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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Aug 2, 2024 9:22:04 GMT
Happy for both to be here … Paal realises he has to move on ,Frabotta (🤣the fat Italian) is our ongoing left back and bin Cannon for space and wages. January we re-calibrate but wondering if can’t do this because of wages for incoming attacking loan like the Palace youngster.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 2, 2024 9:27:50 GMT
"Take the gamble" - the phrase that should send fear through any QPR fan. How many times has this club "taken the gamble", and how often has it worked out? We came within a whisker of relegation two seasons running because of the last time we "took a gamble", which left us woefully short of funds. Fans think of the immediate window and that immediate player. The CEO needs to take a much broader view. I like that we are playing hardball these days. We lose the fat Italian? So what. There are other fat Italians out there. Maybe even a thin one. I bet until a few days ago not a single person on this board had even heard of him. Judging by the geographical range of our recruitment, we will have back up options if Paal does go late in the window. If you are buying a house you don't sign the contract on the new one until you are pretty sure you have sold your existing one. Even now we have very little money, and bigger priorities. Of course you are correct, however, we not only have 4 weeks of this window, but also the January window, to address any overindulgence. This is also slightly different because the Italian press has leaked the interest and the Paal pre-condition. Pure guesswork on my part, but I wonder if Paal wants to wind down his contract and not move anywhere this window, possibly being more interested in being a free agent to return closer to home. Such opportunities would not be there with his transfer value. But the prospect of playing him for another season, does not appeal to the club it seems (nor me!). I think that the shifting Paal is more about the current process in operation. If he jumps, that frees up the next one (not necessarily his replacement). If we buy and don't sell someone, the whole process stagnates. Not all "over-indulgences" can be addressed though. If, as some want, we sign the Fat Italian and Paal just runs down his contract ala Willock - or simply no one wants him - then we are stuck with three left backs we can't afford and quite possibly no number 10 because we have run out of money... |
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Aug 2, 2024 9:45:32 GMT
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Aug 2, 2024 9:53:59 GMT
Of course you are correct, however, we not only have 4 weeks of this window, but also the January window, to address any overindulgence. This is also slightly different because the Italian press has leaked the interest and the Paal pre-condition. Pure guesswork on my part, but I wonder if Paal wants to wind down his contract and not move anywhere this window, possibly being more interested in being a free agent to return closer to home. Such opportunities would not be there with his transfer value. But the prospect of playing him for another season, does not appeal to the club it seems (nor me!). I think that the shifting Paal is more about the current process in operation. If he jumps, that frees up the next one (not necessarily his replacement). If we buy and don't sell someone, the whole process stagnates. Not all "over-indulgences" can be addressed though. If, as some want, we sign the Fat Italian and Paal just runs down his contract ala Willock - or simply no one wants him - then we are stuck with three left backs we can't afford and quite possibly no number 10 because we have run out of money... Yes. There is always another Italian left back I agree, but we do not seem to be applying that mindset to Varane. I hope Varane is a tremendous find, because we have been very persistent, or so it appears, and he is not cheap for a club like ours. As for the number 10. I know he is currently injured, but I half expected some Chair transfer noise after the court conclusion, but we still have him and can expect good money if he moves on, to buy another. I think Kolli should be a worthy deputy, providing we do not rush his progress. Would like to read an extended contract for him asap. I am pleased that we are trying to conclude business early, but the biggest risk is that we lose a key player(s) so late we cannot replace them. Meanwhile, when does Eze return to training? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 11:20:22 GMT
I think we all know where are weak spots are but we do potentially have a new one looming. Lets pretend 1. Paal will not go to Watford as they have signed from elsewhere (Paal wanting too much money  ??) 2 We do not sign Frabotta because we have not moved Paal 3 Frabotta signs elsewhere as he will not wait for us 4 Last day(s )of the window someone offers 1 million or even 800k for Paal - what do we do take the money knowing we have a player who will not sign a new contract, we have no replacement signed or lined up and are left with Fox as our LB. Or turn down the money and keep an unhappy player who will walk for nothing at the end of season or half price at best in January if we find a replacement. My preference is take the gamble and sign Frabotta while he is available and use the next month to offload Paal. One less issue to deal with and we can get back to finding a striker. As I posted before we are already in the situation we do not want to be in with Paals contract so we need to take action and have the whole season to make up Frabottas fee if worse comes to worse. "Take the gamble" - the phrase that should send fear through any QPR fan. How many times has this club "taken the gamble", and how often has it worked out? We came within a whisker of relegation two seasons running because of the last time we "took a gamble", which left us woefully short of funds. Fans think of the immediate window and that immediate player. The CEO needs to take a much broader view. I like that we are playing hardball these days. We lose the fat Italian? So what. There are other fat Italians out there. Maybe even a thin one. I bet until a few days ago not a single person on this board had even heard of him. Judging by the geographical range of our recruitment, we will have back up options if Paal does go late in the window. If you are buying a house you don't sign the contract on the new one until you are pretty sure you have sold your existing one. Even now we have very little money, and bigger priorities. Ok I agree with that but just bad wording on my part. My sentiment is rather than take the gamble but take the initiative and put these overpaid money grabbing players in their place. The gambles you are referring to I think were far larger and more dangerous than signing a left back for a million. Highly likely we will sell someone in this window - if not definitely in January or sending a couple out on loan soon covers a million transfer fee. I do not think our new management are in the same class as the old school who took far too many gambles. Bottom line for me is get in a new left back now and put Paal in his place. Out of the team out on loan or sold. Why do we want to wait for a non committed player before moving forward. We wasted enough time on Willock who was just playing us for time and money - don't do it again with Paal |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 2, 2024 12:04:58 GMT
