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Post by 72bus on Jul 18, 2020 18:11:37 GMT
i'd have him all day long 15 goals in a mid to bottom team is a good return at any level
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 18:13:05 GMT
Gotta wonder if he'd fancy a return here also as gotta think top half sides would take a punt on him after a decent season
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Post by West Acton on Jul 18, 2020 20:27:40 GMT
Have a look at Sam Cosgrove at Aberdeen..just turned down a £2m move abroad..If I was scouting on videos like Belkin I would be splashing the cost of getting somebody up north to have a good look at him. not good enough |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 20:52:31 GMT
Have a look at Sam Cosgrove at Aberdeen..just turned down a £2m move abroad..If I was scouting on videos like Belkin I would be splashing the cost of getting somebody up north to have a good look at him. not good enough Without giving one word answers why do you think he’s not good enough West Acton ? I thought he looked like a Matt Smith clone at first..bit clumsy and ungainly at times but after watching all videos I could find I changed my mind. in some of the vids watch his movement in the box..he makes space for himself. A number of his goals are pens but he looks like he can finish. |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 18, 2020 20:55:58 GMT
Sorry Sparx mum is from Aberdeen so have Always followed them
He’s not bad player but just don’t think he would make an impact down here. Easy to bag goals up there think down here he would be like 8 goal season striker. Making up numbers coming off bench he would be worth punt but not the go to striker For me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 21:04:22 GMT
What about Aberdeen CB that we were rumoured to bid for at start season..I been looking out for him when he played on tv..he looked worse than Karl Ready to me.
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Post by West Acton on Jul 18, 2020 21:14:11 GMT
When he was muted start of season and people got excited I was personally not sure. Couple of mil yes but five mil I would not pay. Times I’ve seen him this season he seems to have improved
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 19, 2020 9:08:41 GMT
Whether or not we can afford him or even if he'd come here again it's not fair to debate his worth in isolation. As part of a strike force with Wells backed up by a decent return from players behind them he has been good for us. If we keep him the best idea would be to put the right players around him like Wells, BOS, Eze were. I like the physical side of his game - well, as much as you can do these days - and if you put the ball in front of him in the box he's dangerous. If one of your 3-4 main goalscorers gets 15 you're on the right track. Back his strengths.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 9:30:57 GMT
Hugill has scored a very respectable amount of goals but honestly think that’s mainly due to the service provided.
His overall game is very limited in that he does not hold the ball up well or is a big enough threat in the air in my opinion...his pass completion rate is 66%
I can’t do links but check his stats on fctables.com and compare to Wells
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 19, 2020 9:37:39 GMT
Hugill has scored a very respectable amount of goals but honestly think that’s mainly due to the service provided. His overall game is very limited in that he does not hold the ball up well or is a big enough threat in the air in my opinion...his pass completion rate is 66% I can’t do links but check his stats on fctables.com and compare to Wells Take your point but I am unconvinced by stats - you can have 80% possession and hardly ever go past the halfway line - and as for service I think we are very poor at getting the ball into areas for a centre forward to attack. We put better crosses in for Matt Smith when he wasn't on the pitch😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 9:45:01 GMT
Pass completion rate would surely give an example of his ability to hold the ball up though Alan ?
I feel if we are to purchase a striker then very important to make the right choice as I think Ramkilde and Oteh will be partners to whoever we loan or purchase.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 19, 2020 9:52:37 GMT
Hugill has scored a very respectable amount of goals but honestly think that’s mainly due to the service provided. strikers depend on good service I can’t do links but check his stats on fctables.com and compare to Wells Wells 15 in 18 Hugill 15 in 34 rfantasyisland.boards.net/post/45725/thread |
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Post by Greg1882 on Jul 19, 2020 9:53:06 GMT
Pass completion rate would surely give an example of his ability to hold the ball up though Alan ? I feel if we are to purchase a striker then very important to make the right choice as I think Ramkilde and Oteh will be partners to whoever we loan or purchase. I hope they aren’t othwrwise we’re bang in trouble |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 9:59:18 GMT
I would add that he does surprise me with flashes of good ability like the quick touch and shot on the turn in Fulham game.
The stats on fctables.com show lots of other things other than goals scored.
You maybe might be shocked to know Joe Lumley had better pass completion rates than Liam Kelly before Joe got his place back.
Hugill pass completion is similar to Kelly and Kane
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 10:09:28 GMT
Hugill has scored a very respectable amount of goals but honestly think that’s mainly due to the service provided. strikers depend on good service I can’t do links but check his stats on fctables.com and compare to Wells Wells 15 in 18 Hugill 15 in 34 rfantasyisland.boards.net/post/45725/threadIf I sound harsh Stan I think Hugill should have scored 20+ goals this year due to the service. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 19, 2020 10:13:37 GMT
Sparx, most important stat for a striker is goals per game. More important than pass completion. 15 in 34 is primarily what he'll be judged on. (Which could change if he plays on Wednesday).
