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Post by sparks on Mar 14, 2022 10:44:37 GMT
Jesus Christ the guy can’t win with you 😂🤣 you moan he says same thing. I evidence he actually held hands up and took blame and your response is it’s too late 😂🤣😂 you can’t apologise in advance mate or you would not make the mistake in first place I give up Lets see the team for Wednesday How about if MW starts by naming players that are highly likely to finish the game without the need for being substituted unless injured. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Mar 14, 2022 11:12:43 GMT
He said he got team selections wrong and Think recall he also said as team been below our best and panicking But he has picked the same shit team over and over and expected a different result. No coincidence that the two who have upset the teams balance were off the off the pitch when we scored the 2nd goal and then managed the game out. If he has learnt anything then it is to throw Chair and Hendrick as far away from the starting 11 as he can. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Mar 14, 2022 12:04:52 GMT
Chair has come in for some flak for his performances since his return from AFCON.
And Warbs for continuing to start him.
But maybe Illias needs those start and game time to get himself back to peak performance, build his confidence and match fitness (he played around 35 minutes in around a month at AFCON).
And there are hints that Willock is a bit crocked, making it more likely that Chair will start.
I'm happy to trust Warbs on that.
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Post by 1973ranger on Mar 14, 2022 12:08:27 GMT
Chair has come in for some flak for his performances since his return from AFCON. And Warbs for continuing to start him. But maybe Illias needs those start and game time to get himself back to peak performance, build his confidence and match fitness (he played around 35 minutes in around a month at AFCON). And there are hints that Willock is a bit crocked, making it more likely that Chair will start. I'm happy to trust Warbs on that. You do not risk a top 6 finish to give a one trick pony game time. Sorry no one is bigger than the team. He along with the pointless loanee Hendrick have upset a very balanced in form team. As for Willock being crocked did more in 20 minutes than Chair has in 4 games. |
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Post by spongeparr on Mar 14, 2022 13:30:25 GMT
Thought chair was very good again Blackpool and good against Cardiff. However, he has been lacking more often than not though I think the lack of Amos energy has also conincided with our downturn in form.
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Post by Rangers77 on Mar 14, 2022 13:47:16 GMT
Jesus Christ the guy can’t win with you 😂🤣 you moan he says same thing. I evidence he actually held hands up and took blame and your response is it’s too late 😂🤣😂 you can’t apologise in advance mate or you would not make the mistake in first place I give up Lets see the team for Wednesday I don't wanna see Hendricks or Chair. |
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Post by Tarbie on Mar 14, 2022 13:50:30 GMT
Quite obvious to everyone watching that those 2 in the midfield are a huge part of our current struggles. It'll be interesting to see if the Manager agrees with his next few team selections.
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Post by Shania on Mar 14, 2022 14:36:24 GMT
Why not start WITH Chair on the bench? If he aims for the top, he has to take on a challenge or two to get there. However, I`m not sure we can bench him now that Willock is partly injured, but George Thomas could probably do a job in pair with Amos.
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Post by Corbray on Mar 14, 2022 14:59:01 GMT
Quite obvious to everyone watching that those 2 in the midfield are a huge part of our current struggles. It'll be interesting to see if the Manager agrees with his next few team selections. i agree but its a difficult choice imo. field hasn't put a foot wrong and is a good holding midfielder, he does everything dom ball does but better. stef hasn't been up to par, hendrick is straight up CURSED, dozzel doesn't impact games and an amos and field pairing just doesn't seem to work. |
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Post by West Acton on Mar 14, 2022 16:20:34 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Mar 14, 2022 16:36:42 GMT
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Post by Bill on Mar 14, 2022 17:00:56 GMT
We got out of jail yesterday
Whatever MW says is hypothetical as he sees a different game to most on here.
Yes we were better 2nd half but could of 3 down at the break
Chair has and is the problem,for all his skill he is lightweght and in games that are physical he disappears.
Hendrick getting a lot of stick,but he does not hide and is often trying to make up for Chair in these games that are battles.
