I'm always perplexed when people complain about the difficulty of bringing kids. Kids managed just fine when there was no family stand to bee seen.
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Post by West Acton on May 28, 2021 10:19:02 GMT
Someone will correct me I’m sure but I think we’ve only had 30k in here once in nearly 60 years. Leeds Utd. back in 68/69. Given all our local rivals have grown since then and we were in a period of high popularity - and you could get in for about 15/20p equivalent - I can’t see us suddenly become the Man U of W London. not sure that point stands up as you can’t get 30k in a stadium which now holds 18k. Comparison is now how many times have we sold out current capacity. I would say when it counts and it’s a big game we do |
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Post by 1qprdk on May 28, 2021 10:24:36 GMT
Wiki: Record attendance 35,353 including standing (Queens Park Rangers v. Leeds United, 27 April 1974); 19,002 all-seated (Queens Park Rangers v. Manchester City, 6 November 1999) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loftus_Road |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 28, 2021 10:42:49 GMT
Quality football and winning matches always helps massively. The season we finished runners up to l'pool was our highest ever in terms of average attendence. IIRC we were averaging about 25k for home games that season get to grips with the lower loft thing, turn the old place back into a bear pit This is probably the single biggest mistake Hoos has made since his time at the club. Basing the decision to keep it in lower loft purely on numbers attending but never factoring in the hugely detrimental effect it's had on the atmosphere, which is of course what always gave LR a big advantage against opposing teams - an advantage we have now lost. |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 28, 2021 14:19:19 GMT
Wiki: Record attendance 35,353 including standing (Queens Park Rangers v. Leeds United, 27 April 1974); 19,002 all-seated (Queens Park Rangers v. Manchester City, 6 November 1999) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loftus_RoadAh cheers mate. Thinking about it the sixties game sticks in my mind because the floodlights went down to half power, you could hardly see across the pitch and Leeds scored - then they went back up again. Typical. Needed every point that season😁 |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 28, 2021 14:23:13 GMT
Someone will correct me I’m sure but I think we’ve only had 30k in here once in nearly 60 years. Leeds Utd. back in 68/69. Given all our local rivals have grown since then and we were in a period of high popularity - and you could get in for about 15/20p equivalent - I can’t see us suddenly become the Man U of W London. not sure that point stands up as you can’t get 30k in a stadium which now holds 18k. Comparison is now how many times have we sold out current capacity. I would say when it counts and it’s a big game we do My point is I don’t want to play in a half empty stadium. 30k is too big and it doesn’t matter how many we took to Wembley they’re not turning out on a wet Tuesday night. Stan’s modular answer is spot on. |
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Post by West Acton on May 28, 2021 15:10:01 GMT
not sure that point stands up as you can’t get 30k in a stadium which now holds 18k. Comparison is now how many times have we sold out current capacity. I would say when it counts and it’s a big game we do My point is I don’t want to play in a half empty stadium. 30k is too big and it doesn’t matter how many we took to Wembley they’re not turning out on a wet Tuesday night. Stan’s modular answer is spot on. Im guessing they’re not turning up as we’ve not been that great. Play well and fans will attend wet Tuesday or sunny Saturday Do you think we would have had near on sell outs from feb onwards towards ends of last season given results or empty house?? Fans of every club are fickle. If your are shit they stay at home if you are doing ok they want a bit of the history and excitement |
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Post by West Acton on May 28, 2021 15:11:22 GMT
Wiki: Record attendance 35,353 including standing (Queens Park Rangers v. Leeds United, 27 April 1974); 19,002 all-seated (Queens Park Rangers v. Manchester City, 6 November 1999) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loftus_RoadThinking about it the sixties game sticks in my mind because the floodlights went down to half power, you could hardly see across the pitch During the war uncle Alan |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 28, 2021 15:34:39 GMT
Im guessing they’re not turning up as we’ve not been that great. Play well and fans will attend wet Tuesday or sunny Saturday Do you think we would have had near on sell outs from feb onwards towards ends of last season given results or empty house?? Fans of every club are fickle. If your are shit they stay at home if you are doing ok they want a bit of the history and excitement Exactly the point Hoos has made. For the mistakes he's made (highlighted above), he is absolutely right on that score. |
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Post by rscot on May 28, 2021 16:00:29 GMT
I think some thinking “outside the box” is needed to try and appeal to the younger generation and get a few more “bums in seats”. How about a name change to “Queens Park Posse”, just putting it out there.
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Post by rscot on May 28, 2021 16:04:50 GMT
W12 ? Simple, catchy
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 28, 2021 18:19:43 GMT
Milk cup debacle we had like 70plus thousand. And what a treat it was for all whom saw.
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Post by hal9thou on May 28, 2021 19:10:08 GMT
My point is I don’t want to play in a half empty stadium. 30k is too big and it doesn’t matter how many we took to Wembley they’re not turning out on a wet Tuesday night. Stan’s modular answer is spot on. Im guessing they’re not turning up as we’ve not been that great. Play well and fans will attend wet Tuesday or sunny Saturday 100%. But being great and doing it on a shoestring is a pretty rare feat. It's that old thing again which keeps coming back on different threads: accumulation is impossible without investment. If you run the whole thing too lean we aint going anywhere and no one recoups. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 2, 2021 10:44:24 GMT
You can’t call days out at Wembley an indication of our potential support. That’s when all sorts of people are wheeled out for a treat and won’t come again until the next final. We haven’t got 30k who will turn up regularly, we might just get 25k for some bigger games.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 2, 2021 11:18:36 GMT
You can’t call days out at Wembley an indication of our potential support. That’s when all sorts of people are wheeled out for a treat and won’t come again until the next final. We haven’t got 30k who will turn up regularly, we might just get 25k for some bigger games. Fan bases can be grown though. Plenty of examples of that. Especially if you get promoted / have ON-pitch success / play attractive football. It's such an obvious point I'm surprised it needs making. I don’t mean to you personally but going by some of this thread’s narrative. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jun 2, 2021 11:20:42 GMT
Get in the PL and I'd seriously doubt we would have a half empty stadium as we'll attract enough tourists who will pay for a day out at a game in the "Best league in the World"
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 2, 2021 11:21:17 GMT
You can’t call days out at Wembley an indication of our potential support. That’s when all sorts of people are wheeled out for a treat and won’t come again until the next final. We haven’t got 30k who will turn up regularly, we might just get 25k for some bigger games. Fan bases can be grown though. Plenty of examples of that. Especially if you get promoted / have ON-pitch success / play attractive football. Agree, that’s why I like your idea. That said, we are likely to be a club that loses the floaters or glory hunters just as easily. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 2, 2021 11:27:00 GMT
Fan bases can be grown though. Plenty of examples of that. Especially if you get promoted / have ON-pitch success / play attractive football. That said, we are likely to be a club that loses the floaters or glory hunters just as easily. Much as I'd like to take credit for the modular stadium proposal, it's not mine. Credit where it's due - TF stated it at the time the club first announced we'd have to leave LF, however long ago that now was. You can give me kudos for remembering his words though  |
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