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Post by Bill on Jan 9, 2024 19:08:54 GMT
Why are we having this utter bollocks brought up at a really crucial time in our history.
Sorry there is no argument to be had end of.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 19:13:16 GMT
Not quite but I'd rather have us playing in the Combined Counties League with our soul in tact than in the Premier League without... Well at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious that's your right to think that. Not sure how "pure" any level of football is if you dig into it tho. You romanticise the Gregory era but I imagine (before my time so would need confirmation from others) Chairman Jim was probably seen as a bit of a billy big bollocks coming in and trying to turn us from a third tier club into a first division one. We spent some pretty big fees for the time under Chairman Jim (think of the spending spree he sanctioned for Terry). But even if that weren't the case football has moved on - very hard to imagine a local businessman who owned a chain of launderettes (?) could now come in and buy a football club. I think all of us now feel a bit dirty about how Tony threw money around on parasitic footballers who didn't care (and even dirtier because we cheered him on while he did it), but surely there is a happy balance - ie a very rich, very competent owner who builds the club up gradually. The money TV spent was all raised via sales and prize money... Look at the fees we got for sales and how much we earnt for reaching the FA Cup Final and winning Division 2. As for Gregory, even though Bill and I disagree about how significant the purchase of Marsh for £22k was as an outlay, every significant purchase from that moment until the rich boys arrived was funded by sales and/or prize money. Even Ray getting £5.4m to spend in 1995 was all because of Les going for £6m. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 19:14:38 GMT
Why are we having this utter bollocks brought up at a really crucial time in our history. Sorry there is no argument to be had end of. Because we can't solve the current issues tonight so it's either talk about a whole array of things or watch Eastenders... |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 9, 2024 19:15:10 GMT
Well at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious that's your right to think that. Not sure how "pure" any level of football is if you dig into it tho. You romanticise the Gregory era but I imagine (before my time so would need confirmation from others) Chairman Jim was probably seen as a bit of a billy big bollocks coming in and trying to turn us from a third tier club into a first division one. We spent some pretty big fees for the time under Chairman Jim (think of the spending spree he sanctioned for Terry). But even if that weren't the case football has moved on - very hard to imagine a local businessman who owned a chain of launderettes (?) could now come in and buy a football club. I think all of us now feel a bit dirty about how Tony threw money around on parasitic footballers who didn't care (and even dirtier because we cheered him on while he did it), but surely there is a happy balance - ie a very rich, very competent owner who builds the club up gradually. The money TV spent was all raised via sales and prize money... Look at the fees we got for sales and how much we earnt for reaching the FA Cup Final and winning Division 2. As for Gregory, even though Bill and I disagree about how significant the purchase of Marsh for £22k was as an outlay, every significant purchase from that moment until the rich boys arrived was funded by sales and/or prize money. Even Ray getting £5.4m to spend in 1995 was all because of Les going for £6m. But all that was pre Sky which produced an inflationary explosion in transfer fees and wages - no way could even the Sainted Jim have done that today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 19:17:32 GMT
The money TV spent was all raised via sales and prize money... Look at the fees we got for sales and how much we earnt for reaching the FA Cup Final and winning Division 2. As for Gregory, even though Bill and I disagree about how significant the purchase of Marsh for £22k was as an outlay, every significant purchase from that moment until the rich boys arrived was funded by sales and/or prize money. Even Ray getting £5.4m to spend in 1995 was all because of Les going for £6m. But all that was pre Sky which produced an inflationary explosion in transfer fees and wages - no way could even the Sainted Jim have done that today. Agree, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with the way football is going or be happy if we play by the new rules... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 19:20:51 GMT
Keep up Alan.... Throughout this thread and on others I have said that I think we bought 'success' in 2010/11 and that is at odds with the QPR way.... Now, if you didn't care how we acquired that 'success' I'm honestly happy for you and hope you have some great memories from those days to make you smile to the day you leave us, but QPR had a proud tradition of being the complete opposite to a chequebook club and although our trophy cabinet is emptier than Jordan's brain I quite like that if it meant we've done things the right way 👍 If you employ a decent football man as manager and that manager brings in some honest pros who he then gets to play above expectations and improves what we already had that’s not the same as Jack Walker buying success for Blackburn. That same manager also got the best out of a hugely talented nutcase and no one had done that before, or since, with him. If you are telling the truth about boycotting those games you’re no Rangers’ fan, you’re a fool. I did boycott as it wasn't how I want QPR to be run. As I would.have boycotted Blackburn when Walker bought 'success' or Man City as they have. I wasn't mocking Fulham for al Fayed out of envy but because he killed a cherished club and I would never accept that at QPR... That doesn't make me a fool but consistent with my morals. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 9, 2024 19:40:08 GMT
I'm beginning to form the opinion that Oldr is a contrarian......
