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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2024 8:41:09 GMT
What a massive change from previous windows So many players signed from abroad. Nardi - Gent Santos - Estrella ds Amorda Morrison - Bayern Bennie - Perth Glory Celar - Lugano Yes, French playing in Belgium, Brazilian playing in Portugal, Scot playing in Germany, Slovenian playing in Switzerland and an Aussie for good measure. we have certainly cast the net. I think it means that our approach to player recruitment now is very different. Just how, who and how come, matters not if they are good signings. We have seen scouts (that I did not know we had) posting their goodbyes, and our head coach being very circumspect until confirmed signing, but clearly involved. But I think that there is a good working relationship between Nourry and Marti. Unusually, we have read that Marti is very keen on Varane, so I would be surprised if he is not the next cab on the rank. Belik was and still is Head of Recruitment. So one of the takeaways has to be that less is more. Removing layers of decision making has simplified our processes and saved money and time. A bit of a ramble but: Great business so far - cleared out the deadwood and made good signings (on paper) plus add the "development" players they have brought in and we are looking good. Just need Martin to gel them into the team of his style and we will be doing well. I expect we will see a few other moves before the window closes and I just hope we can keep hold of Chair and JCS. If not get the right fee for JCS that will fund us for a season. If Armstrong is 1,5 to 2.0 million you can add on a zero for JCS. I've said many times that a good striker from the Championship is expensive and been shouted down - but Sinclair v's Celar for the roughly same amount of money............ I expect we will hold on to Dykes who Marti likes, and even, as a long shot, hope with those new names around him he might bag a few more goals. Can't see anyone offering decent money for him now so he needs a decent season to get his value up unless we have another Celar lined up so Dykes can go cheap. The most important thing from this window so far is Nourry's "farewell" (or get lost) comments on the Sinclair transfer. Clearly told people like Willock and Sinclair if you don't want to be part of what we are doing will be moved on for a fee - and before you run down your contract. Sends a message to fans and other players - we are being run properly as a business where the club comes first and player egos will not get in the way. I wonder how Begovic is feeling. Could have been a back up keeper/coach with us but now all his big money doors have been slammed in his face. Maybe a Saudi Prince is his last hope or Division 2. Good news though is what we saved on his wages probably pays for 2 of the new ones in.
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Post by Corbray on Jul 20, 2024 8:44:11 GMT
i'm loving the new approach and business orientated transfers. for years we've been to naive and sentimental and as a result have lost out on large sums of money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2024 8:52:06 GMT
The absolutely bonkers Gaz days of emptying the tank, Hakas and cowboy boots already seem a loooooooong time ago. So looking forward to the new season. Not expecting miracles, but definitely looking forward to getting some respect back at and for the club. Strange thing is that in pure numbers of player comings and goings we are not going to be far short or even ahead of what we have done in recent windows. The BIG difference is it looks like we have got rid of the c**p and brought in some talent instead of signing "ones for the future" or inexperienced who we hope can make a step up. Why ? - Partly because we were strapped by FFP in recent windows but less so today and partly because as a club we have cleared out / replaced unnecessary back room staff and are being run by a CEO and Manager who both seem to be on the same page and know what they are doing.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 20, 2024 8:52:16 GMT
Agree with most of above, particularly how hard it is to find that elusive 20 goal a season striker and how well we SEEM to have done in attracting the most highly-rated striker here since Nakki.
But re Dykes, Marti and Noury are not stupid - if blackburn follow thru with their apparent interest think he will be off faster than Jack Coleback after one of his red mist tackles.
One point overlooked re Celar is it it said in the welcome package that he played something like 47 games last season, has only had 3 weeks off but says “i’m rested and ready to go.” Obvs injuries etc can destroy the best laid plans but he sounds an absolute beast.
Assuming we play just one up top am not sure Dykes would get much of a chance and then we can use Frey as an impact sub.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 20, 2024 8:56:39 GMT
Big up Jimmy, proper ITK fella. What a fantastic signing, along with Heverton and Liam Morrison, and coming off the back of an (alleged) unexpectedly fat fee for Armstrong, and with Marti at the helm, this feels like the most positive close season in a long while. Got a feeling there might be a few more to come. 2024/25... Bring it on! Agree. Also doesn’t do any of this billy big bollocks “my sources tell me” or it’s prick teasing equivalent “it’s all im allowed to say”. Doesn’t tell us too many transfers but when he does it’s the big one. All that said Jimmy, any other news….?