For me performance over 90 ok,result very fortunate but a win is a win.
I dont think Willock is injured maybe tired and as for Dykes well has anyone got any info on this?
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 14, 2022 21:19:15 GMT
Amazing some of the insults being levelled at Chair when fans were drooling over him earlier in the season. Short memories.
Amazing also that some fans clearly know better than the manager - eg if Willock is crooked and only able to play limited minutes, and Warbs doesn't play Chair, who else is going to provide any creative spark? Hendrix? Stef? Field? Ball? Maybe, just maybe, the manager is aware of things we aren't like injuries and off field issues. Everyone was complaining first half against Luton but we would have looked even more workmanlike without Chair. Sure, he is not nearly at his best but has scored more goals than Willock since returning from AFCON. When he dinked past their defenders and crossed on about 40 mins into a dangerous area if Gray had tucked that away the commentators would have been lauding Chair again. Indeed, Willock's lost of form has been at least as noticeable to me lately (tho he looked decent when he came on against Luton tbf). Some players are fans favourites (Willock, Dunne, Field, even Marshall) and can do no wrong. Others can do no right. Moses was clearly better than Dunne against Luton IMHO as Dunne was torn a new one first half by their centre forward - but of course Dunne is voted MotM. I would seriously question whether that can be on his performance in that actual match.
Am not knocking him or Willock BTW - been a fan from the off and was frustrated it took so long for Chris to break into the side regularly. But the knee-jerk bias for and against certain players is so marked. On Sunday I even saw a few posts blaming our downturn on Dieng who has hardly played, when it has been Marhsall making the howlers!
But blaming Marshall wouldn't fit the tired old narrative that we were like Real Madrid during AFCON but due to those evil AFCON players we are are now worse than Vauxhall Motors, Warbs should be sacked and Chair and Dieng never allowed back in the side. Its pure emotion this attitude, with no logic. Instead maybe we should get behind the 11 players Warbs does pick, and when he makes substitutions that change games, give him credit. If Willock isn't match fit he might have been kicked out of the game if he had started but he came on late when they were no longer pressing and there was a lot more space. Just one factor, am sure there are others. But the number of matches we have recovered might suggest that Warbs is a little less clueless than some armchair experts make out.
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Post by Bill on Mar 14, 2022 21:26:54 GMT
Amazing some of the insults being levelled at Chair when fans were drooling over him earlier in the season. Short memories. Amazing also that some fans clearly know better than the manager - eg if Willock is crooked and only able to play limited minutes, and Warbs doesn't play Chair, who else is going to provide any creative spark? Hendrix? Stef? Field? Ball? Maybe, just maybe, the manager is aware of things we aren't like injuries and off field issues. Everyone was complaining first half against Luton but we would have looked even more workmanlike without Chair. Sure, he is not nearly at his best but has scored more goals than Willock since returning from AFCON. When he dinked past their defenders and crossed on about 40 mins into a dangerous area if Gray had tucked that away the commentators would have been lauding Chair again. Indeed, Willock's lost of form has been at least as noticeable to me lately (tho he looked decent when he came on against Luton tbf). Some players are fans favourites (Willock, Dunne, Field, even Marshall) and can do no wrong. Others can do no right. Moses was clearly better than Dunne against Luton IMHO as Dunne was torn a new one first half by their centre forward - but of course Dunne is voted MotM. I would seriously question whether that can be on his performance in that actual match. Am not knocking him or Willock BTW - been a fan from the off and was frustrated it took so long for Chris to break into the side regularly. But the knee-jerk bias for and against certain players is so marked. On Sunday I even saw a few posts blaming our downturn on Dieng who has hardly played, when it has been Marhsall making the howlers! But blaming Marshall wouldn't fit the tired old narrative that we were like Real Madrid during AFCON but due to those evil AFCON players we are are now worse than Vauxhall Motors, Warbs should be sacked and Chair and Dieng never allowed back in the side. Its pure emotion this attitude, with no logic. Instead maybe we should get behind the 11 players Warbs does pick, and when he makes substitutions that change games, give him credit. If Willock isn't match fit he might have been kicked out of the game if he had started but he came on late when they were no longer pressing and there was a lot more space. Just one factor, am sure there are others. But the number of matches we have recovered might suggest that Warbs is a little less clueless than some armchair experts make out. After that biblical message your point is what. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 14, 2022 21:35:37 GMT
