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Post by 2Loftus on Nov 15, 2024 10:53:26 GMT
Massive number of users jumping ship from Twatter and its Chief Twat Elon Musk to BlueSky social.
I joined a week ago as loads of the people I follow have made the move.
Early days, but so far, much less toxic, no effin' crap ads, no Elon Musk pushing paid-for blue tick 'service - or intrusive personal data pop-ups.
Nice.
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Post by hubble on Nov 15, 2024 11:03:31 GMT
Two things: if you use X in the 'following' mode, as opposed to 'for you', you shouldn't see any of the stuff you don't like; BUT - secondly - when I use 'for you' I don't get any toxic crap, any ads, or any of the stuff other people are complaining about. So what does that mean? Well, I think partly it might be due to what browser you use - I use firefox, which is pretty good at filtering out crap, and no one in their right mind should browse without ad blocker installed, for instance. It also might be due to how you configure X. And it also might be that for some reason, the alogirthms are serving you that stuff up based on your browsing history.....
Anyway, if people want to flounce off X, good luck to them. Wherever you go will end up being pretty similar.
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Post by Rangers77 on Nov 15, 2024 11:21:01 GMT
Leftists leaving X. No one else. Because X is a free speech platform. And it is the media now.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 15, 2024 11:47:40 GMT
Fuck social media and all its forms.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 15, 2024 13:53:28 GMT
Leftists leaving X. No one else. Because X is a free speech platform. And it is the media now. In fairness the right, led by Trump, were the first to flounce. Now the left are getting their flounce in. I never liked Twitter, left or right, as the loudest voices on social media tend to be the most shrill, offering the most extreme opinion in starkly black and white terms. Whereas if you are actually interested in finding solutions, it tends to involve lots of boring details, expert opinions, statistics and very many shades of grey. With free speech I agree with the right to express opinions. One of the big problems with social media is people making factually incorrect statements. The old style media got a bad rap but whether you read the Telegraph or the Guardian you would find both newspapers worked incredibly hard to get the facts right. They would for sure interpret those facts differently in opinion columns but the news pages were fairly "straight". The problem now is that a whole generation is growing up not knowing there is a difference between fact and opinion. And that is dangerous...
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 15, 2024 14:13:31 GMT
Leftists leaving X. No one else. Because X is a free speech platform. And it is the media now. In fairness the right, led by Trump, were the first to flounce. Now the left are getting their flounce in. I never liked Twitter, left or right, as the loudest voices on social media tend to be the most shrill, offering the most extreme opinion in starkly black and white terms. Whereas if you are actually interested in finding solutions, it tends to involve lots of boring details, expert opinions, statistics and very many shades of grey. With free speech I agree with the right to express opinions. One of the big problems with social media is people making factually incorrect statements. The old style media got a bad rap but whether you read the Telegraph or the Guardian you would find both newspapers worked incredibly hard to get the facts right. They would for sure interpret those facts differently in opinion columns but the news pages were fairly "straight". The problem now is that a whole generation is growing up not knowing there is a difference between fact and opinion. And that is dangerous...Postmodern philosophy has fucked everything good and proper. Left, right and center full of fucking morons influenced by that load of relativistic bullshit.
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 15, 2024 14:14:10 GMT
I was very pleased to see the Guardian throw a paddy and leave X this week. Anyone else who is opposed to free speech should frankly do likewise. They won't be missed.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 15, 2024 14:41:47 GMT
Leftists leaving X. No one else. Because X is a free speech platform. And it is the media now. not sure about that mr free speech Musk bans and blocks most people that disagree with him. He’s the fakest free speech person out there. Andrew Tate is cunt too (off topic but felt the need to share 😁)
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Post by Rangers77 on Nov 15, 2024 14:52:42 GMT
Leftists leaving X. No one else. Because X is a free speech platform. And it is the media now. not sure about that mr free speech Musk bans and blocks most people that disagree with him. He’s the fakest free speech person out there. Andrew Tate is cunt too (off topic but felt the need to share 😁) Refusing to listening to someone isn't curtaining their free speech. Blocking isn't a ban. And bans are rare on X. We aren't dependent any more on corporate left liberal gatekeepers, which benefits everyone.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 15, 2024 15:05:30 GMT
not sure about that mr free speech Musk bans and blocks most people that disagree with him. He’s the fakest free speech person out there. Andrew Tate is cunt too (off topic but felt the need to share 😁) Refusing to listening to someone isn't curtaining their free speech. Blocking isn't a ban. And bans are rare on X. We aren't dependent any more on corporate left liberal gatekeepers, which benefits everyone. Very trixsy arguing there 77. You know what Acton was saying. There is free speech on x, but some speech is a lot more free than others. Musk is using his power and money to amplify some opinions and muffle others. Its not that people are declining to listen to alternative opinions, its that they will be less exposed now on twitter to left wing and centre opinion than they will be right wing opinion. Which in turn is likely to turn people to the right. Which is why, after all, Musk is doing it. So its not remotely a level playing field.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 15, 2024 15:12:32 GMT
One of the big problems with social media is people making factually incorrect statements. He's attempted to address that problem on X with the 'Community Notes' function; with some success so far, but still early days. At least the intention is there and the recognition of the issue
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 15, 2024 15:20:34 GMT
One of the big problems with social media is people making factually incorrect statements. He's attempted to address that problem on X with the 'Community Notes' function; with some success so far, but still early days. At least the intention is there and the recognition of the issue He's been making loads of factually nonsense statements himself tho, which are then amplified. He also sacked a huge swathe of moderators. And before anyone barks back that these were censors, do you for example allow a poster to deny the hollocaust took place or claim that paedophilia is a good thing?