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jul 20, 2024 9:00:19 GMT
Think Marti has been taking lessons from Nourry LOL
QPR head coach Marti Cifuentes has paid tribute to Chris Willock and Asmir Begovic after both left the club following the expiration of their contracts. Willock was one of Rangers’ key attacking threats during the early part of his four-year stay at Loftus Road before a succession of injuries limited his influence. The 26-year-old has signed for fellow Championship side Cardiff City after the club was unable to agree terms on an extension with the player. “We need to be grateful and happy for the contribution of Chrissy at QPR over the last couple of years,” said the Rangers boss. “Obviously he had a good impact. When I came [in as head coach in October 2023], he was not in a good moment, but he helped us and we helped each other to try and achieve what we wanted. “Now it is his decision to find something else and that is something we respect. “At the same time it is very important we find the right players that really want to play for QPR. “In that sense, we are only grateful for his contribution. [He is a] great lad and I wish him all the best in Cardiff.” Also among nine players to leave QPR at the end of their contract was last season’s captain Asmir Begovic. The experienced goalkeeper featured in all but one of Rangers’ Championship fixtures last terms but could not come to an agreement with the club to extend his stay. French goalkeeper Paul Nardi has since been signed after he left Belgian club Gent at the end of last season. “It’s always hard to see players leave when they have been important, when they have contributed to achieving something good. Especially when they are such good professionals and role models as Asmir is,” said Cifuentes. “He had a fantastic season for us, helping a lot through his leadership as well. “It seems that it was not possible to continue and then we signed a very good ‘keeper instead. “I think this is part of football. It is part of the process and we are definitely grateful for his contribution.”
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Post by Corbray on Jul 20, 2024 9:38:39 GMT
Big up Jimmy, proper ITK fella. What a fantastic signing, along with Heverton and Liam Morrison, and coming off the back of an (alleged) unexpectedly fat fee for Armstrong, and with Marti at the helm, this feels like the most positive close season in a long while. Got a feeling there might be a few more to come. 2024/25... Bring it on! Agree. Also doesn’t do any of this billy big bollocks “my sources tell me” or it’s prick teasing equivalent “it’s all im allowed to say”. Doesn’t tell us too many transfers but when he does it’s the big one. All that said Jimmy, any other news….? jimmy told me that we're set to bring vini jr and rodri to the club. can't wait to see them in the hoops!
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Post by West Acton on Jul 20, 2024 19:49:19 GMT
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 20, 2024 19:57:19 GMT
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Post by Corbray on Jul 20, 2024 22:25:48 GMT
yes please
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 20, 2024 22:33:19 GMT
Good age too
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Post by jfrabbit on Jul 20, 2024 22:53:08 GMT
Big up Jimmy, proper ITK fella. What a fantastic signing, along with Heverton and Liam Morrison, and coming off the back of an (alleged) unexpectedly fat fee for Armstrong, and with Marti at the helm, this feels like the most positive close season in a long while. Got a feeling there might be a few more to come. 2024/25... Bring it on! Agree. Also doesn’t do any of this billy big bollocks “my sources tell me” or it’s prick teasing equivalent “it’s all im allowed to say”. Doesn’t tell us too many transfers but when he does it’s the big one. All that said Jimmy, any other news….? No one likes an arsehole eh Stains No, but meeting him Monday for a bit of scran so will ask.
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Post by jfrabbit on Jul 20, 2024 22:54:55 GMT
Agree. Also doesn’t do any of this billy big bollocks “my sources tell me” or it’s prick teasing equivalent “it’s all im allowed to say”. Doesn’t tell us too many transfers but when he does it’s the big one. All that said Jimmy, any other news….? jimmy told me that we're set to bring vini jr and rodri to the club. can't wait to see them in the hoops! Rodri seems unlikely now but seems we've turned our attentions to Lamal. Fingers crossed!
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 21, 2024 8:06:00 GMT
Lamal? Far too young. We’d send him to Dag and Red for four years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 11:14:13 GMT
Still slight chatter that we are interested in striker Ike Ugbo who wants to go back to Sheff Wed where he was on loan last season. Being reported Wednesday have had an increased bid of 3 million knocked back by his home club and cannot go higher. Brum also showing some interest.
If any of that is true I think we probably need some of the Eze money if we are interested and he would be a step up from Dykes. Then of course ...click click....