Amazing some of the insults being levelled at Chair when fans were drooling over him earlier in the season. Short memories. Amazing also that some fans clearly know better than the manager - eg if Willock is crooked and only able to play limited minutes, and Warbs doesn't play Chair, who else is going to provide any creative spark? Hendrix? Stef? Field? Ball? Maybe, just maybe, the manager is aware of things we aren't like injuries and off field issues. Everyone was complaining first half against Luton but we would have looked even more workmanlike without Chair. Sure, he is not nearly at his best but has scored more goals than Willock since returning from AFCON. When he dinked past their defenders and crossed on about 40 mins into a dangerous area if Gray had tucked that away the commentators would have been lauding Chair again. Indeed, Willock's lost of form has been at least as noticeable to me lately (tho he looked decent when he came on against Luton tbf). Some players are fans favourites (Willock, Dunne, Field, even Marshall) and can do no wrong. Others can do no right. Moses was clearly better than Dunne against Luton IMHO as Dunne was torn a new one first half by their centre forward - but of course Dunne is voted MotM. I would seriously question whether that can be on his performance in that actual match. Am not knocking him or Willock BTW - been a fan from the off and was frustrated it took so long for Chris to break into the side regularly. But the knee-jerk bias for and against certain players is so marked. On Sunday I even saw a few posts blaming our downturn on Dieng who has hardly played, when it has been Marhsall making the howlers! But blaming Marshall wouldn't fit the tired old narrative that we were like Real Madrid during AFCON but due to those evil AFCON players we are are now worse than Vauxhall Motors, Warbs should be sacked and Chair and Dieng never allowed back in the side. Its pure emotion this attitude, with no logic. Instead maybe we should get behind the 11 players Warbs does pick, and when he makes substitutions that change games, give him credit. If Willock isn't match fit he might have been kicked out of the game if he had started but he came on late when they were no longer pressing and there was a lot more space. Just one factor, am sure there are others. But the number of matches we have recovered might suggest that Warbs is a little less clueless than some armchair experts make out. After that biblical message your point is what. You moan too much and you are a heathen |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Mar 14, 2022 21:38:30 GMT
Amazing some of the insults being levelled at Chair when fans were drooling over him earlier in the season. Short memories. Amazing also that some fans clearly know better than the manager - eg if Willock is crooked and only able to play limited minutes, and Warbs doesn't play Chair, who else is going to provide any creative spark? Hendrix? Stef? Field? Ball? Maybe, just maybe, the manager is aware of things we aren't like injuries and off field issues. Everyone was complaining first half against Luton but we would have looked even more workmanlike without Chair. Sure, he is not nearly at his best but has scored more goals than Willock since returning from AFCON. When he dinked past their defenders and crossed on about 40 mins into a dangerous area if Gray had tucked that away the commentators would have been lauding Chair again. Indeed, Willock's lost of form has been at least as noticeable to me lately (tho he looked decent when he came on against Luton tbf). Some players are fans favourites (Willock, Dunne, Field, even Marshall) and can do no wrong. Others can do no right. Moses was clearly better than Dunne against Luton IMHO as Dunne was torn a new one first half by their centre forward - but of course Dunne is voted MotM. I would seriously question whether that can be on his performance in that actual match. Am not knocking him or Willock BTW - been a fan from the off and was frustrated it took so long for Chris to break into the side regularly. But the knee-jerk bias for and against certain players is so marked. On Sunday I even saw a few posts blaming our downturn on Dieng who has hardly played, when it has been Marhsall making the howlers! But blaming Marshall wouldn't fit the tired old narrative that we were like Real Madrid during AFCON but due to those evil AFCON players we are are now worse than Vauxhall Motors, Warbs should