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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 28, 2023 9:04:14 GMT
When people go on about these players have hung out a number of managers in a row from Warburton to Ainsworth. Who are we talking about? Dykes, Chair and Willock? Not exactly a major number. The issue is the manager. Same players that didn't play for Warburton, Critchley, Beale at the end, Ainsworth? All of them. Weak minded bunch of individuals. Goal goes against them they crumble. We've amassed a team of fairies. Very little leadership in that squad. Manager is shit but this bunch of fuckers on the pitch have a hell of a lot to answer for our trouble. And haven’t we just given Donkey a pay rise? Bizarre.
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Post by hubble on Oct 28, 2023 9:07:42 GMT
When people go on about these players have hung out a number of managers in a row from Warburton to Ainsworth. Who are we talking about? Dykes, Chair and Willock? Not exactly a major number. The issue is the manager. Same players that didn't play for Warburton, Critchley, Beale at the end, Ainsworth? All of them. Weak minded bunch of individuals. Goal goes against them they crumble. We've amassed a team of fairies. Very little leadership in that squad. Manager is shit but this bunch of fuckers on the pitch have a hell of a lot to answer for our trouble. I think we've got to cut the players a little slack. Hear me out. If you were being told how to do your job - a job that you knew pretty well and how to do it properly - by a complete oaf, knowing that his directions would not only fail, but make you look much worse than you actually are - what would you do? I think the players deserve credit for trying to enact this oaf's 'plans' every week, despite knowing that they won't work. Get this oaf out of our club, get a decent manager in, and watch performances improve immediately.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2023 9:09:04 GMT
Same players that didn't play for Warburton, Critchley, Beale at the end, Ainsworth? All of them. Weak minded bunch of individuals. Goal goes against them they crumble. We've amassed a team of fairies. Very little leadership in that squad. Manager is shit but this bunch of fuckers on the pitch have a hell of a lot to answer for our trouble. Yeah that’s what people say but this is our first team now: Begovic Cooke, JCS, Fox ??, Colback, Field, Paal chair, Dykes, Sinclair Armstrong/Willock Not many there were here under Warburton. 6 were here under Beale and Critchley. And that's a fair point & 6 is a big chunk of our team who regularly play but I do think this is simply a case of the managers shit and we all knew it & the players are mentally weak. Out of that lot there, leaders for me would be Cook, Begovic, Field. That's it.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2023 9:10:16 GMT
Same players that didn't play for Warburton, Critchley, Beale at the end, Ainsworth? All of them. Weak minded bunch of individuals. Goal goes against them they crumble. We've amassed a team of fairies. Very little leadership in that squad. Manager is shit but this bunch of fuckers on the pitch have a hell of a lot to answer for our trouble. And haven’t we just given Donkey a pay rise? Bizarre. Absolutely unbelievable. How many defenders, midfielders, a keeper have we signed over the last few seasons yet still no half decent striker. The decision making at this club is so bad it's criminal.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2023 9:12:57 GMT
Same players that didn't play for Warburton, Critchley, Beale at the end, Ainsworth? All of them. Weak minded bunch of individuals. Goal goes against them they crumble. We've amassed a team of fairies. Very little leadership in that squad. Manager is shit but this bunch of fuckers on the pitch have a hell of a lot to answer for our trouble. I think we've got to cut the players a little slack. Hear me out. If you were being told how to do your job - a job that you knew pretty well and how to do it properly - by a complete oaf, knowing that his directions would not only fail, but make you look much worse than you actually are - what would you do? I think the players deserve credit for trying to enact this oaf's 'plans' every week, despite knowing that they won't work. Get this oaf out of our club, get a decent manager in, and watch performances improve immediately.
Agree to a point hub but some of the goals we concede is simply down to the players. The manager is shit but he can't stop Larkeche squaring a simple ball to a Coventry striker, or Ozzy Kaykay being out of position 20 times a game & getting caught out, or every other shit goal we've conceded. I agree the buck stops with GA and I think he needs to go but this lot are so weak.