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 15, 2024 15:28:32 GMT
What specific examples have we got about Musk banning people or limiting free speech from certain parties?
I think he gets roundly talked down as some sort of nutjob or loose cannon by the legacy media, probably cos they see him as a threat. As far as I can tell, X is promoting free speech across the board and with no bias.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 15, 2024 15:29:43 GMT
Very trixsy arguing there 77. You know what Acton was saying. There is free speech on x, but some speech is a lot more free than others. Musk is using his power and money to amplify some opinions and muffle others. Its not that people are declining to listen to alternative opinions, its that they will be less exposed now on twitter to left wing and centre opinion than they will be right wing opinion. Which in turn is likely to turn people to the right. Which is why, after all, Musk is doing it. So its not remotely a level playing field. Google/YouTube, Facebook/Instagram, which lean left (as does Silicon Valley in general), are accused of the exact same thing. So it balances itself out. If you have one platform with a right leaning bias and another with a left, that's healthier than all the big ones leaning one way, which is what you had when Jack Dorsey was running Twitter.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 15, 2024 15:35:05 GMT
He's attempted to address that problem on X with the 'Community Notes' function; with some success so far, but still early days. At least the intention is there and the recognition of the issue He's been making loads of factually nonsense statements himself tho, which are then amplified. He also sacked a huge swathe of moderators. And before anyone barks back that these were censors, do you for example allow a poster to deny the hollocaust took place or claim that paedophilia is a good thing? The best disinfectant to bad ideas/actors is sunlight; and better ideas/actors. And if someone is deliberately trolling or being abusive, then they can be banned, sure, because they're not helping anyone and just dragging the whole place down. But not if they are a person's genuinely held beliefs, however misguided they may be.
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 15, 2024 15:40:46 GMT
Also worth noting that in the past Musk has identified as a Democrat and I believe financially backed the Democratic party. He also backed the "Never Trump" movement back in 2016.
His move to leaning further right is driven by what the left have become in recent years. Globalist policies that don't serve the American people alongside whacky woke ideology. I'm sorry to say it, but unless you want the whole of the US ending up in the mess that California is in right now, Trump is the only option and I'm not surprised virtually every swing voter in the country has gone that way.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 15, 2024 15:55:36 GMT
He's been making loads of factually nonsense statements himself tho, which are then amplified. He also sacked a huge swathe of moderators. And before anyone barks back that these were censors, do you for example allow a poster to deny the hollocaust took place or claim that paedophilia is a good thing? The best disinfectant to bad ideas/actors is sunlight; and better ideas/actors. And if someone is deliberately trolling or being abusive, then they can be banned, sure, because they're not helping anyone and just dragging the whole place down. But not if they are a person's genuinely held beliefs, however misguided they may be. I wish that were the case. However, there have been loads of academic studies showing, for example, that in the social media age conspiracy theories and extremist opinions (of whatever shade) have exploded. Off the scale. During covid vast numbers of people were saying, with apparent sincerity, that Bill Gates had deliberately started/ spread the disease. JD Vance came very close to admitting he made up the whole "they are eating the dogs" story. But it served his purpose anyway. Social media didn't shine much "light" of truth on that, it simply spread a message without evidence to millions of gullible people. People have access to far more information and opinion now, for sure, and for sane, sensible people like you that is clearly a good thing. I am sure you do seek differing opinions and evaluate them. But that is not how a lot of people operate, on both sides. One thing that came out loud and clear from the US election is that you have one tribe getting their information from one set of sources and the other tribe getting theirs from another. And its leading to far more division. Musk can post a fake headline that Starmer was about to send rioters to specially made camps in the Falklands. That was completely made up. He belatedly deleted it, but not before 2m people had read it. Social media is certainly creating a lot of heat. Light? Am not so sure.