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Post by systemsguy on Jan 9, 2024 19:43:56 GMT
The QPR way.... Love it
Would I trade 2011 and / or 2014?
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Post by 2Loftus on Jan 9, 2024 19:43:58 GMT
Rodney Marsh cost £6k... every significant transfer from that moment until the rich boys arrived was funded by prize money and/or the proceeds from selling players... Defend the rich boys if you want, but don't talk bollocks about the past 👍 He actually cost £21000 from Fulham. Times change and without Rodders 44 goals 66/67 its debatable whether we would have had the success we had back then. 10/11 we had Warnock a good manager but more than that he knew how to get the best out of Adel and in Clint and Sean he had two warriors to run the show. In a nutshell he knew how to build a team and get the best out of that team. Frankly your talking bollocks....and not for the first time  |
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Post by The General on Jan 9, 2024 19:44:31 GMT
Are we signing anyone hello board are you there ?
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Post by The General on Jan 9, 2024 19:45:05 GMT
If not going through the trap door
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 9, 2024 19:48:44 GMT
Are we signing anyone hello board are you there ?Hal was chatting with Richard Reilly at the last fans forum and he took a note of our site, so hopefully so Gens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 19:51:17 GMT
I'm beginning to form the opinion that Oldr is a contrarian...... Not really.... I have opinions you may like, disagree with or find infuriating but I'm not going to post something I don't believe in... One thing I love about this site is that there isn't a clique and a unwritten list of accepted views 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 19:51:52 GMT
The QPR way.... Love it Would I trade 2011 and / or 2014? Not a chance.... Best footballing days ever as a QPR fan for me.... Cool, glad you've got some great memories 👍 |
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Post by The General on Jan 9, 2024 20:31:36 GMT
Are we signing anyone hello board are you there ?Hal was chatting with Richard Reilly at the last fans forum and he took a note of our site, so hopefully so Gens. Let’s hope so buddy starting to lose my mind We are in a very difficult position atm |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 9, 2024 21:20:30 GMT
I'm beginning to form the opinion that Oldr is a contrarian...... Not really.... I have opinions you may like, disagree with or find infuriating but I'm not going to post something I don't believe in... One thing I love about this site is that there isn't a clique and a unwritten list of accepted views 👍 Opinions are like arseholes and all that 👍 I just think you're mental 🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 21:52:41 GMT
Not really.... I have opinions you may like, disagree with or find infuriating but I'm not going to post something I don't believe in... One thing I love about this site is that there isn't a clique and a unwritten list of accepted views 👍 Opinions are like arseholes and all that 👍 I just think you're mental 🤣 You and my wife 😬 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 9, 2024 22:28:05 GMT
One thing I love about this site is that there isn't a clique and a unwritten list of accepted views 👍 Opinions are like arseholes and all that 👍 Life's rich pageant! 😎 "Other opinions are available" - OldR 😀 |
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Post by Shania on Jan 10, 2024 11:17:34 GMT
A thought from me: Shouldn`t every QPR Board turn every stone to find out what we did so well leading up to our success in 67 and 75/76? The mistakes also obviously.
