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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 23, 2023 16:55:20 GMT
Roll on 31st August and I can fuck off to Turkey for a week as I need another break with this twat in charge
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 23, 2023 17:46:43 GMT
Imo, Les should have left his position earlier. That would probably have made the recruitment process easier for GA and Belk ... Which begs the question, if Les hadn't reportedly fallen out with Ainsworth over transfers, would he still be here? Probably an unpopular view but I wonder if Ainsworth staying is actually going to be more damaging than Les staying. Les was basically completely ineffective but I THINK he was at least in favour of developing players. My fear is Ainsworth will just want to bring in cloggers who will give him blood, sweat and tears who he thinks might just scramble enough ugly points to keep him in a job till Christmas. It won't be his problem when he's sacked that we have half a dozen carthorses on long contracts that the next manager refuses to play and no one - and I mean no one - will want to buy. But what players were "developed" under Ferdinand? Eze is the only genuine success I can think of in terms of a player who joined during Ferdinand's time as DoF, played his part in the first team and left for a significant profit. Problem we have this window is we have no money, next to no young players coming through that are good enough for the first team and no saleable assets good enough to fund the spending spree that most of the fans want us to go on. What Ainsworth is doing is unfortunately inevitable. |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 23, 2023 18:09:53 GMT
Maybe he thought when Ainsworth said I want the qpr players you scouted in 2016, Smyth and Scowen, who we’ve already deemed not good enough fuck off im not getting involved in them deals 🤣
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 23, 2023 18:18:36 GMT
Having thought about it you could probably say Luke Freeman and Josh Bowler were successfully developed and sold for a profit under Ferdinand's tenure.
You have to weigh that up against all the players we've signed for reasonably large fees and sold at a loss, or allowed to run their contracts down and leave for less than we should have got or for free. Washington, Bonne, Dickie, Cousins, Osayi-Samuel, Luongo, Bidwell, Goss, Leistner, Robinson, JET, Gladwin, Cherry, Sylla, Polter.....There are just so many.
Beyond me how anyone who's followed us the last decade can claim we've had anything resembling success in developing players. We've been utterly terrible at improving players and selling them for a profit.
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Post by West Acton on Jun 23, 2023 18:20:24 GMT
Would give him josh but Think Freeman Is a stretch
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 23, 2023 18:27:31 GMT
Would give him josh but Think Freeman I’d stretch Trying to be as fair as I can be mate. Fact is what Ferdinand has been trying to do has been an utter disaster, and has left us in the predicament that we're in. Skint, devoid of talent and scratching around to put a squad together for close to zero outlay. |
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Post by Corbray on Jun 23, 2023 18:30:56 GMT
Having thought about it you could probably say Luke Freeman and Josh Bowler were successfully developed and sold for a profit under Ferdinand's tenure. You have to weigh that up against all the players we've signed for reasonably large fees and sold at a loss, or allowed to run their contracts down and leave for less than we should have got or for free. Washington, Bonne, Dickie, Cousins, Osayi-Samuel, Luongo, Bidwell, Goss, Leistner, Robinson, JET, Gladwin, Cherry, Sylla, Polter.....There are just so many. Beyond me how anyone who's followed us the last decade can claim we've had anything resembling success in developing players. We've been utterly terrible at improving players and selling them for a profit. we've certainly had a fair few players developed but like you said, its the turning the profit part that lets it all down. les had no knack for negotiations or sales imo, when manning and BOS left for peanuts he ended up signing niko and ozzie to long term deals. even the eze sale i feel like can be largely contributed to eze himself. he signed a new deal, stuck around, never kicked up a fuss and treated us with immense respect when he got the move he wanted. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 23, 2023 18:35:56 GMT
Fair enough Corbs, but what's the point of players improving at the club if we aren't astute enough to sell them when their stock is high?
We've been utterly pathetic in terms of protecting our interests in the rare occasion a player has really kicked on during their time here (with the exception of Eze). We've also signed so many duds that we were told were "a coup" or "destined for big things".