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 15, 2024 16:02:31 GMT
Stains, I'll take that over the propaganda fueled mind control machine that is the legacy media.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 15, 2024 16:41:47 GMT
do you for example allow a poster to deny the hollocaust took place or claim that paedophilia is a good thing? Sorry, crossed wires. My reply above was in reference to RFI not X 😅
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Post by 2Loftus on Nov 15, 2024 16:51:01 GMT
Stains, I'll take that over the propaganda fueled mind control machine that is the legacy media. Do really think the Trump/Musk thing isn't a propaganda-fuelled mind control machine? Possibly the worst example on the planet, with the possible exception of the Russian news network.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 15, 2024 16:57:26 GMT
Stains, I'll take that over the propaganda fueled mind control machine that is the legacy media. Do really think the Trump/Musk thing isn't a propaganda-fuelled mind control machine? Possibly the worst example on the planet, with the possible exception of the Russian news network. Quite possibly. But I’d say main reasons he won were 1) he spoke about policies more ie he had some and 2) Harris kept bringing out celebs to tell all the “stupid” people how they should vote. I don’t like either of them.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 15, 2024 17:27:34 GMT
The best disinfectant to bad ideas/actors is sunlight; and better ideas/actors. And if someone is deliberately trolling or being abusive, then they can be banned, sure, because they're not helping anyone and just dragging the whole place down. But not if they are a person's genuinely held beliefs, however misguided they may be. I wish that were the case. However, there have been loads of academic studies showing, for example, that in the social media age conspiracy theories and extremist opinions (of whatever shade) have exploded. Off the scale. During covid vast numbers of people were saying, with apparent sincerity, that Bill Gates had deliberately started/ spread the disease. JD Vance came very close to admitting he made up the whole "they are eating the dogs" story. But it served his purpose anyway. Social media didn't shine much "light" of truth on that, it simply spread a message without evidence to millions of gullible people. People have access to far more information and opinion now, for sure, and for sane, sensible people like you that is clearly a good thing. I am sure you do seek differing opinions and evaluate them. But that is not how a lot of people operate, on both sides. One thing that came out loud and clear from the US election is that you have one tribe getting their information from one set of sources and the other tribe getting theirs from another. And its leading to far more division. Musk can post a fake headline that Starmer was about to send rioters to specially made camps in the Falklands. That was completely made up. He belatedly deleted it, but not before 2m people had read it. Social media is certainly creating a lot of heat. Light? Am not so sure. Having said that, what's the solution? Of course no platform will ever be perfect but at least Musk is trying to address the dis/misinformation problem with his Community Notes function, which he himself has been pulled up on and been corrected. Whilst I wouldn't disagree with much of what you say, what's a better alternative? Censorship? IMO that makes things even worse than protecting and preserving the 1st Ammendment. This has even stretched to all kinds of clandestine government interference. That certainly doesn't solve the problem, it just drives it further underground (only for it to pop up elsewhere), and creates yet further distrust and division. This is precisely why the Founding Fathers created the 1st Ammendment, which certain seats of power are now trying to erode or even remove.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 15, 2024 17:30:05 GMT
Do really think the Trump/Musk thing isn't a propaganda-fuelled mind control machine? Possibly the worst example on the planet, with the possible exception of the Russian news network. Quite possibly. But I’d say main reasons he won were 1) he spoke about policies more ie he had some and 2) Harris kept bringing out celebs to tell all the “stupid” people how they should vote. I don’t like either of them. With you on that. I’m no leftie and no way support Trump but I was in US for a week recently and she was awful. No substance, just a manic laugh with a bit of cheerleading. 330m people and they were the best they could do? Ordinary yanks are tearing their hair out at what’s happening to their country. We only see both extremes. I had no one to vote for here, my friends over there feel the same.