"Take the gamble" - the phrase that should send fear through any QPR fan. How many times has this club "taken the gamble", and how often has it worked out? We came within a whisker of relegation two seasons running because of the last time we "took a gamble", which left us woefully short of funds. Fans think of the immediate window and that immediate player. The CEO needs to take a much broader view. I like that we are playing hardball these days. We lose the fat Italian? So what. There are other fat Italians out there. Maybe even a thin one. I bet until a few days ago not a single person on this board had even heard of him. Judging by the geographical range of our recruitment, we will have back up options if Paal does go late in the window. If you are buying a house you don't sign the contract on the new one until you are pretty sure you have sold your existing one. Even now we have very little money, and bigger priorities. Ok I agree with that but just bad wording on my part. My sentiment is rather than take the gamble but take the initiative and put these overpaid money grabbing players in their place. The gambles you are referring to I think were far larger and more dangerous than signing a left back for a million. Highly likely we will sell someone in this window - if not definitely in January or sending a couple out on loan soon covers a million transfer fee. I do not think our new management are in the same class as the old school who took far too many gambles. Bottom line for me is get in a new left back now and put Paal in his place. Out of the team out on loan or sold. Why do we want to wait for a non committed player before moving forward. We wasted enough time on Willock who was just playing us for time and money - don't do it again with Paal I just think sometimes we have no choice. If you are Man City you shove the player in the reserves. We are still paying Paal's wages and we simply can't afford to pay those and bin him off to the development squad - unless Marti decides he is OK with Fox at left back, but Fox doesn't strike me a natural "Marti player". A million pounds is obviously the price of a Christmas party or a boardroom fish tank in the Premier League but in the post-covid Championship that's a big transfer fee (outside the parachute clubs). Until we bought Celar for an undisclosed amount (but most likely well over £1m) other than the lamentable Andre Dozzell its hard to think of another player we have paid a million quid for in the last few seasons. Might be the odd one but that's significant money for us. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 2, 2024 12:24:07 GMT
Agree with others think we have worked too hard off the park to take risks and gamble and in my personal opinion if we are going to gamble it would not be in left back position would be on a striker or proper attacking midfielder.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 12:31:24 GMT
I just think sometimes we have no choice. If you are Man City you shove the player in the reserves. We are still paying Paal's wages and we simply can't afford to pay those and bin him off to the development squad - unless Marti decides he is OK with Fox at left back, but Fox doesn't strike me a natural "Marti player". A million pounds is obviously the price of a Christmas party or a boardroom fish tank in the Premier League but in the post-covid Championship that's a big transfer fee (outside the parachute clubs). Until we bought Celar for an undisclosed amount (but most likely well over £1m) other than the lamentable Andre Dozzell its hard to think of another player we have paid a million quid for in the last few seasons. Might be the odd one but that's significant money for us. Yeap and the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Blame Sky Have to agree that Fox does not strike me as a natural left back - maybe left side of a back 3 works but that brings me back to Paal - if he goes or stays uncommitted we have no other options unless we play Morrison or someone else back there. The thing that annoys me most about all this (if reports are true) is the way Watford have handled things - first said to be signing Paal then late bidders for the Italian. then getting a loan with option to buy and we look like we have been taken for a ride although I do not think Nourry would be happy with that. One ITK says Watford want to sign 2 LB's so might come back for Paal - now that would be an interesting conversation. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 2, 2024 17:21:49 GMT
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Post by The General on Aug 2, 2024 18:22:24 GMT
We don’t need any more defenders
We need No 10 and striker
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Aug 2, 2024 19:06:10 GMT
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Post by Bill on Aug 2, 2024 19:10:26 GMT
We don’t need any more defenders We need No 10 and striker This been the case for 2 years and still nothing,its ridiculous lack of goals is the problem and we seem to look at defenders and midfield. Third season we might not be as lucky,get a striker in now and stop fucking about. |
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Post by James1979 on Aug 2, 2024 20:09:19 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 2, 2024 20:23:19 GMT
We don’t need any more defenders We need No 10 and striker This been the case for 2 years and still nothing,its ridiculous lack of goals is the problem and we seem to look at defenders and midfield. Third season we might not be as lucky,get a striker in now and stop fucking about. I suppose they’d argue that we have. Plus Kolli looking like he’ll be in the reckoning, and with the Donkey continuing his charmed existence, we have three strikers. Need some creativity though. No doubt. Forgot Frey - 4. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2024 23:09:30 GMT
Naïve, surely, to think this transfer window was ever going to be plain sailing?
