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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 19, 2019 17:33:07 GMT
By David McIntyre 19/06/2019 Mark Warburton wants youngsters on loan from Premier League clubs now his first three signings as QPR boss are in the bag. Warburton last week tied up the signings of goalkeeper Liam Kelly and left-back Lee Wallace, who both played under him at Glasgow Rangers, and on Tuesday completed the signing of out-of-contract Brentford defender Yoann Barbet. But a major part of the new manager’s brief is to use his contacts to bring talented young players to Loftus Road on loan. Other Championship clubs, including Brentford when Warburton was sporting director and later manager at Griffin Park, have had success in bringing in quality youngsters from top-flight clubs. QPR have been less effective in that respect and want Warburton to change that. “It works – players are assets and it (making loan signings) works for both clubs,” Warburton said. “You can have a player that comes from a Premier League club that plays 30-40 games for you and goes back a better asset. It sounds harsh but the players are assets – they’re a balance-sheet item.
“The player can go back to their Premier club (and stay there) as a better asset, in which case job’s done, everyone’s happy and you get another one the following season. Or, you get the player who comes to you (permanently) and the Premier League club has a sell-on and financially it works for all parties.”Competition for loan signings is fierce, but one of the reasons Warburton was appointed was because it was felt his track record would help the club persuade top sides to send their players to QPR on loan. “As long as we can get that trust, respect and relationships there, clubs can see that their young talent is coming here, learning and going back as better players, then we’re in a good position. You can have X number of clubs who are all after the same players. We have to show that QPR is a good place to come.”www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-wls-qpr-boss-wants-premier-league-youngsters-on-loan |
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Post by acricketer on Jun 19, 2019 17:54:30 GMT
What about our youngsters?
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Post by davieqpr on Jun 19, 2019 18:13:21 GMT
Every team that has had any success,lately, has relied on loanees from better clubs.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 19, 2019 18:33:25 GMT
What about our youngsters? Healthy balance between the two I'd have thought. |
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Post by acricketer on Jun 19, 2019 21:14:02 GMT
Then I'll take 6 Kyle Walkers please.
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Post by puntR on Jun 19, 2019 21:53:23 GMT
Complete waste of time loaning players. Fair enough if we've somehow managed to build a healthy squad of players already and have a real chance of promotion and the canny ability to stay in the prem. But we havnt and we wont. See Swindon. Spent years loaning young players to just to watch them go off a succeed elsewhere while they languish in L2. MClaren got pelters for getting loan players in. Didn't help him.
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Post by Greg1882 on Jun 20, 2019 6:51:28 GMT
Complete waste of time loaning players. Fair enough if we've somehow managed to build a healthy squad of players already and have a real chance of promotion and the canny ability to stay in the prem. But we havnt and we wont. See Swindon. Spent years loaning young players to just to watch them go off a succeed elsewhere while they languish in L2. MClaren got pelters for getting loan players in. Didn't help him. Didn’t do Huddersfield any harm. Depends on the quality. Two or three quality loan signings would make a hell of a difference |
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Post by Shania on Jun 20, 2019 12:46:00 GMT
4 players will be signed/coming in on loan next week according to Mark Warburton on Sky? Can anyone confirm this?
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Post by BrightonR on Jun 20, 2019 13:08:35 GMT
4 players will be signed/coming in on loan next week according to Mark Warburton on Sky? Can anyone confirm this? No idea Shania. Would be good though. About time we did our business in a timely fashion, rather than leaving it too late. Some well thought out loan signings could make the world of difference. Hopefully the sort who could realistically stay longer term if things go well. |
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Post by Shania on Jun 20, 2019 13:21:55 GMT
Loan signings who can make an impact, and with ability to improve their value in the market are what we need at this stage. Some of them will, like you indicate, want to stay with us hopefully..
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Post by davieqpr on Jun 20, 2019 17:14:38 GMT
The other reason for loaning players is the fact that it is cheaper than paying your own. Before anyone says 'ah, but resale value' that didn't work well with players like Lynch, Bidwell, Cousins etc.
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Post by lymehoop on Jun 21, 2019 16:36:28 GMT
we need a midfield player like Derry or Barton. Chair and Eze, class players, but need a minder. A decent striker needed too
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 3, 2019 14:19:51 GMT
Warburton on Premier League loan signings:
Mark Warburton says that any loan players signed by QPR will only be brought in if they add qualities that the squad does not already possess. Warburton bolstered his midfield options on Monday by completing the season-long additions of Luke Amos and Matt Smith from Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City respectively. The boss says that, as well as contributing on the pitch for the first team, both will act as great role models to players in the club’s U23s set-up and will help them to develop.
He said: “You don’t bring in loan players as a knee-jerk reaction and a lot of thought goes into signing them. I will speak with Les Ferdinand, with Chris Ramsey and Paul Hall and will ask ‘what do we have in the building? What do we have currently that possesses the same attributes as these guys?’. Right now, these two [Smith and Amos] are at a different level of quality and what it does for our young players is it tells them that these are boys coming out of Man City and Tottenham. These are the cream of the boys in their age group and this is the level that you have to reach."
“For our boys, it’s seeing it first hand, it’s training alongside them, it’s seeing the quality they possess, their character, how they approach training every day and the intensity they apply to themselves every day. It shows them exactly what is required. There are many benefits to a loan but, most importantly, you never bring in a loan unless they possess quality that we don’t currently possess.”
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jul 3, 2019 15:02:25 GMT
Complete waste of time loaning players. Yep, I'm sure Derby would have had other players who could have scored Harry Wilson's 18 goals last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 12:14:27 GMT
By David McIntyre 19/06/2019 Mark Warburton wants youngsters on loan from Premier League clubs now his first three signings as QPR boss are in the bag. “It works – players are assets and it (making loan signings) works for both clubs,” Warburton said.