be sacked and Chair and Dieng never allowed back in the side. Its pure emotion this attitude, with no logic. Instead maybe we should get behind the 11 players Warbs does pick, and when he makes substitutions that change games, give him credit. If Willock isn't match fit he might have been kicked out of the game if he had started but he came on late when they were no longer pressing and there was a lot more space. Just one factor, am sure there are others. But the number of matches we have recovered might suggest that Warbs is a little less clueless than some armchair experts make out. After that biblical message your point is what. One of the points is that Warburton might actually know a bit more about what’s going on at the club in relation to players fitness, mindset etc than some of our fans do. Or even, as outlandish as it may seem, he’s also a better manager than some of our fans. |
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Post by Bill on Mar 14, 2022 22:56:56 GMT
After that biblical message your point is what. You moan too much and you are a heathen Oh dear,so he actually wins a game and all is forgiven. So 4 points out of 16 is fine by you. Dont like it dont read it simple. Resorting to name calling vety sad but i can forgive you as you from Kent. You |
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Post by Bill on Mar 14, 2022 23:09:09 GMT
After that biblical message your point is what. One of the points is that Warburton might actually know a bit more about what’s going on at the club in relation to players fitness, mindset etc than some of our fans do. Or even, as outlandish as it may seem, he’s also a better manager than some of our fans. Done really well last 6 games !! He doesnt even know where Dykes is. "Its the fans that matter" during covid but not now "we are fickle" Constructive criticism is what boards are about but often mistaken for moaning. Sadly some on here dont like posts about how its been during Feb. Fucking dismal but we dont need a sttiker. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 14, 2022 23:29:11 GMT
Yet another example of the fans not getting behind the 11 players Warburton picks. Stainrod please note. |
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Post by Bill on Mar 14, 2022 23:37:03 GMT
Amazing some of the insults being levelled at Chair when fans were drooling over him earlier in the season. Short memories. Amazing also that some fans clearly know better than the manager - eg if Willock is crooked and only able to play limited minutes, and Warbs doesn't play Chair, who else is going to provide any creative spark? Hendrix? Stef? Field? Ball? Maybe, just maybe, the manager is aware of things we aren't like injuries and off field issues. Everyone was complaining first half against Luton but we would have looked even more workmanlike without Chair. Sure, he is not nearly at his best but has scored more goals than Willock since returning from AFCON. When he dinked past their defenders and crossed on about 40 mins into a dangerous area if Gray had tucked that away the commentators would have been lauding Chair again. Indeed, Willock's lost of form has been at least as noticeable to me lately (tho he looked decent when he came on against Luton tbf). Some players are fans favourites (Willock, Dunne, Field, even Marshall) and can do no wrong. Others can do no right. Moses was clearly better than Dunne against Luton IMHO as Dunne was torn a new one first half by their centre forward - but of course Dunne is voted MotM. I would seriously question whether that can be on his performance in that actual match. Am not knocking him or Willock BTW - been a fan from the off and was frustrated it took so long for Chris to break into the side regularly. But the knee-jerk bias for and against certain players is so marked. On Sunday I even saw a few posts blaming our downturn on Dieng who has hardly played, when it has been Marhsall making the howlers! But blaming Marshall wouldn't fit the tired old narrative that we were like Real Madrid during AFCON but due to those evil AFCON players we are are now worse than Vauxhall Motors, Warbs should be sacked and Chair and Dieng never allowed back in the side. Its pure emotion this attitude, with no logic. Instead maybe we should get behind the 11 players Warbs does pick, and when he makes substitutions that change games, give him credit. If Willock isn't match fit he might have been kicked out of the game if he had started but he came on late when they were no longer pressing and there was a lot more space. Just one factor, am sure there are others. But the number of matches we have recovered might suggest that Warbs is a little less clueless than some armchair experts make out. Stop moaning its boring |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 15, 2022 0:35:44 GMT
