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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 7, 2024 15:44:19 GMT
Fair comment,just wonder what the 2500 that went to Derby think for example. Deserve better than that? Well I was one of them Bill. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 7, 2024 15:44:48 GMT
Worrying that, apart from Nardi, everyone would bench all our signings one way or another. Well not everyone Al. Not sure I’ve seen any really positive comments about any of them….? |
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Post by Bill on Oct 7, 2024 15:49:09 GMT
Fair comment,just wonder what the 2500 that went to Derby think for example. Deserve better than that? Well I was one of them Bill. Well done,health reasons i cant go but ive watched it on a recording. Just curious what could you take as positive out of that game and the 3 previous. For me we were overun and bullied,same 3 previous imo. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 7, 2024 16:38:38 GMT
That sun affected you Alan,Dembele and Kiki are just weak and at present contributing nothing to the team this league demands. Bench them both at best.Seems we're benching everyone, so what would be your actual team Bill? I know you've said Lloyd, but what about the other ten? |
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Post by hal9thou on Oct 7, 2024 17:24:10 GMT
Three geezers in the middle. Colback, Field and (less of a geezer) EDB. We're getting murdered there time and again. Agree, but if you do go 4-3-3 you need someone who can spot the pass and turn those defenders, hence Dembele gets a bit of game time between the big fellas. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 7, 2024 17:37:59 GMT
Three geezers in the middle. Colback, Field and (less of a geezer) EDB. We're getting murdered there time and again. Agree, but if you do go 4-3-3 you need someone who can spot the pass and turn those defenders, hence Dembele gets a bit of game time between the big fellas. Yep. Dembele and Chair behind or beside Frey. With both expected to drop in and defend both fullbacks. I'd tell EDB he's got five games to make me pick him permanently, as I don't want to have ever again to pick those other two pointless fucks. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 7, 2024 17:42:20 GMT
How Paal gets on the team sheet every week is beyond me. Would it be any worse if Morgan Fox played at LB ? I very much doubt it...
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 7, 2024 17:53:30 GMT
How Paal gets on the team sheet every week is beyond me. Would it be any worse if Morgan Fox played at LB ? I very much doubt it... Fox been injured but would be worried if he was not brought in to steady the ship now, either at centre half to move Dunne to right back or if JCS back then Fox at left back. We need players prepared to get hurt for the cause. |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 7, 2024 19:07:12 GMT
How Paal gets on the team sheet every week is beyond me. Would it be any worse if Morgan Fox played at LB ? I very much doubt it... Paal’s played 70 times for us and been part of some good performances and on the few occasions we have been in good form, he’s been part of the side (Beale and Marti end of the season). He’s far from perfect but we have a lot more important issues than Paal at left back. Missing JCS and Colback and Varane means that we have zero physicality in central midfield and get dominated. Missing these guys also means that Dunne has to play centre half….hes not great there. But more importantly it means we have a piss poor right back. We can afford to have JCS out if we can move Field alongside Cook, Dunne to right back and play Colback and Varane in the middle. We have to have that structure in the side to stop conceding and match the physical side of the championship. I do think we have good forwards in Dembele, Chair and Saito but they need to have the ball in the right areas. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 8, 2024 8:43:33 GMT
Not sure I’ve seen any really positive comments about any of them….? My point was that the more outspoken posters may bench all of them, but I am sure there are other posters who wouldn't be giving up on them all just yet Al. I think most of them will look a lot better when played alongside some 'harder' team mates. At the moment we are seeing this soft underbelly. The trouble is that it is very easy to be down on the new signings, and the team, as we were nearly all excited for the new season but find ourselves bottom three. First half displays against Blackburn and Derby were not bad and were typical away performances. Varane then gives away the stupid red after having what was probably his best 45 min for us, then Derby the bloke scores a worldy header. Within seconds we had gifted them the second goal. Game over. It was only after this that we tried to get on the front foot. We have definitely seen we can play on the front foot. Spells against Hull were the best we have played all season but they punished us with their finishing. We could have been three nil up by the time they scored that opening goal and things may well have been much different. We need JCS back and we need to not be playing the two Danes together as they are too weak. Colbeck is a bit thick but he is a good player and we miss him as well. Then we have Chair coming back. If all three start I believe we are a very different proposition. I can't pretend I am not concerned though. I mentioned before Hull that the following three games may be season defining and we have subsequently lost two of them! |
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 8, 2024 9:47:16 GMT
Agree Croydon -just need a few back for a better balance.