“As long as we can get that trust, respect and relationships there, clubs can see that their young talent is coming here, learning and going back as better players, then we’re in a good position. You can have X number of clubs who are all after the same players. We have to show that QPR is a good place to come.”www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-wls-qpr-boss-wants-premier-league-youngsters-on-loanOther than Amos the youngsters loaned to us this season have not played very often. Have we “ shown that QPR is a good place to come “ i would say yes Rangers is a good place for a youngster to come and showcase their talent but would expect them to have made more of an impact .Amos has looked very good in some games but is invisible in others. It was rumoured that we might get Troy Parott on loan from spuds earlier this season but nothing transpired, I would like to think that we may be considered if spuds decide to loan him out next season. Is the reason we never had recent loans from Arsenal or Chelsea that we were “not a good place for youngsters to come “ |
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Post by Corbray on Jun 23, 2020 12:44:29 GMT
i'd say that we are still a good place for young players to come. they're given a fair chance here if they're good enough. smith, mlakar and clarke were all subpar or anonymous whenever they were given chances but amos has fit in well and will likely be a top championship player one day.
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Post by 72bus on Jun 23, 2020 13:40:53 GMT
Jose saying someone else had attitude problems that choice |
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 24, 2020 9:23:28 GMT
i'd say that we are still a good place for young players to come. they're given a fair chance here if they're good enough. smith, mlakar and clarke were all subpar or anonymous whenever they were given chances but amos has fit in well and will likely be a top championship player one day. Yes and no with that. Mlklar was our first loan signing I think, so at that stage he probably was going to play. Then Hugill and Wells became available and subsequently he became 3rd choice. He didn't (at a guess) do enough in training to make Warbs want to start him; or maybe we were paying so much for Wells and Hugill that they had to play more often than not (being experienced players rather than a young gun). Clarke is a strange situation. He is a brilliant player and he showed that at Leeds before a big money move. He joined at a time when BOS, Chair and Eze were first choice and playing very well. Even Pugh was getting a couple of MOTM awards so he was behind them. He must be showing something or we wouldn't have kept him on. Having said that, I was surprised that Shodipo came on against Barnsley ahead of him. No idea what happened with Smith. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Jun 24, 2020 9:36:57 GMT
i'd say that we are still a good place for young players to come. they're given a fair chance here if they're good enough. smith, mlakar and clarke were all subpar or anonymous whenever they were given chances but amos has fit in well and will likely be a top championship player one day. Yes and no with that. Mlklar was our first loan signing I think, so at that stage he probably was going to play. Then Hugill and Wells became available and subsequently he became 3rd choice. He didn't (at a guess) do enough in training to make Warbs want to start him; or maybe we were paying so much for Wells and Hugill that they had to play more often than not (being experienced players rather than a young gun). Clarke is a strange situation. He is a brilliant player and he showed that at Leeds before a big money move. He joined at a time when BOS, Chair and Eze were first choice and playing very well. Even Pugh was getting a couple of MOTM awards so he was behind them. He must be showing something or we wouldn't have kept him on. Having said that, I was surprised that Shodipo came on against Barnsley ahead of him. No idea what happened with Smith. From threads on Championship FB groups it seems that Leeds fans thought he was the dogs danglies and (naturally for LUFC fans) the best player in the Championship. He then picked up a fairly serious injury and hasn't been the same player since. I wonder if he has a bit of the Armand Traore going on in his head? I once walked up from White City station with Traore and I asked about how his injuries affected his mental attitude and he was quite honest. He said that every time he went out on the pitch that even after proper warm ups etc. he always had it in the back of his mind that the next time he got injured it would be a career ending one. He had also been seeing a sports psychologist for a lot of that season which was helping but he was also reading a number of mental strength books and motivational books to try to overcome the mental weight he was carrying. I had a lot more sympathy for him after that conversation as even though it was frustrating as hell at times, because he would show flashes of what he was capable of then seem to fade out of games, it was to do with the battle going on in his head rather than he couldn't give a fuck like some we had during his tenure. Just because he is earning a very tidy salary it didn't make him immune from mental health problems. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jun 26, 2020 12:20:17 GMT
You can loan who you like but unless someone gets a grip on the defence coaching, we'll be pissing in the wind.
The other big weakness we have is that we don't always look motivated, we don't want it enough. Taken together these are long standing Warbs era problems which have not gone away.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 10:16:22 GMT
You can loan who you like but unless someone gets a grip on the defence coaching, we'll be pissing in the wind. The other big weakness we have is that we don't always look motivated, we don't want it enough. Taken together these are long standing Warbs era problems which have not gone away. You make some very good points Hal9thou validated by our recent performances. Saw a little quote from a fan on watching the first team going through a defensive training drill admittedly in pre-season ”full size goal on a third of a pitch..4 defenders and a keeper trying to stop a group of attackers for five mins...they were rubbish at it the attackers scored five goals in five mins “ Listening to Warbs post match comments after Charlton stating that they work on defensive patterns every day and offensive/defensive set pieces one day a week it’s clearly not working in that we keep giving away particularly soft goals most games. Why don’t we start by simply stop trying to be clever with the half hearted zonal marking nonsense at corners and free kicks and start defending man for man ? When I googled Zonal Marking at set pieces I found an article on bbc sport. In the writeup Rafael Benitez and Hansen comment on merits and negatives on the system. It also coincides what Warbs suggests our problem is when not winning the first ball at set pieces. The system also requires having a Keeper confident off his line and intelligent Defenders to adopt it. |
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