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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 14:44:21 GMT
Great to see some love for '86. I know it's a running joke about the final being cancelled but that has left itself to a collective forgetfulness about how great that cup run was. In fact, when you consider the teams we beat to get to Wembley, it's arguably our greatest ever cup run. Even though we lost to Oxford a quick glance at their team tells you that we overlooked them - amd continue to do so - as they were a fantastic side with some wonderful players. We had a 40th anniversary for '82 which was by far a less impressive run to the final, I'd like to see us be adult about '86 and celebrate that team in 2026. How much would Gary Bannister and John Byrne cost us now? #strikers 2 Phenomenal players and testament to the transfer policy we had in place working. With Byrne, I would love to know if he was on our RADAR or was it really the game up there which brought him to our attention... If the latter that really does sum up the mindset of the club at the time. |
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Post by coneysboots on Jan 10, 2024 15:05:33 GMT
I remember us playing at home to Oldham back in the 80's, and we beat them 2-0. Simon Stainrod was fantastic for them, and we signed him after the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 15:20:55 GMT
I remember us playing at home to Oldham back in the 80's, and we beat them 2-0. Simon Stainrod was fantastic for them, and we signed him after the game. Signed with money generated by the Allen to Arsenal transfer 👍 |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 10, 2024 15:25:12 GMT
Stainrod was more moody and miserable than bill, unbelievable I know
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 15:26:50 GMT
Stainrod was more moody and miserable than bill, unbelievable I know 😁 I met him once when on holiday in Butlins Ayr, he wasn't staying there, and he was OK but I've heard some stories about him 😁 |
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Post by systemsguy on Jan 10, 2024 15:28:21 GMT
Think he was fairly rich as he was a very good business man... His sons apparently hated QPR as they think they would have been a lot richer without us, he really did build the sh1thole we currently sit in He also was good at turning over a profit on transfers (Goddard and Allen for instance)... It definitely is the ground which Gregory built and its now almost impossible to understand how modern it was back in 1982 when the whole thing was completed. And as you say, his approach to transfers was the foundation the club was built on throughout his reign and through to the end of the Thompson era. Neither Gregory or Thompson really get the credit they deserve for how good they were especially the latter and, in hindsight, I am willing to put my hands up and admit that my role in the Thompson Out protests from distribution of leaflets and stickers to being one of the first on the pitch against Leeds was misguided. A bit of a selective memory there oldr... St Jim became Judas Jim when he sold the club in 1987 to David Bulstrode and Marler Estates and the FPR fiasco... I think the plan was we merged with Fulham and shared LR with Chelsea while Craven Cottage and Stamford Bridge were redeveloped for big bucks... The FA was having none of it Bulstrode who was chairman was a larger than life character had a heart attack and died the following year... The takeover by the Thompson's flew by me as I was travelling the world from late 87 to 89... They made the mistake of trying to input Marsh as DOF over Francis who walked... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 15:28:39 GMT
Was it Stainrod or Fenwick who missed a match/train so they could watch tue B52s in concert?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 15:36:55 GMT
It definitely is the ground which Gregory built and its now almost impossible to understand how modern it was back in 1982 when the whole thing was completed. And as you say, his approach to transfers was the foundation the club was built on throughout his reign and through to the end of the Thompson era. Neither Gregory or Thompson really get the credit they deserve for how good they were especially the latter and, in hindsight, I am willing to put my hands up and admit that my role in the Thompson Out protests from distribution of leaflets and stickers to being one of the first on the pitch against Leeds was misguided. A bit of a selective memory there oldr... St Jim became Judas Jim when he sold the club in 1987 to David Bulstrode and Marler Estates and the FPR fiasco... I think the plan was we merged with Fulham and shared LR with Chelsea while Craven Cottage and Stamford Bridge were redeveloped for big bucks... The FA was having none of it Bulstrode who was chairman was a larger than life character had a heart attack and died the following year... The