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Post by Corbray on Jan 10, 2024 11:24:26 GMT
A thought from me: Shouldn`t every QPR Board turn every stone to find out what we did so well leading up to our success in 67 and 75/76? The mistakes also obviously. different time, good leadership, wise appointments, good scouts and a bit of good fortune sprinkled over it all. personally i think we should be looking at brentford and smaller clubs both in england and abroad to base our club off. bodo/glimt in norway are always a prime example as they've largely dominated norway for years and came pretty much out of the blue. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Jan 10, 2024 11:34:53 GMT
Not really.... I have opinions you may like, disagree with or find infuriating but I'm not going to post something I don't believe in... One thing I love about this site is that there isn't a clique and a unwritten list of accepted views 👍 Opinions are like arseholes and all that 👍 I just think you're mental 🤣...which is in danger of becoming an unwritten accepted view on this forum. |
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Post by sparks on Jan 10, 2024 11:36:59 GMT
A thought from me: Shouldn`t every QPR Board turn every stone to find out what we did so well leading up to our success in 67 and 75/76? The mistakes also obviously. different time, good leadership, wise appointments, good scouts and a bit of good fortune sprinkled over it all. personally i think we should be looking at brentford and smaller clubs both in england and abroad to base our club off. bodo/glimt in norway are always a prime example as they've largely dominated norway for years and came pretty much out of the blue. I would include Blackburn Rovers is a club that the owners should be looking at as another possible role model. Their owners initially made some really poor decisions but now look like a club on a steady upwards trend but with an excellent record of producing young players. A fifteen yr old made his first team debut recently which broke all previous records. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 10, 2024 12:09:06 GMT
A thought from me: Shouldn`t every QPR Board turn every stone to find out what we did so well leading up to our success in 67 and 75/76? The mistakes also obviously. different time, good leadership, wise appointments, good scouts and a bit of good fortune sprinkled over it all. personally i think we should be looking at brentford and smaller clubs both in england and abroad to base our club off. bodo/glimt in norway are always a prime example as they've largely dominated norway for years and came pretty much out of the blue.That`s true.  |
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Post by systemsguy on Jan 10, 2024 13:25:53 GMT
A thought from me: Shouldn`t every QPR Board turn every stone to find out what we did so well leading up to our success in 67 and 75/76? The mistakes also obviously. Sadly that was a completely different era where the old first division was a level playing field and the likes of us and others could compete for players with the so called big clubs.. The money involved in football now is obscene and we will likely never climb back to the top table without some #sportwashing cash from the middle east... As oldr says I've got some good memories of 2011 and 2014 so it's cool... also 72/73 75/76 1982 1983 1986 etc I'll get my season ticket next year as usual... whatever the season as they say |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 13:33:11 GMT
A thought from me: Shouldn`t every QPR Board turn every stone to find out what we did so well leading up to our success in 67 and 75/76? The mistakes also obviously. Sadly that was a completely different era where the old first division was a level playing field and the likes of us and others could compete for players with the so called big clubs.. The money involved in football now is obscene and we will likely never climb back to the top table without some #sportwashing cash from the middle east... As oldr says I've got some good memories of 2011 and 2014 so it's cool... also 72/73 75/76 1982 1983 1986 etc I'll get my season ticket next year as usual... whatever the season as they say Great to see some love for '86. I know it's a running joke about the final being cancelled but that has left itself to a collective forgetfulness about how great that cup run was. In fact, when you consider the teams we beat to get to Wembley, it's arguably our greatest ever cup run. Even though we lost to Oxford a quick glance at their team tells you that we overlooked them - amd continue to do so - as they were a fantastic side with some wonderful players. We had a 40th anniversary for '82 which was by far a less impressive run to the final, I'd like to see us be adult about '86 and celebrate that team in 2026. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 10, 2024 14:03:11 GMT