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jul 23, 2024 11:33:24 GMT
Birmingham said to be interested in signing Jay Stansfield, with Fulham quoting a price of up to £6m apparently. Birmingham made big losses last year and so far have spent £13m in this window, twice breaking the record transfer fee for the division. Stansfield at that price will be a hat-trick of records, if it happens. They can spend what they like in the third tier, provided it is guaranteed by the owners. The problem comes once promoted back to the Championship, as the season in League One counts as one year for FFP purposes. So a FFP breach looking unavoidable. So they are either intent on spending so much cash so that they can do an Ipswich and pass straight through, or they are saying that the points deduction is worth taking the risk. Really risky strategy, just ask Tony Fernandes…
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 23, 2024 11:52:55 GMT
Birmingham said to be interested in signing Jay Stansfield, with Fulham quoting a price of up to £6m apparently. Birmingham made big losses last year and so far have spent £13m in this window, twice breaking the record transfer fee for the division. Stansfield at that price will be a hat-trick of records, if it happens. They can spend what they like in the third tier, provided it is guaranteed by the owners. The problem comes once promoted back to the Championship, as the season in League One counts as one year for FFP purposes.So a FFP breach looking unavoidable. So they are either intent on spending so much cash so that they can do an Ipswich and pass straight through, or they are saying that the points deduction is worth taking the risk. Really risky strategy, just ask Tony Fernandes… I thought SMCP applied to third tier downwards? Looking at the regs (which btw give you an insight into the massive admin / paperwork load required at lower levels just to go comply with the basic framework) I'm not 100% sure if you're correct. SMCP applies spending criteria but its the retrospective sanction bit I can't find in the thicket of SMCP paperwork......
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 23, 2024 13:00:21 GMT
All seems quiet today. Still hoping we manage to get Varane over the line and we manage to get Hayden and another striker. Think we’ll be lucky to get one out of those three - I’d settle for Hayden unless any cash is made available if Eze moves. If Armstrong went for 1.5-2.0 what are going to have to spend?
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 23, 2024 13:51:51 GMT
Does this Barry Burn have credibility?
@rabbit any news mate?
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jul 23, 2024 14:10:51 GMT
Birmingham said to be interested in signing Jay Stansfield, with Fulham quoting a price of up to £6m apparently. Birmingham made big losses last year and so far have spent £13m in this window, twice breaking the record transfer fee for the division. Stansfield at that price will be a hat-trick of records, if it happens. They can spend what they like in the third tier, provided it is guaranteed by the owners. The problem comes once promoted back to the Championship, as the season in League One counts as one year for FFP purposes.So a FFP breach looking unavoidable. So they are either intent on spending so much cash so that they can do an Ipswich and pass straight through, or they are saying that the points deduction is worth taking the risk. Really risky strategy, just ask Tony Fernandes… I thought SMCP applied to third tier downwards? Looking at the regs (which btw give you an insight into the massive admin / paperwork load required at lower levels just to go comply with the basic framework) I'm not 100% sure if you're correct. SMCP applies spending criteria but its the retrospective sanction bit I can't find in the thicket of SMCP paperwork...... In league One they have SMCP. It is a salary cap based on income. But with a very generous definition of income. Full explanation here: www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/financial-fair-play-you-need-888037As it is income and not profit based, owners can inject limitless cash investment as equity (not loans) if they wish to (all counts as income) - and Birmingham's owners are presumably doing just that. Plus, player sales are pure income (no adjustment for book value etc.).in Lague One. The problem can come though if when promoted they made a huge loss to get there, that year is a year of their FFP calculation, once back in the Championship. But of course, provided their owners invest and invest as equity in League One, they will not be making a SMCP loss. But once promoted, they start with a base of high wages and high amortization, and the owners can no longer count equity as income once back in the Championship. That is why they are trying to build a team fit for the Championships, because once they return, they will have little wriggle room to acquire more players within the different calculation for FFP. Ipswich proved it is possible to spend big and wisely in League One, and then pass straight through the Championship. It can be done, but it is a delicate balance.
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Post by ub2r on Jul 23, 2024 20:35:34 GMT
Seen a few teams on Twitter featuring players we are linked with. Few times I’ve seen a Moroccan winger included but can’t remember the fellas name. Anyone else know who it was ?
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 23, 2024 20:40:30 GMT
Here's how Sam on Twitter sees us lining up assuming Varane joins us.
I love the look of that team, although I'd have Santos on the right wing, not Smyth. He's probably put that together after the Spurs game, where imo Smyth was superb. Best game he's had for us. Santos was good but will obviously need time to find his feet.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 23, 2024 20:54:48 GMT
Sell on clauses are encouraging too. If one is being spoken of/negotiated it does suggest a good buy in the first place. Unless it’s double bluff like us insisting on one with Armstrong…
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Post by Shania on Jul 23, 2024 21:32:06 GMT
Seen a few teams on Twitter featuring players we are linked with. Few times I’ve seen a Moroccan winger included but can’t remember the fellas name. Anyone else know who it was ? Nordine Kandil I think his name was.