takeover by the Thompson's flew by me as I was travelling the world from late 87 to 89... They made the mistake of trying to input Marsh as DOF over Francis who walked... He did become hated but that doesn't mean he didn't operate a tight ship based on a great transfer/scouting policy to be fair. Likewise, Thompson speaking to Marsh can't undo everything he did at the helm. He was a great chairman. On a slight tangent- but stating at the very start that I was against the merger and still think it was the right moral outcome to abort it - I can see where Gregory/Bulstrude were coming from when they said it was the only option available to generate a successful club in West London. At the time no London Club had won the title for 16 years and no West London one for 31 and it is ludicrous that we have 3 teams in the same borough competing for support. I'm not sure FPR would have been an immediate success as both QPR and Fulham 'legacy fans' would have abandoned the new club but post Italia 90 - just 3 years away - when the middle class discovered football? Who'd be brave enough to argue that they wouldn't have gone on to achieve something? It was a brilliant business idea but morally wrong for QPR and Fulham and our individual identities and histories. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Jan 10, 2024 16:18:48 GMT
Any chairman from the past would look good today when you compare them to the cunts we currently have.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 10, 2024 17:09:47 GMT
Any chairman from the past would look good today when you compare them to the cunts we currently have. Chairman Mao would be preferable. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 10, 2024 17:35:22 GMT
Stainrod was more moody and miserable than bill, unbelievable I know I worked with his Mrs in Sheffield for a short time. Nice. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 10, 2024 18:36:05 GMT
So u was banging bills mrs, and oldr went on holiday with bill to hidey high camp
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Post by Bill on Jan 10, 2024 19:28:09 GMT
A bit of a selective memory there oldr... St Jim became Judas Jim when he sold the club in 1987 to David Bulstrode and Marler Estates and the FPR fiasco... I think the plan was we merged with Fulham and shared LR with Chelsea while Craven Cottage and Stamford Bridge were redeveloped for big bucks... The FA was having none of it Bulstrode who was chairman was a larger than life character had a heart attack and died the following year... The takeover by the Thompson's flew by me as I was travelling the world from late 87 to 89... They made the mistake of trying to input Marsh as DOF over Francis who walked... He did become hated but that doesn't mean he didn't operate a tight ship based on a great transfer/scouting policy to be fair. Likewise, Thompson speaking to Marsh can't undo everything he did at the helm. He was a great chairman. On a slight tangent- but stating at the very start that I was against the merger and still think it was the right moral outcome to abort it - I can see where Gregory/Bulstrude were coming from when they said it was the only option available to generate a successful club in West London. At the time no London Club had won the title for 16 years and no West London one for 31 and it is ludicrous that we have 3 teams in the same borough competing for support. I'm not sure FPR would have been an immediate success as both QPR and Fulham 'legacy fans' would have abandoned the new club but post Italia 90 - just 3 years away - when the middle class discovered football? Who'd be brave enough to argue that they wouldn't have gone on to achieve something? It was a brilliant business idea but morally wrong for QPR and Fulham and our individual identities and histories. Thompson a great chairman you cannot be serious. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 19:35:04 GMT
He did become hated but that doesn't mean he didn't operate a tight ship based on a great transfer/scouting policy to be fair. Likewise, Thompson speaking to Marsh can't undo everything he did at the helm. He was a great chairman. On a slight tangent- but stating at the very start that I was against the merger and still think it was the right moral outcome to abort it - I can see where Gregory/Bulstrude were coming from when they said it was the only option available to generate a successful club in West London. At the time no London Club had won the title for 16 years and no West London one for 31 and it is ludicrous that we have 3 teams in the same borough competing for support. I'm not sure FPR would have been an immediate success as both QPR and Fulham 'legacy fans' would have abandoned the new club but post Italia 90 - just 3 years away - when the middle class discovered football? Who'd be brave enough to argue that they wouldn't have gone on to achieve something? It was a brilliant business idea but morally wrong for QPR and Fulham and our individual identities and histories. Thompson a great chairman you cannot be serious. He absolutely was. Ran the club well and successfully continued the blueprint created by Gregory about how QPR should work. Our problems began when he abandoned that and gave Wilkins all the Les money to spend. In hindsight our Thompson Out campaign was on par with Charlton fans demanding Curbishley was sacked... |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 10, 2024 19:53:27 GMT