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Post by Shania on Oct 8, 2024 9:58:59 GMT
Not sure I’ve seen any really positive comments about any of them….? My point was that the more outspoken posters may bench all of them, but I am sure there are other posters who wouldn't be giving up on them all just yet Al. I think most of them will look a lot better when played alongside some 'harder' team mates. At the moment we are seeing this soft underbelly. The trouble is that it is very easy to be down on the new signings, and the team, as we were nearly all excited for the new season but find ourselves bottom three. First half displays against Blackburn and Derby were not bad and were typical away performances. Varane then gives away the stupid red after having what was probably his best 45 min for us, then Derby the bloke scores a worldy header. Within seconds we had gifted them the second goal. Game over. It was only after this that we tried to get on the front foot. We have definitely seen we can play on the front foot. Spells against Hull were the best we have played all season but they punished us with their finishing. We could have been three nil up by the time they scored that opening goal and things may well have been much different. We need JCS back and we need to not be playing the two Danes together as they are too weak. Colbeck is a bit thick but he is a good player and we miss him as well. Then we have Chair coming back. If all three start I believe we are a very different proposition. I can't pretend I am not concerned though. I mentioned before Hull that the following three games may be season defining and we have subsequently lost two of them! Ideally we need to replace Colback. |
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Post by coneysboots on Oct 8, 2024 10:03:17 GMT
My point was that the more outspoken posters may bench all of them, but I am sure there are other posters who wouldn't be giving up on them all just yet Al. I think most of them will look a lot better when played alongside some 'harder' team mates. At the moment we are seeing this soft underbelly. The trouble is that it is very easy to be down on the new signings, and the team, as we were nearly all excited for the new season but find ourselves bottom three. First half displays against Blackburn and Derby were not bad and were typical away performances. Varane then gives away the stupid red after having what was probably his best 45 min for us, then Derby the bloke scores a worldy header. Within seconds we had gifted them the second goal. Game over. It was only after this that we tried to get on the front foot. We have definitely seen we can play on the front foot. Spells against Hull were the best we have played all season but they punished us with their finishing. We could have been three nil up by the time they scored that opening goal and things may well have been much different. We need JCS back and we need to not be playing the two Danes together as they are too weak. Colbeck is a bit thick but he is a good player and we miss him as well. Then we have Chair coming back. If all three start I believe we are a very different proposition. I can't pretend I am not concerned though. I mentioned before Hull that the following three games may be season defining and we have subsequently lost two of them! But not now. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 8, 2024 10:05:44 GMT
Ideally we need to replace Colback. But not now. Bingo. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 8, 2024 10:46:26 GMT
Not sure I’ve seen any really positive comments about any of them….? My point was that the more outspoken posters may bench all of them, but I am sure there are other posters who wouldn't be giving up on them all just yet Al. I think most of them will look a lot better when played alongside some 'harder' team mates. At the moment we are seeing this soft underbelly. The trouble is that it is very easy to be down on the new signings, and the team, as we were nearly all excited for the new season but find ourselves bottom three. First half displays against Blackburn and Derby were not bad and were typical away performances. Varane then gives away the stupid red after having what was probably his best 45 min for us, then Derby the bloke scores a worldy header. Within seconds we had gifted them the second goal. Game over. It was only after this that we tried to get on the front foot. We have definitely seen we can play on the front foot. Spells against Hull were the best we have played all season but they punished us with their finishing. We could have been three nil up by the time they scored that opening goal and things may well have been much different. We need JCS back and we need to not be playing the two Danes together as they are too weak. Colbeck is a bit thick but he is a good player and we miss him as well. Then we have Chair coming back. If all three start I believe we are a very different proposition. I can't pretend I am not concerned though. I mentioned before Hull that the following three games may be season defining and we have subsequently lost two of them! Don’t disagree with any of that but you would expect to have seen something from the newcomers to suggest promise - he’s good in the air/he goes past a man/ got a shot on him…..something. I posted that I liked how Dembele is open and on the turn when he takes a ball a lets it go across his feet only to read later in threads from Westy and others that he’s not all that. They’ve had enough games now to show us something about their game to suggest why we went for them. |
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Post by The General on Oct 8, 2024 11:01:09 GMT
My point was that the more outspoken posters may bench all of them, but I am sure there are other posters who wouldn't be giving up on them all just yet Al. I think most of them will look a lot better when played alongside some 'harder' team mates. At the moment we are seeing this soft underbelly. The trouble is that it is very easy to be down on the new signings, and the team, as we were nearly all excited for the new season but find ourselves bottom three. First half displays against Blackburn and Derby were not bad and were typical away performances. Varane then gives away the stupid red after having what was probably his best 45 min for us, then Derby the bloke scores a worldy header. Within seconds we had gifted them the second goal. Game over. It was only after this that we tried to get on the front foot. We have definitely seen we can play on the front foot. Spells against Hull were the best we have played all season but they punished us with their finishing. We could have been three nil up by the time they scored that opening goal and things may well have been much different. We need JCS back and we need to not be playing the two Danes together as they are too weak. Colbeck is a bit thick but he is a good player and we miss him as well. Then we have Chair coming back. If all three start I believe we are a very different proposition. I can't pretend I am not concerned though. I mentioned before Hull that the