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Post by ub2r on Jul 24, 2024 5:52:05 GMT
Thanks Shania. That’s the fella
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 24, 2024 8:20:32 GMT
All these rumours suggest we are in the market for a defensive midfielder and possibly a right winger which sounds about the right level of priority.
Pep in the papers saying KDB not going anywhere - so if Eze going, probably not to Manchester
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 24, 2024 9:22:35 GMT
All these rumours suggest we are in the market for a defensive midfielder and possibly a right winger which sounds about the right level of priority. Pep in the papers saying KDB not going anywhere - so if Eze going, probably not to Manchester Silva wants away too so you never know
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 24, 2024 9:57:04 GMT
I've seen one very short clip of Varane and read a couple of real newspaper match reports - not twitters. According to what I have seen /read he is a very solid in defence winning and retaining the ball rather than hoofing into the stands or giving away a foul. He is good on the ball, an accurate and intelligent passer and good going forward and behind a front man. Sounds the perfect match end to end player and a lot younger than Hayden. He should fit straight into the team once he has learnt Marti's requirements. His coach says another season and he will be ready for the PL - maybe a tactic to keep him - but this makes me think that at his age if he is really that good a wizz kid he would already be on the books and playing for a good French or Spanish PL team. On the other hand if his coach is right and we can pick him up for 3 million or so we could get a couple of good seasons out of him and sell him at 5 or 10 times what we paid for him. No real proof of any of that and it may well be that there is more than a bit of game playing to try to get the price up. Buying lower with a sell on clause would be our best option imo as we are covered both ways. If he went to Metz he would be going to a league generally weaker than the Championship and not really a step forward in his career and if we cannot outbid Metz we are struggling. Agree with most of this but can't see us being able to spend anything like 3m up front without Eze moving (or at the very least Dykes). We must have already spent a lot (more than we got for Armstrong) on Cellar. I know FFP pressures have eased this year and we have got quite a lot of dead wood off the wage bill but we can't go crazy as FFP is calculated in a three year cycle and we need to avoid finding ourselves in the same financial fix we were last year. For context our star signing last window was Paul Smyth from Orient!
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Post by James1979 on Jul 24, 2024 10:03:28 GMT
I've seen one very short clip of Varane and read a couple of real newspaper match reports - not twitters. According to what I have seen /read he is a very solid in defence winning and retaining the ball rather than hoofing into the stands or giving away a foul. He is good on the ball, an accurate and intelligent passer and good going forward and behind a front man. Sounds the perfect match end to end player and a lot younger than Hayden. He should fit straight into the team once he has learnt Marti's requirements. His coach says another season and he will be ready for the PL - maybe a tactic to keep him - but this makes me think that at his age if he is really that good a wizz kid he would already be on the books and playing for a good French or Spanish PL team. On the other hand if his coach is right and we can pick him up for 3 million or so we could get a couple of good seasons out of him and sell him at 5 or 10 times what we paid for him. No real proof of any of that and it may well be that there is more than a bit of game playing to try to get the price up. Buying lower with a sell on clause would be our best option imo as we are covered both ways. If he went to Metz he would be going to a league generally weaker than the Championship and not really a step forward in his career and if we cannot outbid Metz we are struggling. Agree with most of this but can't see us being able to spend anything like 3m up front without Eze moving (or at the very least Dykes). We must have already spent a lot (more than we got for Armstrong) on Cellar. I know FFP pressures have eased this year and we have got quite a lot of dead wood off the wage bill but we can't go crazy as FFP is calculated in a three year cycle and we need to avoid finding ourselves in the same financial fix we were last year. For context our star signing last window was Paul Smyth from Orient! More tv money too. Also we are buying players that are of an age that we can later sell if needed.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 24, 2024 10:13:55 GMT
Agree with most of this but can't see us being able to spend anything like 3m up front without Eze moving (or at the very least Dykes). We must have already spent a lot (more than we got for Armstrong) on Cellar. I know FFP pressures have eased this year and we have got quite a lot of dead wood off the wage bill but we can't go crazy as FFP is calculated in a three year cycle and we need to avoid finding ourselves in the same financial fix we were last year. For context our star signing last window was Paul Smyth from Orient! More tv money too. Also we are buying players that are of an age that we can later sell if needed. I get that about sell-on potential and delighted with the new transfer strategy. But you would still need 3m up front - on the scenario discussed above - and there is no guarantee he can be sold at a profit: look at Dozzell. We still have the £39m loss over 3 seasons limit. Agree the TV deal helps and I get as excited about transfers as any fan. Just think its important, amid all the optimism, to remember that about a year ago a call went out to fans to help repaint a stand because we couldn't afford decorators...
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