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Post by James1979 on Oct 28, 2023 9:13:27 GMT
Yeah that’s what people say but this is our first team now: Begovic Cooke, JCS, Fox ??, Colback, Field, Paal chair, Dykes, Sinclair Armstrong/Willock Not many there were here under Warburton. 6 were here under Beale and Critchley. And that's a fair point & 6 is a big chunk of our team who regularly play but I do think this is simply a case of the managers shit and we all knew it & the players are mentally weak. Out of that lot there, leaders for me would be Cook, Begovic, Field. That's it. 2 of those 6 are Sinclair Armstrong and Field. I don’t think they have downed tools ever. Then Paal who has actually done ok this season. Dozzell is better than last season. Last season I never had issue with Chairs effort.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2023 9:15:26 GMT
And that's a fair point & 6 is a big chunk of our team who regularly play but I do think this is simply a case of the managers shit and we all knew it & the players are mentally weak. Out of that lot there, leaders for me would be Cook, Begovic, Field. That's it. 2 of those 6 are Sinclair Armstrong and Field. I don’t think they have downed tools ever. Then Paal who has actually done ok this season. Dozzell is better than last season. Last season I never had issue with Chairs effort. Few points. I did mention Field as a leader above. Sinclair Armstrong tries but is so far from this level it's just glaringly obvious and that's a different debate altogether. Paal has done ok but he's no leader. Dozzell the very same. I want to see a player who we can rely on or count on to at least try and drag the team by the scruff of the neck when the chips are down. Every team has one.... Except us.
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Post by James1979 on Oct 28, 2023 9:18:29 GMT
2 of those 6 are Sinclair Armstrong and Field. I don’t think they have downed tools ever. Then Paal who has actually done ok this season. Dozzell is better than last season. Last season I never had issue with Chairs effort. Few points. I did mention Field as a leader above. Sinclair Armstrong tries but is so far from this level it's just glaringly obvious and that's a different debate altogether. Paal has done ok but he's no leader. Dozzell the very same. I want to see a player who we can rely on or count on to at least try and drag the team by the scruff of the neck when the chips are down. Every team has one.... Except us. Yeah my point was aimed at the general view that these players have “for many years” downed tools etc. I was just thinking about it today and actually, it’s just an easy get out to give Ainsworth some slack. We may lack leaders but I don’t think lack of effort is the main issue. It’s just that we don’t know what we’re doing. There is a complete lack of clarity in message from the manager and his message is tactics from the dark ages.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2023 9:22:25 GMT
Few points. I did mention Field as a leader above. Sinclair Armstrong tries but is so far from this level it's just glaringly obvious and that's a different debate altogether. Paal has done ok but he's no leader. Dozzell the very same. I want to see a player who we can rely on or count on to at least try and drag the team by the scruff of the neck when the chips are down. Every team has one.... Except us. Yeah my point was aimed at the general view that these players have “for many years” downed tools etc. I was just thinking about it today and actually, it’s just an easy get out to give Ainsworth some slack. We may lack leaders but I don’t think lack of effort is the main issue. It’s just that we don’t know what we’re doing. There is a complete lack of clarity in message from the manager and his message is tactics from the dark ages. I've never once used the term downed tools just to be clear. I said they're weak which I believe they are. Yes they're being led by a poor poor manager but when games are on, they can do so much more at times.
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Post by sparks on Oct 28, 2023 9:22:41 GMT
I think we've got to cut the players a little slack. Hear me out. If you were being told how to do your job - a job that you knew pretty well and how to do it properly - by a complete oaf, knowing that his directions would not only fail, but make you look much worse than you actually are - what would you do? I think the players deserve credit for trying to enact this oaf's 'plans' every week, despite knowing that they won't work. Get this oaf out of our club, get a decent manager in, and watch performances improve immediately.
Agree to a point hub but some of the goals we concede is simply down to the players. The manager is shit but he can't stop Larkeche squaring a simple ball to a Coventry striker, or Ozzy Kaykay being out of position 20 times a game & getting caught out, or every other shit goal we've conceded. I agree the buck stops with GA and I think he needs to go but this lot are so weak. It’s inevitable that due to how the team is being set up during the 90+ mins that one of ours is going to drop a clanger, Cook has been culpable a couple of times, they all have. We have no natural threat of scoring, we’re purely relying on oppo dropping a clanger.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2023 9:23:32 GMT
Agree to a point hub but some of the goals we concede is simply down to the players. The manager is shit but he can't stop Larkeche squaring a simple ball to a Coventry striker, or Ozzy Kaykay being out of position 20 times a game & getting caught out, or every other shit goal we've conceded. I agree the buck stops with GA and I think he needs to go but this lot are so weak. It’s inevitable that due to how the team is being set up during the 90+ mins that one of ours is going to drop a clanger, Cook has been culpable a couple of times, they all have. We have no natural threat of scoring, we’re relying on oppo dropping a clanger. Correct. Shit from the club to not have a half decent striker to give us a threat at least. Unforgivable starting a season like that.