You moan too much and you are a heathen Oh dear,so he actually wins a game and all is forgiven. So 4 points out of 16 is fine by you. Dont like it dont read it simple. Resorting to name calling vety sad but i can forgive you as you from Kent. You Was not meant seriously Bill, sorry if I offended you. Am not saying our form is fine btw. We were on a bad run, like most of our rivals. But we have had worse runs in recent years - didn't Holloway have two runs of seven defeats? Something like that. I look at the record overall. Part of the problem with the Briatore approach is to get cross because you lose a handful of games, sack the manager and expect the next guy to do better. Honestly baffles me (and I say this respectfully) that we are even having this conversation when we are 4th in the table - the result of 36 games. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Mar 15, 2022 5:06:38 GMT
Amazing some of the insults being levelled at Chair when fans were drooling over him earlier in the season. Short memories. Amazing also that some fans clearly know better than the manager - eg if Willock is crooked and only able to play limited minutes, and Warbs doesn't play Chair, who else is going to provide any creative spark? Hendrix? Stef? Field? Ball? Maybe, just maybe, the manager is aware of things we aren't like injuries and off field issues. Everyone was complaining first half against Luton but we would have looked even more workmanlike without Chair. Sure, he is not nearly at his best but has scored more goals than Willock since returning from AFCON. When he dinked past their defenders and crossed on about 40 mins into a dangerous area if Gray had tucked that away the commentators would have been lauding Chair again. Indeed, Willock's lost of form has been at least as noticeable to me lately (tho he looked decent when he came on against Luton tbf). Some players are fans favourites (Willock, Dunne, Field, even Marshall) and can do no wrong. Others can do no right. Moses was clearly better than Dunne against Luton IMHO as Dunne was torn a new one first half by their centre forward - but of course Dunne is voted MotM. I would seriously question whether that can be on his performance in that actual match. Am not knocking him or Willock BTW - been a fan from the off and was frustrated it took so long for Chris to break into the side regularly. But the knee-jerk bias for and against certain players is so marked. On Sunday I even saw a few posts blaming our downturn on Dieng who has hardly played, when it has been Marhsall making the howlers! But blaming Marshall wouldn't fit the tired old narrative that we were like Real Madrid during AFCON but due to those evil AFCON players we are are now worse than Vauxhall Motors, Warbs should be sacked and Chair and Dieng never allowed back in the side. Its pure emotion this attitude, with no logic. Instead maybe we should get behind the 11 players Warbs does pick, and when he makes substitutions that change games, give him credit. If Willock isn't match fit he might have been kicked out of the game if he had started but he came on late when they were no longer pressing and there was a lot more space. Just one factor, am sure there are others. But the number of matches we have recovered might suggest that Warbs is a little less clueless than some armchair experts make out. You mention no logic? The logic for giving Chair and Hendrick the flak they both deserve is based on team results and performances since they were put in the side at the end of January. If someone does wellthen credit to them and if they are shite then criticism rightly comes their way. |
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Post by Bill on Mar 15, 2022 6:34:16 GMT
Oh dear,so he actually wins a game and all is forgiven. So 4 points out of 16 is fine by you. Dont like it dont read it simple. Resorting to name calling vety sad but i can forgive you as you from Kent. You Was not meant seriously Bill, sorry if I offended you. Am not saying our form is fine btw. We were on a bad run, like most of our rivals. But we have had worse runs in recent years - didn't Holloway have two runs of seven defeats? Something like that. I look at the record overall. Part of the problem with the Briatore approach is to get cross because you lose a handful of games, sack the manager and expect the next guy to do better. Honestly baffles me (and I say this respectfully) that we are even having this conversation when we are 4th in the table - the result of 36 games. Could of,would of,should of,been so much better. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Mar 15, 2022 7:15:49 GMT
One of the points is that Warburton might actually know a bit more about what’s going on at the club in relation to players fitness, mindset etc than some of our fans do. Or even, as outlandish as it may seem, he’s also a better manager than some of our fans. Done really well last 6 games !! He doesnt even know where Dykes is. "Its the fans that matter" during covid but not now "we are fickle" Constructive criticism is what boards are about but often mistaken for moaning. Sadly some on here dont like posts about how its been during Feb. Fucking dismal but we dont need a sttiker. The vast majority of fans are fickle Bill. It’s not an insult, just a statement of fact. |