Whether we like it or not, a different approach is required for the time being at least.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 23, 2023 18:44:19 GMT
Can’t we sell nico to the Saudis for 50 million
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Post by Shania on Jun 23, 2023 18:46:29 GMT
Imo, Les should have left his position earlier. That would probably have made the recruitment process easier for GA and Belk ... Which begs the question, if Les hadn't reportedly fallen out with Ainsworth over transfers, would he still be here? Probably an unpopular view but I wonder if Ainsworth staying is actually going to be more damaging than Les staying. Les was basically completely ineffective but I THINK he was at least in favour of developing players. My fear is Ainsworth will just want to bring in cloggers who will give him blood, sweat and tears who he thinks might just scramble enough ugly points to keep him in a job till Christmas. It won't be his problem when he's sacked that we have half a dozen carthorses on long contracts that the next manager refuses to play and no one - and I mean no one - will want to buy.Not really an unpopular view; because that`s a worry of course. If Smyth and Wing and players from div I and 2 is the blueprint of what`s being brought in, it will take our fitness coach and Dobbo (don't forget him) a lot of work to do.  |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jun 23, 2023 18:50:49 GMT
Can’t we sell nico to the Saudis for 50 million Gone badly downwards - if possible, not even in Finnish international squad anymore. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 23, 2023 18:58:51 GMT
Can’t we sell nico to the Saudis for 50 million Gone badly downwards - if possible, not even in Finnish international squad anymore. Wouldn't bet against him playing for us next season. Year left of a reported 8 grand a week contract. Nobody is gonna take him off our hands are they? And as things stand he's the only genuine back up at left back. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jun 23, 2023 19:11:43 GMT
Gone badly downwards - if possible, not even in Finnish international squad anymore. Wouldn't bet against him playing for us next season. Year left of a reported 8 grand a week contract. Nobody is gonna take him off our hands are they? And as things stand he's the only genuine back up at left back. Has failed with us and everywhere else so will enjoy his money for nothing and retire. I bet we will be the last club who will pay him anything. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jun 23, 2023 19:15:09 GMT
Maybe right Doc. I'm just saying that perhaps we might decide that given the financial constraints, and the fact we're likely gonna have to pay him whatever happens that we might decide to have him in the squad this coming season.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 24, 2023 6:11:25 GMT
Agree to disagree stains go have a lie down 😂 I’m lying down with a glass of something cold on a lovely Kentish evening mate. But Britain has the lowest economic growth in the G20 - the only country performing worse is Russia, which is fighting a war and facing economic sanctions. If you still support Brexit that is your right and we will indeed agree to disagree - but economically v v hard to argue that it has been anything other than a disaster Bollocks. Much better off free from that crooked snouts in trough cabal! You're also wrong about Germany. Economy now tanking and not long ago the powerhouse of Europe. France in a huge mess too. So much for the great German/French euro power alliance. Italy, Switzerland both with their own various crises etc anyway please use off topic section for politics chat this is the QPR barrel scrapping transfer rumour thread cheers lads |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 24, 2023 6:17:56 GMT
Wheres Leighsy ? Gone very quiet atm Maybe on hols in a dungeon somewhere Hopefully hes all ok "Maybe on hols?" 😂 When is he NOT on hols?! 😂 |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 24, 2023 6:20:11 GMT
How hard can it be to sign the level of crap we trying to sign?
Can’t be many takers for one leg half blind 5”1 23 st players over 42
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 24, 2023 6:21:16 GMT
Wheres Leighsy ? Gone very quiet atm Maybe on hols in a dungeon somewhere Hopefully hes all ok "Maybe on hols?" 😂 When is he NOT on hols?! 😂 I’m back from holiday, and I have u know I’m not away again till 31st Aug |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 24, 2023 6:31:38 GMT
"Maybe on hols?" 😂 When is he NOT on hols?! 😂 I’m back from holiday, and I have u know I’m not away again till 31st Aug Yeah welcome home. And we know you're temporarily back cos that's when you post here haha |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 24, 2023 6:40:41 GMT
Les should have left his position earlier. The understatement of the last 5 years lol |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 24, 2023 6:46:59 GMT
Which begs the question, if Les hadn't reportedly fallen out with Ainsworth over transfers, would he still be here? Probably an unpopular view but I wonder if Ainsworth staying is actually going to be more damaging than Les staying. Les was basically completely ineffective but I THINK he was at least in favour of developing players. My fear is Ainsworth will just want to bring in cloggers who will give him blood, sweat and tears who he thinks might just scramble enough ugly points to keep him in a job till Christmas. It won't be his problem when he's sacked that we have half a dozen carthorses on long contracts that the next manager refuses to play and no one - and I mean no one - will want to buy. But what players were "developed" under Ferdinand? Eze is the only genuine success I can think of in terms of a player who joined during Ferdinand's time as DoF, played his part in the first team and left for a significant profit. Problem we have this window is we have no money, next to no young players coming through that are good enough for the first team and no saleable assets good enough to fund the spending spree that most of the fans want us to go on. What Ainsworth is doing is unfortunately inevitable. Yeah! Thanks to are good pal Mr Andy Belk!  |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 24, 2023 6:53:52 GMT