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Post by hubble on Oct 28, 2023 9:41:07 GMT
I think we've got to cut the players a little slack. Hear me out. If you were being told how to do your job - a job that you knew pretty well and how to do it properly - by a complete oaf, knowing that his directions would not only fail, but make you look much worse than you actually are - what would you do? I think the players deserve credit for trying to enact this oaf's 'plans' every week, despite knowing that they won't work. Get this oaf out of our club, get a decent manager in, and watch performances improve immediately.
Agree to a point hub but some of the goals we concede is simply down to the players. The manager is shit but he can't stop Larkeche squaring a simple ball to a Coventry striker, or Ozzy Kaykay being out of position 20 times a game & getting caught out, or every other shit goal we've conceded. I agree the buck stops with GA and I think he needs to go but this lot are so weak. Kakay is poor Jimmy, no doubt about it. Larkeche should never have been played when and how he was by Oafsworth, he basically hung him out to dry. Starting Adomah v Hudds. A myriad of examples. The squad is thin, but there's quality in there if it's coached right. I have no illusions that we can win every game, but we absolutely could have got results (draws instead of losses, wins instead of draws) against Coventry, Birmingham, Swansea, Sunderland, Birmingham, West Brom, Blackburn and Huddersfield, with these players, under a proper manager.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2023 9:43:30 GMT
Agree to a point hub but some of the goals we concede is simply down to the players. The manager is shit but he can't stop Larkeche squaring a simple ball to a Coventry striker, or Ozzy Kaykay being out of position 20 times a game & getting caught out, or every other shit goal we've conceded. I agree the buck stops with GA and I think he needs to go but this lot are so weak. Kakay is poor Jimmy, no doubt about it. Larkeche should never have been played when and how he was by Oafsworth, he basically hung him out to dry. Starting Adomah v Hudds. A myriad of examples. The squad is thin, but there's quality in there if it's coached right. I have no illusions that we can win every game, but we absolutely could have got results (draws instead of losses, wins instead of draws) against Coventry, Birmingham, Swansea, Sunderland, Birmingham, West Brom, Blackburn and Huddersfield, with these players, under a proper manager. I agree 100%
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 28, 2023 10:00:06 GMT
We have enough to be a mediocre mid-table team - and we’d all take that now.
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Oct 28, 2023 10:02:46 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Oct 28, 2023 10:02:46 GMT
We have enough to be a mediocre mid-table team - and we’d all take that now. agree we absolutely do.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2023 10:51:51 GMT
2 of those 6 are Sinclair Armstrong and Field. I don’t think they have downed tools ever. Then Paal who has actually done ok this season. Dozzell is better than last season. Last season I never had issue with Chairs effort. Few points. I did mention Field as a leader above. Sinclair Armstrong tries but is so far from this level it's just glaringly obvious and that's a different debate altogether. Paal has done ok but he's no leader. Dozzell the very same. I want to see a player who we can rely on or count on to at least try and drag the team by the scruff of the neck when the chips are down. Every team has one.... Except us. Cook and Colback were supposed to be those. The bigger problems have been the failure to buy a decent striker as goals will always give you something to cling on to at the other end; and of course the manager. Agree we have too many weak-minded players too.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2023 11:44:02 GMT
Few points. I did mention Field as a leader above. Sinclair Armstrong tries but is so far from this level it's just glaringly obvious and that's a different debate altogether. Paal has done ok but he's no leader. Dozzell the very same. I want to see a player who we can rely on or count on to at least try and drag the team by the scruff of the neck when the chips are down. Every team has one.... Except us. Cook and Colback were supposed to be those. The bigger problems have been the failure to buy a decent striker as goals will always give you something to cling on to at the other end; and of course the manager. Agree we have some weak-minded players too. I do see natural leadership in both of those but for one reason or another they've hardly played. Not ideal.
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Oct 28, 2023 12:09:02 GMT
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 28, 2023 12:09:02 GMT
This squad has no balls. They're mentally weak. Even Colback. And only a few even work hard.
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Oct 28, 2023 12:13:50 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 28, 2023 12:13:50 GMT
Colback has surprised and disappointed me. Thought he’d be busy, get after people, set example but he’s just here for the ride.