A thought from me: Shouldn`t every QPR Board turn every stone to find out what we did so well leading up to our success in 67 and 75/76? The mistakes also obviously. Sadly that was a completely different era where the old first division was a level playing field and the likes of us and others could compete for players with the so called big clubs.. The money involved in football now is obscene and we will likely never climb back to the top table without some #sportwashing cash from the middle east... As oldr says I've got some good memories of 2011 and 2014 so it's cool... also 72/73 75/76 1982 1983 1986 etc I'll get my season ticket next year as usual... whatever the season as they say Yes, I know - but some of the tricks used back then must be possible to repeat, don`t you think? We weren't a particularly rich club to begin with. Jim Gregory, the club owner, wasn`t very rich was he? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 14:15:39 GMT
Sadly that was a completely different era where the old first division was a level playing field and the likes of us and others could compete for players with the so called big clubs.. The money involved in football now is obscene and we will likely never climb back to the top table without some #sportwashing cash from the middle east... As oldr says I've got some good memories of 2011 and 2014 so it's cool... also 72/73 75/76 1982 1983 1986 etc I'll get my season ticket next year as usual... whatever the season as they say Yes, I know - but some of the tricks used back then must be possible to repeat, don`t you think? We weren't a particularly rich club to begin with. Jim Gregory, the club owner, wasn`t very rich was he? It could take 25 years to get us back to where we were in the 70s/80s/90s by doing it the right way. I can see why so many wouldn't have the patience for such a long term project but it's a straight choice between keeping the soul of the club alive or becoming a rich man's plaything and losing everything we once stood for. |
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Post by systemsguy on Jan 10, 2024 14:17:15 GMT
Sadly that was a completely different era where the old first division was a level playing field and the likes of us and others could compete for players with the so called big clubs.. The money involved in football now is obscene and we will likely never climb back to the top table without some #sportwashing cash from the middle east... As oldr says I've got some good memories of 2011 and 2014 so it's cool... also 72/73 75/76 1982 1983 1986 etc I'll get my season ticket next year as usual... whatever the season as they say Yes, I know - but some of the tricks used back then must be possible to repeat, don`t you think? We weren't a particularly rich club to begin with. Jim Gregory, the club owner, wasn`t very rich was he? Think he was fairly rich as he was a very good business man... His sons apparently hated QPR as they think they would have been a lot richer without us, he really did build the sh1thole we currently sit in He also was good at turning over a profit on transfers (Goddard and Allen for instance)... |
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Post by systemsguy on Jan 10, 2024 14:25:10 GMT
Sadly that was a completely different era where the old first division was a level playing field and the likes of us and others could compete for players with the so called big clubs.. The money involved in football now is obscene and we will likely never climb back to the top table without some #sportwashing cash from the middle east... As oldr says I've got some good memories of 2011 and 2014 so it's cool... also 72/73 75/76 1982 1983 1986 etc I'll get my season ticket next year as usual... whatever the season as they say Great to see some love for '86. I know it's a running joke about the final being cancelled but that has left itself to a collective forgetfulness about how great that cup run was. In fact, when you consider the teams we beat to get to Wembley, it's arguably our greatest ever cup run. Even though we lost to Oxford a quick glance at their team tells you that we overlooked them - amd continue to do so - as they were a fantastic side with some wonderful players. We had a 40th anniversary for '82 which was by far a less impressive run to the final, I'd like to see us be adult about '86 and celebrate that team in 2026. How much would Gary Bannister and John Byrne cost us now? #strikers |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 14:27:22 GMT
Yes, I know - but some of the tricks used back then must be possible to repeat, don`t you think? We weren't a particularly rich club to begin with. Jim Gregory, the club owner, wasn`t very rich was he? Think he was fairly rich as he was a very good business man... His sons apparently hated QPR as they think they would have been a lot richer without us, he really did build the sh1thole we currently sit in He also was good at turning over a profit on transfers (Goddard and Allen for instance)... It definitely is the ground which Gregory built and its now almost impossible to understand how modern it was back in 1982 when the whole thing was completed. And as you say, his approach to transfers was the foundation the club was built on throughout his reign and through to the end of the Thompson era. Neither Gregory or Thompson really get the credit they deserve for how good they were especially the latter and, in hindsight, I am willing to put my hands up and admit that my role in the Thompson Out protests from distribution of leaflets and stickers to being one of the first on the pitch against Leeds was misguided. |
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