My main take away, so far, is that some fans need to temper their expectations to more realistic ones.
I mean, after all, it's not as if the board, CEO and manager are not doing their best within highly restricted working parameters.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 3, 2024 6:46:19 GMT
Naïve, surely, to think this transfer window was ever going to be plain sailing? My main take away, so far, is that some fans need to temper their expectations to more realistic ones. I mean, after all, it's not as if the board, CEO and manager are not doing their best within highly restricted working parameters. If JCS stays that will feel like a signing in a way. Can’t see it though, we need some money in. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2024 7:03:48 GMT
The wagons are circling.
Let me get this straight. Liverpool last season loan a LB to Dundee then recall him . To replace the recalled LB, Dundee loan Lakarche. Now we are interested in taking the Liverpool LC who was on loan at Dundee in on loan to replace Paal who will so far sign a new contract
Then Watford wanted Paal and we lined up Fabrotta to replace him but Watford switch their attention to Fabrotta but finally take another foreign loan in at LB leaving Paal and Fabrotta spinning in circles waiting for the fat lady to sing.
Meanwhile Marti goes public and says Paal hs to sign a contract or be sold and we take on Brighton today with Larkarche gone, Fox injured for what will be more than just a couple of weeks and Paal in no mans land. I wonder if Brighton might just attack the left side of our defence this afternoon.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 3, 2024 7:26:32 GMT
4-5/0 today, going to get humped
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 3, 2024 7:39:59 GMT
The wagons are circling. Let me get this straight. Liverpool last season loan a LB to Dundee then recall him . To replace the recalled LB, Dundee loan Lakarche. Now we are interested in taking the Liverpool LC who was on loan at Dundee in on loan to replace Paal who will so far sign a new contract Then Watford wanted Paal and we lined up Fabrotta to replace him but Watford switch their attention to Fabrotta but finally take another foreign loan in at LB leaving Paal and Fabrotta spinning in circles waiting for the fat lady to sing. Meanwhile Marti goes public and says Paal hs to sign a contract or be sold and we take on Brighton today with Larkarche gone, Fox injured for what will be more than just a couple of weeks and Paal in no mans land. I wonder if Brighton might just attack the left side of our defence this afternoon. As they used to say over the opening credits of Soap, “Confused? You will be after the next episode…” |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2024 8:05:38 GMT
The wagons are circling. Let me get this straight. Liverpool last season loan a LB to Dundee then recall him . To replace the recalled LB, Dundee loan Lakarche. Now we are interested in taking the Liverpool LC who was on loan at Dundee in on loan to replace Paal who will so far sign a new contract Then Watford wanted Paal and we lined up Fabrotta to replace him but Watford switch their attention to Fabrotta but finally take another foreign loan in at LB leaving Paal and Fabrotta spinning in circles waiting for the fat lady to sing. Meanwhile Marti goes public and says Paal hs to sign a contract or be sold and we take on Brighton today with Larkarche gone, Fox injured for what will be more than just a couple of weeks and Paal in no mans land. I wonder if Brighton might just attack the left side of our defence this afternoon. As they used to say over the opening credits of Soap, “Confused? You will be after the next episode…” If we sign another right back I will be confused  The only real things I am am a bit confused about are 1. Why did we send Lakarche to Dundee before we had sold Paal and found a replacement. The only thing I would say as a slight criticism of Nourry/Marti since they have been here as I think it leaves us exposed especially with Fox out of action 2. All gone quiet on Varane - maybe it was all clickbait but maybe just waiting for the paperwork or maybe the big "unveiling" before kick off today. 3. We are obviously playing it very safe financially and it seems we are back to 'we have to sell before we can buy". I hoped finance would be a bit better off this year. If we can ever reach the point where we can afford to buy just one player without selling first we will have turned a corner and be on the right track but seems we are not there yet. At least the management are sticking to their guns on how to run things 4. Another Striker ?? I have the feeling we may go with what we have but who knows what is going on behind the scenes. I think we will be in this state until close to the end of the window and will then see a few things move. Hopefully it will be Eze so we can afford to keep what we have but if not expect JCS to go (sadly) so we can sign a couple if there are any good ones left by then. Meanwhile expect some of the young summer signings to be straight into the first team squad. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2024 8:31:42 GMT
Brum reported to be in for the Liverpool LB but like us want to move out one existing LB whose potential move to Barnsley just collapsed.