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 15, 2024 18:14:22 GMT
Stains, I'll take that over the propaganda fueled mind control machine that is the legacy media. Do really think the Trump/Musk thing isn't a propaganda-fuelled mind control machine? Possibly the worst example on the planet, with the possible exception of the Russian news network. I think the mainstream media has significantly more control over people than anyone currently under the spell of it could even come close to comprehending. I see it pretty clearly as I think a lot of expats do. We don't watch a news channel over here. Most UAE based European expats get their news via whatever online channel suits them best and solidify their opinions over conversation with their friends and colleagues. It was particularly pronounced through COVID, at which point I was a UK resident. The difference in levels of concern between my friends abroad and my UK based friends was massive. And of course, with the benefit of hindsight, those unplugged from the mainstream media channels were clearly the ones thinking more rationally about the situation.
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Post by Corbray on Nov 15, 2024 18:54:37 GMT
Also worth noting that in the past Musk has identified as a Democrat and I believe financially backed the Democratic party. He also backed the "Never Trump" movement back in 2016. His move to leaning further right is driven by what the left have become in recent years. Globalist policies that don't serve the American people alongside whacky woke ideology. I'm sorry to say it, but unless you want the whole of the US ending up in the mess that California is in right now, Trump is the only option and I'm not surprised virtually every swing voter in the country has gone that way. ironically the right has also become a bit of a fanatical mess in recent years too with the rise of trumpism and the like. people are going to the extremes in both senses of it and cancel culture is rife on both sides imo. personally always seen myself as very liberal regardless of political views but i have become more left leaning the older i become after becoming disillusioned with the tory party and the right since brexit. was always more right leaning prior to that. end of the day though the powers that be want us to be angry at eachother rather than questioning them. everyone's a strawman, i'm a woke libtard, rights are racist and selfish etc.
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 15, 2024 18:58:12 GMT
I think you're the exception rather than the rule Corbs. Myself and most people I knock around with and pretty Centrist in their views, but the loony left is forcing us all to the right. I'm quite happy to admit I voted Farage and as things stand I'll vote Reform again next time around. If somebody had told me a few years back I'd be saying that I'd have told them that they'd lost their mind.
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Post by systemsguy on Nov 15, 2024 20:05:54 GMT
Good luck to anyone going to pastures new... but please go quietly...
The dramatic exits are cringe worthy as they continue to post on X to say how good the sky is over there 🙈
An Edinburgh news outlet with 63K followers has said they will make @bluesky their main news outlet when they reach 500 followers... 🤣
They however will keep an account going on X as the breaking news breaks on X
Another social media account with bans again...
Like my attitude on pronouns "No Thank You"
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 16, 2024 15:06:18 GMT
I think you're the exception rather than the rule Corbs. Myself and most people I knock around with and pretty Centrist in their views, but the loony left is forcing us all to the right. I'm quite happy to admit I voted Farage and as things stand I'll vote Reform again next time around. If somebody had told me a few years back I'd be saying that I'd have told them that they'd lost their mind. Why you think Corbay is the exception? Plenty of liberal people like him around, including me. Despite the disproportionately huge coverage that Farage managed to attract (inc from your enemy legacy media) they got less than 15% of the vote. Well over half the votes went to centre or left of centre parties. Most people like to think of themselves as centrist but if you vote Farage you are far from centrist. If most people you talk to agree with your opinions on Reform that merely reflects the people you happen to hang around with
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 16, 2024 15:42:30 GMT
I think you have to be very careful what you read into our last election result. People I know who voted Reform haven’t got a clue what they voted for except they weren’t the Tories or Labour and might send the boats back to France. Votes for the LibDems also got Labour in. The whole thing was a shambles given we had/have the worst set of options in my memory.
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 16, 2024 16:16:06 GMT
I think you're the exception rather than the rule Corbs. Myself and most people I knock around with and pretty Centrist in their views, but the loony left is forcing us all to the right. I'm quite happy to admit I voted Farage and as things stand I'll vote Reform again next time around. If somebody had told me a few years back I'd be saying that I'd have told them that they'd lost their mind. Why you think Corbay is the exception? Plenty of liberal people like him around, including me. Despite the disproportionately huge coverage that Farage managed to attract (inc from your enemy legacy media) they got less than 15% of the vote. Well over half the votes went to centre or left of centre parties. Most people like to think of themselves as centrist but if you vote Farage you are far from centrist. If most people you talk to agree with your opinions on Reform that merely reflects the people you happen to hang around with Where is there left to go mate? Tories ran the country into the ground whilst lining the pockets of themselves and their cronies. Labour are fleecing us all rotten and acting in complete contradiction to what a Labour government should be about. The whole system needs a shake up, and I'll continue to vote for the party most likely to deliver that. Regardless of what anyone else thinks.
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