Having thought about it you could probably say Luke Freeman and Josh Bowler were successfully developed and sold for a profit under Ferdinand's tenure. You have to weigh that up against all the players we've signed for reasonably large fees and sold at a loss, or allowed to run their contracts down and leave for less than we should have got or for free. Washington, Bonne, Dickie, Cousins, Osayi-Samuel, Luongo, Bidwell, Goss, Leistner, Robinson, JET, Gladwin, Cherry, Sylla, Polter.....There are just so many. Beyond me how anyone who's followed us the last decade can claim we've had anything resembling success in developing players. We've been utterly terrible at improving players and selling them for a profit. Nobody furnished with the full facts and in possession of their full sanity has ever said that Tarbs. With the obvious single exception of the club's salaried PR spin doctors. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 24, 2023 7:31:21 GMT
Having thought about it you could probably say Luke Freeman and Josh Bowler were successfully developed and sold for a profit under Ferdinand's tenure. You have to weigh that up against all the players we've signed for reasonably large fees and sold at a loss, or allowed to run their contracts down and leave for less than we should have got or for free. Washington, Bonne, Dickie, Cousins, Osayi-Samuel, Luongo, Bidwell, Goss, Leistner, Robinson, JET, Gladwin, Cherry, Sylla, Polter.....There are just so many. Beyond me how anyone who's followed us the last decade can claim we've had anything resembling success in developing players. We've been utterly terrible at improving players and selling them for a profit. we've certainly had a fair few players developed but like you said, its the turning the profit part that lets it all down. les had no knack for negotiations or sales imo, when manning and BOS left for peanuts he ended up signing niko and ozzie to long term deals. even the eze sale i feel like can be largely contributed to eze himself. he signed a new deal, stuck around, never kicked up a fuss and treated us with immense respect when he got the move he wanted. Why would he have any knack Corbs when Fernandes hired him he had zero experience or qualifications in that department? And then kept on in same role for eight years and with zero accountabilty from the board, and then allowed free reign to lurch from one calamity signing to the next along the way. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 24, 2023 7:49:45 GMT
Why we beating a dead horse? Nigh on everyone wanted him gone, he gone. Got to move forward, can’t keep looking back. What is done is done it’s the past. We got a very worrisome now to address.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jun 24, 2023 8:07:48 GMT
Wouldn’t be surprised if we try and persuade ‘The Beast’ Akinfemwa out of retirement… Ex-Wycombe, over 40… ticks all the boxes… |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jun 24, 2023 10:53:45 GMT
"Last season "why did we let Smyth go, Les is a twat yada yada yada"
This season "why have we signed Smyth, he's not good enough, never was Les (GA) is a twat yada yada yada
Our fanbase is special."
Saw that on Facebook and 100% agree.
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Post by Shania on Jun 24, 2023 11:37:52 GMT
An improved Paul Smyth ticks a lot of boxes, no doubt about that, but I just hope he`s not the only attacking player we will bring in. Edit: A few boxes at least.
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Post by hal9thou on Jun 24, 2023 12:11:23 GMT
"Last season "why did we let Smyth go, Les is a twat yada yada yada" This season "why have we signed Smyth, he's not good enough, never was Les (GA) is a twat yada yada yada Our fanbase is special." Saw that on Facebook and 100% agree. Tbf I dont think a lot of people were devastated when he left. Personally I thought he was massively over hyped on arrival. And I wouldn't have him back. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Jun 24, 2023 12:18:08 GMT
Roll on 31st August and I can fuck off to Turkey for a week as I need another break with this twat in charge Unless it goes even more bonkers in Ukraine/Russia (is that possible?) and the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station explodes (through overheating because of the Kakhovka dam destruction, or Russian attack)... Turkey is reportedly within the radioactive fallout zone  How about a nice caravan holiday in East Wittering? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 24, 2023 12:19:24 GMT
Roll on 31st August and I can fuck off to Turkey for a week as I need another break with this twat in charge Unless it goes even more bonkers in Ukraine/Russia (is that possible?) and the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station explodes (through overheating because of the Kakhovka dam destruction, or Russian attack)... Turkey is reportedly within the radioactive fallout zone How about a nice caravan holiday in East Wittering? Great,I’m brown as fuck already, what a tan I will have |
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