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Oct 28, 2023 12:24:59 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Oct 28, 2023 12:24:59 GMT
Colback has surprised and disappointed me. Thought he’d be busy, get after people, set example but he’s just here for the ride. same think he started well but as the pressure has built he’s shrunk. Strikes me as a type of player who would be very good in a team doing well but coming up short in a team struggling.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 29, 2023 20:22:53 GMT
the players are gutless wankers Chicken and egg? Ainsworth turned them into gutless wankers but we have a core of a decent mid-table side that just needs the right manager, organisation and leadership? Or even with that (say under Warnock or whoever your preferred choice is) they would still be gutless wankers?
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Post by oldr on Oct 29, 2023 20:27:41 GMT
Ainsworth turned up and tried to get them to do the Haka and convince them that they were really 3rd tier players up against it at this level...
Would you want to play for him?
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Oct 30, 2023 9:35:13 GMT
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 30, 2023 9:35:13 GMT
the players are gutless wankers Chicken and egg? Ainsworth turned them into gutless wankers but we have a core of a decent mid-table side that just needs the right manager, organisation and leadership? Or even with that (say under Warnock or whoever your preferred choice is) they would still be gutless wankers? I'd argue they turned into gutless wankers before Beale left. They had downed tools, perhaps because of the uncertainty around Beale going to Wolves and all that. They certainly didn't play for Critchley. They were already gutless wankers before Ainsworth came in. Ainsworth's tactics were dire for sure and him going was absolutely the right move but I'm worried no manager will be able to get a tune out of this lot, which puts us bang in trouble really.
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Post by MattyRangers on Oct 30, 2023 9:39:59 GMT
the players are gutless wankers Chicken and egg? Ainsworth turned them into gutless wankers but we have a core of a decent mid-table side that just needs the right manager, organisation and leadership? Or even with that (say under Warnock or whoever your preferred choice is) they would still be gutless wankers? This is miles off the mark Stan mate. Look at Critchley's tenure. Even back to the end of Warbs. They're a pathetic bunch, regardless who is at the helm.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 30, 2023 9:43:16 GMT
Chicken and egg? Ainsworth turned them into gutless wankers but we have a core of a decent mid-table side that just needs the right manager, organisation and leadership? Or even with that (say under Warnock or whoever your preferred choice is) they would still be gutless wankers? I'd argue they turned into gutless wankers before Beale left. They had downed tools, perhaps because of the uncertainty around Beale going to Wolves and all that. They certainly didn't play for Critchley. They were already gutless wankers before Ainsworth came in. Ainsworth's tactics were dire for sure and him going was absolutely the right move but I'm worried no manager will be able to get a tune out of this lot, which puts us bang in trouble really. The first bit I agree with you on. The second bit I'm a bit more confident than you about.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 30, 2023 9:43:41 GMT
Chicken and egg? Ainsworth turned them into gutless wankers but we have a core of a decent mid-table side that just needs the right manager, organisation and leadership? Or even with that (say under Warnock or whoever your preferred choice is) they would still be gutless wankers? This is miles off the mark Stan mate. Look at Critchley's tenure. Even back to the end of Warbs. They're a pathetic bunch, regardless who is at the helm. Agree with this but think NW if he comes can pick these up, especially our better players. Weak group.
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Post by MattyRangers on Oct 30, 2023 9:45:30 GMT
Yea NW is a master of the man management and getting players back in their groove (if it is NW I am praying he can get a tune out of Willock).
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 30, 2023 9:47:03 GMT
Yea NW is a master of the man management and getting players back in their groove (if it is NW I am praying he can get a tune out of Willock). He'll make him feel 10 feet tall & I'd guarantee he starts. That's his MO
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Post by sparks on Oct 30, 2023 9:48:12 GMT
Chicken and egg? Ainsworth turned them into gutless wankers but we have a core of a decent mid-table side that just needs the right manager, organisation and leadership? Or even with that (say under Warnock or whoever your preferred choice is) they would still be gutless wankers? I'd argue they turned into gutless wankers before Beale left. They had downed tools, perhaps because of the uncertainty around Beale going to Wolves and all that. They certainly didn't play for Critchley. They were already gutless wankers before Ainsworth came in. Ainsworth's tactics were dire for sure and him going was absolutely the right move but I'm worried no manager will be able to get a tune out of this lot, which puts us bang in trouble really. Cheer up, it may never happen.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 30, 2023 9:49:12 GMT
Yea NW is a master of the man management and getting players back in their groove (if it is NW I am praying he can get a tune out of Willock). He'll make him feel 10 feet tall & I'd guarantee he starts. That's his MO Ditto even Richards? (Suggested same on other thread) If anyone could Warnock could I'd say. Taarabt's career was going nowhere until he signed him. Not saying they're in the same league but example remains
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