following three games may be season defining and we have subsequently lost two of them! Don’t disagree with any of that but you would expect to have seen something from the newcomers to suggest promise - he’s good in the air/he goes past a man/ got a shot on him…..something. I posted that I liked how Dembele is open and on the turn when he takes a ball a lets it go across his feet only to read later in threads from Westy and others that he’s not all that. They’ve had enough games now to show us something about their game to suggest why we went for them. I dont think posters are saying bin them off Al just integrate them into the team when things are going better until that time they need to sit on the bench we need points at the moment and do not have the luxury of bedding in a whole new midfield , jcs and colback out of the team is hurting us very badly also chair for 12 games our best player who makes things happen on the pitch The whole team needs players that are strong with a little bit of Dembele and Chair thrown in this is a tough league weak players will not win matches |
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Post by Bill on Oct 8, 2024 11:07:26 GMT
Don’t disagree with any of that but you would expect to have seen something from the newcomers to suggest promise - he’s good in the air/he goes past a man/ got a shot on him…..something. I posted that I liked how Dembele is open and on the turn when he takes a ball a lets it go across his feet only to read later in threads from Westy and others that he’s not all that. They’ve had enough games now to show us something about their game to suggest why we went for them. I dont think posters are saying bin them off Al just integrate them into the team when things are going better until that time they need to sit on the bench we need points at the moment and do not have the luxury of bedding in a whole new midfield , jcs and colback out of the team is hurting us very badly also chair for 12 games our best player who makes things happen on the pitch The whole team needs players that are strong with a little bit of Dembele and Chair thrown in this is a tough league weak players will not win matches Yes a gradual introduction until they feel they can cope,bless them. |
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Post by The General on Oct 8, 2024 11:27:22 GMT
The whole reason this is happening is our midfield at present is full of piss weak players
You can have flair on both wings but you need strength in the middle EG HADEN
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 8, 2024 11:51:10 GMT
The team that finished last season with promise had a super fit Chair putting in amazing shifts week on week, half a Willock and Hayden. Chair on his way back but a summer window has passed and we’re not as good. We’ve brought in quantity not quality and needed experience as well to balance the squad. Too many, and it looks too soon, for most of them.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 8, 2024 12:40:58 GMT
The way we're leaking goals we may need to go 5-4-1 to stop the rot (injuries permitting)😅
Nardi
Dunne Cook JCS Fox Paal
Chair Colback Field Dembele
Frey
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 9, 2024 9:51:29 GMT
I’ll go along with all the positive and optimistic comments for a bit longer but we’re on course for 35/36 points at the moment - nowhere near enough. The way we play has to click or change very soon or we’ll be panic buying in January.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 12, 2024 11:39:43 GMT
We are all backing him right now but if we go 5-6 consecutive defeats before Christmas I think he has to go and bet most of us would agree then.
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Post by Greg1882 on Oct 12, 2024 11:59:42 GMT
The issue with that team is in the middle of the park. It’s blatantly obvious and has been for some time, I’ve been previously vocal about sam field especially and been shot down. He’s been here for some time now and all this field the shield is total and utter bollocks. Never looks like he’s got the ball properly under control, doesn’t pass forwards, isn’t quick and is a bit of a pansy with it. It’s not a surprise that rangers have been weak as piss for years in the centre of the park and he’s been ever present. Gets a very easy ride from our support. Not saying the issue is solely him but he plays a massive part in why we are so passive and easy to play against
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 12, 2024 12:04:16 GMT
We are all backing him right now but if we go 5-6 consecutive defeats before Christmas I think he has to go and bet most of us would agree then. Then we’re back to the old problem of who? If the squad proves not to be good enough there’s no point switching manager. All very well Noury and co dictating a style of play - bring in the players that can play it. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 12, 2024 13:47:57 GMT
The honeymoon is over
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Post by West Acton on Oct 13, 2024 7:47:44 GMT
Before season fans were saying tie him down worried about him being poached now it’s how long will he last.
He’s going nowhere even if things don’t improve immediately. Not only have they extended him they have made a big deal of it by how they done it. He is their man lock stock and barrel.
If we went down (don’t think we will) it would be with Marti and he would I suspect still be in place to try and bring us back.
We drove out the last decent manager with expectations above where they should have been after a decent period let’s not do it a second time.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 13, 2024 8:56:05 GMT
Before season fans were saying tie him down worried about him being poached now it’s how long will he last. He’s going nowhere even if things don’t improve immediately. Not only have they extended him they have made a big deal of it by how they done it. He is their man lock stock and barrel. If we went down (don’t think we will) it would be with Marti and he would I suspect still be in place to try and bring us back.
We drove out the last decent manager with expectations above where they should have been after a decent period let’s not do it a second time. This time last season people were saying exactly the same about Ainsworth as he knew League One. If we go down Marti will be sacked 100 %. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 13, 2024 9:01:08 GMT
Ainsworth regardless of what league we were in Doc was the wrong man and fit for the club and should never have been in consideration for the job let alone got it.
Marti has shown he can do it and get a tune out of players with us Ainsworth never.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 13, 2024 9:28:00 GMT
Easy to say at this stage but if we are bottom of the league come January even you will change your mind.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 13, 2024 9:43:42 GMT
Don’t think I will on this occasion but 🤞🏾 it’s not something I will need too consider.
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