Maybe we can take the Brum LB and Brum take the Liverpool LB and Liverpool sign Paal while Barnsley take Frabotta and Watford can go **** themselves for not being nice.
Watch this space for the next exciting episode of Left Back Wars.
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Post by Corbray on Aug 3, 2024 9:02:45 GMT
have to remember that we still have 4 weeks of the window left. we've made some good signings so far, yes we need more but what's the point in spending big when we don't know how much money we have to play with?
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 3, 2024 10:14:52 GMT
have to remember that we still have 4 weeks of the window left. we've made some good signings so far, yes we need more but what's the point in spending big when we don't know how much money we have to play with? Exactly this. Not sure why fans would be upset about letting our third choice left back go on loan? As you say season hasn’t even started. Am sure Marti and Christian would love to be like Chelsea and go out and buy a marque player at the start of the window but with where we have been in the financial food chain the last decade we have to wait for cast offs from the big boys, and get peripheral players off the books whenever the chance emerges. In better news being reported Varane to be signing today: www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-varane-deal-020824 |
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Aug 3, 2024 10:15:28 GMT
Brum reported to be in for the Liverpool LB but like us want to move out one existing LB whose potential move to Barnsley just collapsed. Maybe we can take the Brum LB and Brum take the Liverpool LB and Liverpool sign Paal while Barnsley take Frabotta and Watford can go **** themselves for not being nice. Watch this space for the next exciting episode of Left Back Wars. Always worth throwing in Wrexham to any transfer farce as well. They and Birmingham set to make new spending records, both clubs behave like children in a sweet shop. Both teams hoping that FFP rules change before they get into the Championship and their amortization hits home. With Willock, we knew what it was about...money! His dad, as his agent, wanted more, more, more! We extended Dunne (presumably for another year - we are not allowed to know) but did not do so with a 'For Sale' board over his head. The same for Walsh and Mahoney (now Cooper). Now it maybe that we feel that Paal is worth a great deal more than the others in their final year, but why will he not extend? Does he think he can get more money elsewhere? Does he want to return to Netherlands and so wants to be a free agent? Or does he just want out of QPR. Why did Watford 'cool' on him, presumably after meeting his representatives.? He of course has history of doing this before. But we do seem to be saying to him, that if he stays and runs his contract down, he may well be second choice left back. Hence very loud noises about how we are looking for a left back. |
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Aug 3, 2024 10:29:02 GMT
The Mirror seems to think we are interested in the Fulham youngster, Kieron Bowie. The striker was on loan at Northampton last season. Several teams apparently interested including Wrexham, but not Birmingham this time. They just want to spend big on Jay Stansfield.
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Post by Shania on Aug 3, 2024 10:53:19 GMT
An account on X suggests that the South Korean player we were rumored to be interested is in talks with the club.
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 3, 2024 10:56:01 GMT
I worked as journo for a good few years. If there's no news you just make stuff up as you go along. All soc med has done is allow anyone to publish fiction, or retweet someone else's. Throw agents into the mix and its just a world of spin.
Occasionally theres a diamond to be found in the gutter. Fabrizio has got a few things right. Seems to know when (agent) sources are feeding him the real deal. And regarding QPR - Jimmy.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Aug 3, 2024 11:50:22 GMT
The Mirror seems to think we are interested in the Fulham youngster, Kieron Bowie. The striker was on loan at Northampton last season. Several teams apparently interested including Wrexham, but not Birmingham this time. They just want to spend big on Jay Stansfield. If we sign him fingers crossed he become a club hero, hopefully for more than one day. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 3, 2024 11:53:59 GMT
The Mirror seems to think we are interested in the Fulham youngster, Kieron Bowie. The striker was on loan at Northampton last season. Several teams apparently interested including Wrexham, but not Birmingham this time. They just want to spend big on Jay Stansfield. If we sign him fingers crossed he become a club hero, hopefully for more than one day. He could be our star man... |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 3, 2024 12:02:53 GMT
Depends how he copes under pressure
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