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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 12:30:29 GMT
I'm not quite certain how him being a 'knob' means he wasn't a good businessman... Put it this way, they could make a Netflix about the NDAs Branson has allegedly put into place but he's still regarded as an amazing businessman... Are you interested in debating his actual achievements as Chairman or just his character? We probably share common ground on the latter but it's not the point being discussed... I dont share any common ground with you. Your memory must have a problem. Thompson rode on the back of his fathers success,born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Whilst at QPR he destroyed moral and was despised. Other than that i feel you are fishing for what i am not sure. Unless you think you know me.GT Again, nothing about his business management of QPR. Politics of envy? Yes Character assessment? Yes Business management? No. I didn't really like him as a person but that was completely irrelevant to his ability to run the club as a business. Now, if you're interested in debating the business decisions he made I'm all for that but I've no interest in the direction YOU want to take this in.
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Post by Shania on Jan 11, 2024 12:35:22 GMT
My Original question was what a new Board could learn from the past; Success factors as well as mistakes. The lessons we can learn from Gregory and Thompson is that we're a small club punching above its weight on occasions and, as a consequence, we need to cut our cloth accordingly. What we can also learn from those era ls is success is relative We're not going to win the title or many cups so if when we finished as London's top club in 1993 we shouldn't have so carried away with ourselves that we threw a hissy fit that we didn't go further. That was success. What future owners should also take from those eras is the need to be transparent and explain. Fans threw a hissy fit about Thompson regularly selling the best players and he should have given interviews explaining the reality of QPR and how we can't, financially, compete with bigger clubs. Of course, we could end up with a Saudi backer who throws enough money at us that the above becomes irrelevant but for me I won't be a QPR fan anymore of that happens and may God forgive you all and all that... And a Board/owners should be very careful about selling too many players at a time? Paul Goddard to West Ham was one too many.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 13:01:12 GMT
The lessons we can learn from Gregory and Thompson is that we're a small club punching above its weight on occasions and, as a consequence, we need to cut our cloth accordingly. What we can also learn from those era ls is success is relative We're not going to win the title or many cups so if when we finished as London's top club in 1993 we shouldn't have so carried away with ourselves that we threw a hissy fit that we didn't go further. That was success. What future owners should also take from those eras is the need to be transparent and explain. Fans threw a hissy fit about Thompson regularly selling the best players and he should have given interviews explaining the reality of QPR and how we can't, financially, compete with bigger clubs. Of course, we could end up with a Saudi backer who throws enough money at us that the above becomes irrelevant but for me I won't be a QPR fan anymore of that happens and may God forgive you all and all that... And a Board/owners should be very careful about selling too many players at a time? Paul Goddard to West Ham was one too many. West Ham were FA Cup holders and had European Football to look forward to. They were also out right favourites to win Division 2 - as they did - and had a history of nurturing young talent. We also had a new stand to build and had failed to be promoted the season before. It was probably harder to keep him to be fair.
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Post by Shania on Jan 11, 2024 13:12:08 GMT
And a Board/owners should be very careful about selling too many players at a time? Paul Goddard to West Ham was one too many. West Ham were FA Cup holders and had European Football to look forward to. They were also out right favourites to win Division 2 - as they did - and had a history of nurturing young talent. We also had a new stand to build and had failed to be promoted the season before. It was probably harder to keep him to be fair.Ok!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 13:18:47 GMT
West Ham were FA Cup holders and had European Football to look forward to. They were also out right favourites to win Division 2 - as they did - and had a history of nurturing young talent. We also had a new stand to build and had failed to be promoted the season before. It was probably harder to keep him to be fair.Ok! Something else to consider as well - which probably sums up the ethos of QPR under Gregory- that summer we also sold Clive Allen for £1m and Chris Woods for around a quarter of that. With the proceeds we paid off the construction costs for the new School End and bought, among others, Tony Sealey, Michael Flanagan, Terry Fenwick, Warren Neil and Ian Stewart who all went on to play a significant role over the next few seasons of success.
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Post by Shania on Jan 11, 2024 14:00:10 GMT
Something else to consider as well - which probably sums up the ethos of QPR under Gregory- that summer we also sold Clive Allen for £1m and Chris Woods for around a quarter of that. With the proceeds we paid off the construction costs for the new School End and bought, among others, Tony Sealey, Michael Flanagan, Terry Fenwick, Warren Neil and Ian Stewart who all went on to play a significant role over the next few seasons of success.Thank you, Old!!
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Post by Bill on Jan 11, 2024 19:08:47 GMT
I dont share any common ground with you. Your memory must have a problem. Thompson rode on the back of his fathers success,born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Whilst at QPR he destroyed moral and was despised. Other than that i feel you are fishing for what i am not sure. Unless you think you know me.GT Again, nothing about his business management of QPR. Politics of envy? Yes Character assessment? Yes Business management? No. I didn't really like him as a person but that was completely irrelevant to his ability to run the club as a business. Now, if you're interested in debating the business decisions he made I'm all for that but I've no interest in the direction YOU want to take this in. Covid is alive and well LOL
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jan 11, 2024 19:29:26 GMT
Something else to consider as well - which probably sums up the ethos of QPR under Gregory- that summer we also sold Clive Allen for £1m and Chris Woods for around a quarter of that. With the proceeds we paid off the construction costs for the new School End and bought, among others, Tony Sealey, Michael Flanagan, Terry Fenwick, Warren Neil and Ian Stewart who all went on to play a significant role over the next few seasons of success. I always thought Warren Neill was our own youth player?