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Post by Shania on Mar 15, 2022 11:05:10 GMT
Amazing some of the insults being levelled at Chair when fans were drooling over him earlier in the season. Short memories. Amazing also that some fans clearly know better than the manager - eg if Willock is crooked and only able to play limited minutes, and Warbs doesn't play Chair, who else is going to provide any creative spark? Hendrix? Stef? Field? Ball? Maybe, just maybe, the manager is aware of things we aren't like injuries and off field issues. Everyone was complaining first half against Luton but we would have looked even more workmanlike without Chair. Sure, he is not nearly at his best but has scored more goals than Willock since returning from AFCON. When he dinked past their defenders and crossed on about 40 mins into a dangerous area if Gray had tucked that away the commentators would have been lauding Chair again. Indeed, Willock's lost of form has been at least as noticeable to me lately (tho he looked decent when he came on against Luton tbf). Some players are fans favourites (Willock, Dunne, Field, even Marshall) and can do no wrong. Others can do no right. Moses was clearly better than Dunne against Luton IMHO as Dunne was torn a new one first half by their centre forward - but of course Dunne is voted MotM. I would seriously question whether that can be on his performance in that actual match. Am not knocking him or Willock BTW - been a fan from the off and was frustrated it took so long for Chris to break into the side regularly. But the knee-jerk bias for and against certain players is so marked. On Sunday I even saw a few posts blaming our downturn on Dieng who has hardly played, when it has been Marhsall making the howlers! But blaming Marshall wouldn't fit the tired old narrative that we were like Real Madrid during AFCON but due to those evil AFCON players we are are now worse than Vauxhall Motors, Warbs should be sacked and Chair and Dieng never allowed back in the side. Its pure emotion this attitude, with no logic. Instead maybe we should get behind the 11 players Warbs does pick, and when he makes substitutions that change games, give him credit. If Willock isn't match fit he might have been kicked out of the game if he had started but he came on late when they were no longer pressing and there was a lot more space. Just one factor, am sure there are others. But the number of matches we have recovered might suggest that Warbs is a little less clueless than some armchair experts make out. Some fans? I haven`t seen any... But that is only my opinion. |
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Post by Bill on Mar 15, 2022 18:52:12 GMT
Done really well last 6 games !! He doesnt even know where Dykes is. "Its the fans that matter" during covid but not now "we are fickle" Constructive criticism is what boards are about but often mistaken for moaning. Sadly some on here dont like posts about how its been during Feb. Fucking dismal but we dont need a sttiker. The vast majority of fans are fickle Bill. It’s not an insult, just a statement of fact. Not for me to come out and say that after our current dismal run is remarkable. If you do well you accept all the accolades going. However if you are on a very poor run best to bite your tongue |
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Post by acricketer on Mar 16, 2022 15:42:14 GMT
Chair has come in for some flak for his performances since his return from AFCON. And Warbs for continuing to start him. But maybe Illias needs those start and game time to get himself back to peak performance, build his confidence and match fitness (he played around 35 minutes in around a month at AFCON). And there are hints that Willock is a bit crocked, making it more likely that Chair will start. I'm happy to trust Warbs on that. He's played 9 games now after returning. How many does he need? |
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Post by 2Loftus on Mar 16, 2022 16:05:22 GMT
Chair has come in for some flak for his performances since his return from AFCON. And Warbs for continuing to start him. But maybe Illias needs those start and game time to get himself back to peak performance, build his confidence and match fitness (he played around 35 minutes in around a month at AFCON). And there are hints that Willock is a bit crocked, making it more likely that Chair will start. I'm happy to trust Warbs on that. Blimey, time goes fast - hadn't realised he'd played that many since AFCON. So, yes, fair comment... |
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