Wasn’t wright who died banging his bit on side the decent owner, then Thomson came in and fucked us over
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 20:01:05 GMT
Wasn’t wright who died banging his bit on side the decent owner, then Thomson came in and fucked us over Bulstrude died and Thompson took over. We let ourselves believe he was an asset stripper and fucking us over but we got that wrong and he was doing a ridiculously good job 👍 |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 10, 2024 20:04:38 GMT
Oh yes wright sold training ground to wasps,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 20:22:43 GMT
Oh yes wright sold training ground to wasps, Wright was seen as our saviour but made some absolutely awful decisions which almost killed the club. He wasn't a bad man though, just incompetent. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jan 10, 2024 22:07:47 GMT
The concern with the current board is no one has any idea what their plan is for the football club.
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Post by Bill on Jan 10, 2024 22:48:47 GMT
Thompson a great chairman you cannot be serious. He absolutely was. Ran the club well and successfully continued the blueprint created by Gregory about how QPR should work. Our problems began when he abandoned that and gave Wilkins all the Les money to spend. In hindsight our Thompson Out campaign was on par with Charlton fans demanding Curbishley was sacked... You trying to rewrite history now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 22:58:04 GMT
He absolutely was. Ran the club well and successfully continued the blueprint created by Gregory about how QPR should work. Our problems began when he abandoned that and gave Wilkins all the Les money to spend. In hindsight our Thompson Out campaign was on par with Charlton fans demanding Curbishley was sacked... You trying to rewrite history now. How? Did we go into the red under Thompson? No. Did we always re-invest transfer money recieved into the ground, squad and preventing financial losses? Yes Did we enjoy a successful period under the Chairmanship of Thompson? Yes Would we have qualified for Europe in a pre-Heysel World in a position achieved when Thompson was Chairman? Yes Did things immediately fall apart after Thompson left? Yes Happy for you to tackle all the above and show where I'm factually incorrect. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 23:13:51 GMT
Some off on a tangent facts...
Gregory was Chairman for 56.6% of all our seasons in the top flight.
Thompson was Chairman for 34.7% of them...
Without doubt the greatest Chairmen in the history of QPR.
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Post by Bill on Jan 11, 2024 9:59:49 GMT
You trying to rewrite history now. How? Did we go into the red under Thompson? No. Did we always re-invest transfer money recieved into the ground, squad and preventing financial losses? Yes Did we enjoy a successful period under the Chairmanship of Thompson? Yes Would we have qualified for Europe in a pre-Heysel World in a position achieved when Thompson was Chairman? Yes Did things immediately fall apart after Thompson left? Yes Happy for you to tackle all the above and show where I'm factually incorrect. I worked at the club then he was a young punk who knew fuck all about football and behind the scenes was an absoloute knob Treated the staff like shit and fell apart because of the mess he left us in. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 11, 2024 10:02:57 GMT
You talk absoloute garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 10:41:05 GMT
How? Did we go into the red under Thompson? No. Did we always re-invest transfer money recieved into the ground, squad and preventing financial losses? Yes Did we enjoy a successful period under the Chairmanship of Thompson? Yes Would we have qualified for Europe in a pre-Heysel World in a position achieved when Thompson was Chairman? Yes Did things immediately fall apart after Thompson left? Yes Happy for you to tackle all the above and show where I'm factually incorrect. I worked at the club then he was a young punk who knew fuck all about football and behind the scenes was an absoloute knob Treated the staff like shit and fell apart because of the mess he left us in. I'm not quite certain how him being a 'knob' means he wasn't a good businessman... Put it this way, they could make a Netflix about the NDAs Branson has allegedly put into place but he's still regarded as an amazing businessman... Are you interested in debating his actual achievements as Chairman or just his character? We probably share common ground on the latter but it's not the point being discussed... |