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 11, 2024 20:10:04 GMT
Something else to consider as well - which probably sums up the ethos of QPR under Gregory- that summer we also sold Clive Allen for £1m and Chris Woods for around a quarter of that. With the proceeds we paid off the construction costs for the new School End and bought, among others, Tony Sealey, Michael Flanagan, Terry Fenwick, Warren Neil and Ian Stewart who all went on to play a significant role over the next few seasons of success. I always thought Warren Neill was our own youth player? Acton boy, one of our own.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 20:20:09 GMT
I always thought Warren Neill was our own youth player? Acton boy, one of our own. My mistake 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2024 20:21:17 GMT
Again, nothing about his business management of QPR. Politics of envy? Yes Character assessment? Yes Business management? No. I didn't really like him as a person but that was completely irrelevant to his ability to run the club as a business. Now, if you're interested in debating the business decisions he made I'm all for that but I've no interest in the direction YOU want to take this in. Covid is alive and well LOL Great argument there, Bill. Can see why it took hours to come up with a response Oscar Wilde would cast envious eyes at 👍
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Post by acricketer on Jan 11, 2024 22:31:30 GMT
How would this board be measured in comparison to performance measurements in industry? Essentially it is a private company with a bunch of rich fuckwits playing FIFA '48
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 9:42:36 GMT
How would this board be measured in comparison to performance measurements in industry? Essentially it is a private company with a bunch of rich fuckwits playing FIFA '48 I think there's an overriding sense that most football boards operate in a manner completely at odds with the way companies in the City can and do. Although we all hope we're not one of them, it would do the sport a whole load of good if clubs began to go bust so others are forced to accept that they need to change their ways.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 12, 2024 17:26:16 GMT
How would this board be measured in comparison to performance measurements in industry? Essentially it is a private company with a bunch of rich fuckwits playing FIFA '48 I think there's an overriding sense that most football boards operate in a manner completely at odds with the way companies in the City can and do. Although we all hope we're not one of them, it would do the sport a whole load of good if clubs began to go bust so others are forced to accept that they need to change their ways. Indeed, problem is that our beloved club would be one of those whose future is, you would have to say, more uncertain than most due to the board's incompetence. Fans (me included) are not entirely innocent in all this either. Virtually everyone was screaming under Warbs to make those four loan signings permanent for example and look how that turned out (and btw the reason why we can't do anything this window).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 17:28:55 GMT
I think there's an overriding sense that most football boards operate in a manner completely at odds with the way companies in the City can and do. Although we all hope we're not one of them, it would do the sport a whole load of good if clubs began to go bust so others are forced to accept that they need to change their ways. Indeed, problem is that our beloved club would be one of those whose future is, you would have to say, more uncertain than most due to the board's incompetence. Fans (me included) are not entirely innocent in all this either. Virtually everyone was screaming under Warbs to make those four loan signings permanent for example and look how that turned out (and btw the reason why we can't do anything this window). I've said a few times on here that I was astounded that fans applauded and celebrated us buying players from AC Milan and Real Madrid without thinking about whether or not we could afford them...
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 12, 2024 17:35:11 GMT
I think there's an overriding sense that most football boards operate in a manner completely at odds with the way companies in the City can and do. Although we all hope we're not one of them, it would do the sport a whole load of good if clubs began to go bust so others are forced to accept that they need to change their ways. Indeed, problem is that our beloved club would be one of those whose future is, you would have to say, more uncertain than most due to the board's incompetence. Fans (me included) are not entirely innocent in all this either. Virtually everyone was screaming under Warbs to make those four loan signings permanent for example and look how that turned out (and btw the reason why we can't do anything this window). Thats because we support and pay to see our team win and progress. At that time there was a very real chance we could have got at least play-offs. Fans are never going to say let’s not bother. Might just as well send the club the ticket money and not bother wasting your travel costs.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 12, 2024 17:42:23 GMT
Indeed, problem is that our beloved club would be one of those whose future is, you would have to say, more uncertain than most due to the board's incompetence. Fans (me included) are not entirely innocent in all this either. Virtually everyone was screaming under Warbs to make those four loan signings permanent for example and look how that turned out (and btw the reason why we can't do anything this window). Thats because we support and pay to see our team win and progress. At that time there was a very real chance we could have got at least play-offs. Fans are never going to say let’s not bother. Might just as well send the club the ticket money and not bother wasting your travel costs. Fair enough - but then said fans should wind their necks in when they complain now that we can't sign anyone. If you are broke but you go down to the pub and spend what little money you have on beer, I get the temptation, but don't be too surprised if you wake up broke with a hangover...
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 12, 2024 17:55:51 GMT
Not the fans’ fault that we’ve signed Duds, Donkeys and a Duff - sorry, DOF. The money wasted has been epic.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 12, 2024 18:20:46 GMT
Not the fans’ fault that we’ve signed Duds, Donkeys and a Duff - sorry, DOF. The money wasted has been epic. In some cases, but when you look at the likes of Kieran Dyer and Shaun Wright Philips you didn't have to be a member of Mensa (or this new CEO's data academy) to see this was madness, but on the crowd cheered...
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Post by The General on Jan 12, 2024 18:26:10 GMT
This is nothing to do with the fans
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 18:27:08 GMT
Not the fans’ fault that we’ve signed Duds, Donkeys and a Duff - sorry, DOF. The money wasted has been epic. In some cases, but when you look at the likes of Kieran Dyer and Shaun Wright Philips you didn't have to be a member of Mensa (or this new CEO's data academy) to see this was madness, but on the crowd cheered... Those who embraced the rich boys and what they did are equally to blame for what happened and continues to.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 12, 2024 18:41:52 GMT
Not the fans’ fault that we’ve signed Duds, Donkeys and a Duff - sorry, DOF. The money wasted has been epic. In some cases, but when you look at the likes of Kieran Dyer and Shaun Wright Philips you didn't have to be a member of Mensa (or this new CEO's data academy) to see this was madness, but on the crowd cheered... But that’s our job, cheering the team. We can’t tell the owners how to spend their money….or not. They don’t take any notice anyway. Apparently.
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Post by spongeparr on Jan 12, 2024 19:02:04 GMT
In some cases, but when you look at the likes of Kieran Dyer and Shaun Wright Philips you didn't have to be a member of Mensa (or this new CEO's data academy) to see this was madness, but on the crowd cheered... But that’s our job, cheering the team. We can’t tell the owners how to spend their money….or not. They don’t take any notice anyway. Apparently. If they did take notice then they shouldn't be running a club. Or any business.
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Post by The General on Jan 12, 2024 19:59:59 GMT
In some cases, but when you look at the likes of Kieran Dyer and Shaun Wright Philips you didn't have to be a member of Mensa (or this new CEO's data academy) to see this was madness, but on the crowd cheered... Those who embraced the rich boys and what they did are equally to blame for what happened and continues to. Why is it so bad to embrace some wealth to a club that has been in the gutter for yrs No fan should feel guilty about that at all This statement is complete bollox sorry
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 20:03:57 GMT
Those who embraced the rich boys and what they did are equally to blame for what happened and continues to. Why is it so bad to embrace some wealth to a club that has been in the gutter for yrs No fan should feel guilty about that at all This statement is complete bollox sorry Because its not the QPR way, not the way football should be and most of those who did mocked Fulham when al Fayed and pretended it wasn't envy... Anyone who sat back and applauded us buying Brazilian internationals and players from Real Madrid was complicit in what happened and that's a fact.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 12, 2024 20:54:09 GMT
So don’t cheer the team and support the club in case we can’t afford the players and Fulham shouldn’t be light years ahead of us because they didn’t do it the way football should be played? What a load of nonsense.
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Post by The General on Jan 12, 2024 21:10:19 GMT
Why is it so bad to embrace some wealth to a club that has been in the gutter for yrs No fan should feel guilty about that at all This statement is complete bollox sorry Because its not the QPR way, not the way football should be and most of those who did mocked Fulham when al Fayed and pretended it wasn't envy... Anyone who sat back and applauded us buying Brazilian internationals and players from Real Madrid was complicit in what happened and that's a fact. Yes but the Qpr way is shit and has been for years 20 to be precise I was going in the 80s too We are not in the 80s anymore though are we
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 21:19:37 GMT
So don’t cheer the team and support the club in case we can’t afford the players and Fulham shouldn’t be light years ahead of us because they didn’t do it the way football should be played? What a load of nonsense. I didn't cheer them on and although I went to very occasional matches I never once came to support those who had stolen the club from us. Even at Wembley in 2014 - for which I had a free ticket - I didn't stay for the 'celebrations' and left the ground at full time: that wasn't QPR out there. Each to their own and if you have no moral issues with cheque book football and spending more than you earn then that's up to you but I have firm, resolute opinions about what I think is right and wrong and I will never jettison them.
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Post by The General on Jan 12, 2024 21:23:32 GMT
Most clubs have spent more than they earn
Man Utd owe 800 million pounds
I’m not saying this is a good thing
Just a pretty normal thing in football
We are not unique in this situation
You live in a world that does not exist anymore
Football clubs that balance the books prob 5%
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 21:24:51 GMT
Most clubs have spent more than they earn Man Utd owe 800 million pounds I’m not saying this is a good thing Just a pretty normal thing in football We are not unique in this situation You live in a world that does not exist anymore Football clubs that balance the books prob 5% I'd rather swim against the tide then condone something I cannot agree with.
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