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Post by Shania on Jan 11, 2024 11:27:25 GMT
I worked at the club then he was a young punk who knew fuck all about football and behind the scenes was an absoloute knob Treated the staff like shit and fell apart because of the mess he left us in. I'm not quite certain how him being a 'knob' means he wasn't a good businessman... Put it this way, they could make a Netflix about the NDAs Branson has allegedly put into place but he's still regarded as an amazing businessman... Are you interested in debating his actual achievements as Chairman or just his character? We probably share common ground on the latter but it's not the point being discussed... My Original question was what a new Board could learn from the past; Success factors as well as mistakes. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 11, 2024 11:41:40 GMT
I'm not quite certain how him being a 'knob' means he wasn't a good businessman... Put it this way, they could make a Netflix about the NDAs Branson has allegedly put into place but he's still regarded as an amazing businessman... Are you interested in debating his actual achievements as Chairman or just his character? We probably share common ground on the latter but it's not the point being discussed... My Original question was what a new Board could learn from the past; Success factors as well as mistakes. I’m not sure you could teach anyone who wants to own a football club anything. Not that they’d listen anyway 😁 Good advice would be if you don’t know what you’re doing bring in people with proven track records not club legends on a learning curve. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 11, 2024 11:44:02 GMT
My Original question was what a new Board could learn from the past; Success factors as well as mistakes. I’m not sure you could teach anyone who wants to own a football club anything. Not that they’d listen anyway 😁 Good advice would be if you don’t know what you’re doing bring in people with proven track records not club legends on a learning curve. That is a fact! |
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Post by Bill on Jan 11, 2024 12:23:16 GMT
I worked at the club then he was a young punk who knew fuck all about football and behind the scenes was an absoloute knob Treated the staff like shit and fell apart because of the mess he left us in. I'm not quite certain how him being a 'knob' means he wasn't a good businessman... Put it this way, they could make a Netflix about the NDAs Branson has allegedly put into place but he's still regarded as an amazing businessman... Are you interested in debating his actual achievements as Chairman or just his character? We probably share common ground on the latter but it's not the point being discussed... I dont share any common ground with you. Your memory must have a problem. Thompson rode on the back of his fathers success,born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Whilst at QPR he destroyed moral and was despised. Other than that i feel you are fishing for what i am not sure. Unless you think you know me.GT |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 12:27:25 GMT
I'm not quite certain how him being a 'knob' means he wasn't a good businessman... Put it this way, they could make a Netflix about the NDAs Branson has allegedly put into place but he's still regarded as an amazing businessman... Are you interested in debating his actual achievements as Chairman or just his character? We probably share common ground on the latter but it's not the point being discussed... My Original question was what a new Board could learn from the past; Success factors as well as mistakes. The lessons we can learn from Gregory and Thompson is that we're a small club punching above its weight on occasions and, as a consequence, we need to cut our cloth accordingly. What we can also learn from those eras ls is success is relative. We're not going to win the title or many cups so when we finished as London's top club in 1993 we shouldn't have so carried away with ourselves that we threw a hissy fit that we didn't go further. That was success. What future owners should also take from those eras is the need to be transparent and explain. Fans threw a hissy fit about Thompson regularly selling the best players and he should have given interviews explaining the reality of QPR and how we can't, financially, compete with bigger clubs. Of course, we could end up with a Saudi backer who throws enough money at us that the above becomes irrelevant but for me I won't be a QPR fan anymore if that happens and may God forgive you all and all that... |
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