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 19, 2020 10:15:37 GMT
I would add that he does surprise me with flashes of good ability like the quick touch and shot on the turn in Fulham game. The stats on fctables.com show lots of other things other than goals scored. You maybe might be shocked to know Joe Lumley had better pass completion rates than Liam Kelly before Joe got his place back. Hugill pass completion is similar to Kelly and Kane OK, but that's what I mean about stats. I want my CF to mostly be the last man in a move, sticking the ball away, so a stat on conversion of chances is more relevant than his pass completion. Also he has to be marked by a CB and a challenge can result in a mistake, a foul or the ball breaking our way for a runner or a chance. There's no stat for being a handful - and Hugill is. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 19, 2020 10:19:49 GMT
Hugill has been a good short term option and by and large a success for us but it is just that a shoet term option as sgown by what happened with Wells. We have bought a training ground to improve our players and to improve as a club. We have a D.O.F, a technical director and an recruitment team which means 4 or 5 members of staff who should be scouting the country and europe for prospects or players who are not that known over here. If we are signing loans every season why are we paying these people and more importantly what are they actually doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 10:23:03 GMT
All about opinions Alan and I respect yours but most obvious stat for Hugill is out of every three shots only one hits the target..not a goal but on target.
When you compare that stat it’s one of the worst in championship for strikers.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Wells and Hugill goal per game with us have been the best in their career
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 19, 2020 10:23:26 GMT
Hugill has been a good short term option and by and large a success for us but it is just that a shoet term option as sgown by what happened with Wells. We have bought a training ground to improve our players and to improve as a club. We have a D.O.F, a technical director and an recruitment team which means 4 or 5 members of staff who should be scouting the country and europe for prospects or players who are not that known over here. If we are signing loans every season why are we paying these people and more importantly what are they actually doing. Good point |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 19, 2020 10:27:32 GMT
Hugill has been a good short term option and by and large a success for us but it is just that a shoet term option as sgown by what happened with Wells. We have bought a training ground to improve our players and to improve as a club. We have a D.O.F, a technical director and an recruitment team which means 4 or 5 members of staff who should be scouting the country and europe for prospects or players who are not that known over here. If we are signing loans every season why are we paying these people and more importantly what are they actually doing. Good point Alan. We cannot stay like this year on year using ffp as the reason for it. This year we could get decent money for 3 players and that needs to be reinvested and that is where those guys should be doing their work. Player sales is what will help us move on and you cannot sell loanees but you can sell your own. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 10:27:37 GMT
Sparx, most important stat for a striker is goals per game. More important than pass completion. 15 in 34 is primarily what he'll be judged on. (Which could change if he plays on Wednesday). Agree Stan but also with a reliant on managers playing one upfront the ability to make the ball stick and pass it to a teammate is essential |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 10:46:14 GMT
Getting hugill in for nother season allows us look at some younger options, that might not be fully ready yet, that we can actually sign.
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 19, 2020 10:51:46 GMT
Getting hugill in for nother season allows us look at some younger options, that might not be fully ready yet, that we can actually sign. We do not have to just look at young players we could be looking at someone who may have lost their way a little but has the qualities to fit in to the managers style of play. Someone like Pukki at Norwich who did not exactly light the world up when at Celtic but they sign for no or little money and turned into a player suited to the English game. We have all these people who should know about these players and if they do not the question is why! |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 19, 2020 10:54:57 GMT
From what we are to believe Penrice recommended Freeman, Smith and BOS so if the scout is good enough players can be found.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 10:56:51 GMT
I think in our situation if the opportunity to get a player back we know we can rely on is there then we take it. Gambling on another striker to lead the line you don't know what you're getting.
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 19, 2020 11:05:01 GMT
We will never get out of our situation unless we develop our own. Manning 50k from Ireland BOS 750k or so from Blackpool and Eze next to or nothing will get us 15 to 20 million so if your scouting is good enough and you have actually done your job then they are not as big a gamble. Maupay and Watkins both scouted by Brentford on a maximum of 10k a week there but a guarantee big money move if you prove yourself same for Hogan. 3 strikers they have had in last 4 or 5 years while we just loan players. That is why they have progressed past us and we have and will at best stand still.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 11:17:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 11:19:18 GMT
We will never get out of our situation unless we develop our own. Manning 50k from Ireland BOS 750k or so from Blackpool and Eze next to or nothing will get us 15 to 20 million so if your scouting is good enough and you have actually done your job then they are not as big a gamble. Maupay and Watkins both scouted by Brentford on a maximum of 10k a week there but a guarantee big money move if you prove yourself same for Hogan. 3 strikers they have had in last 4 or 5 years while we just loan players. That is why they have progressed past us and we have and will at best stand still. Agreed we need find our own but we also need give that process time. No reason why hugill can't be brought in alongside a rough diamond that we hope comes good. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 19, 2020 12:25:41 GMT
We will never get out of our situation unless we develop our own. Manning 50k from Ireland BOS 750k or so from Blackpool and Eze next to or nothing will get us 15 to 20 million so if your scouting is good enough and you have actually done your job then they are not as big a gamble. Maupay and Watkins both scouted by Brentford on a maximum of 10k a week there but a guarantee big money move if you prove yourself same for Hogan. 3 strikers they have had in last 4 or 5 years while we just loan players. That is why they have progressed past us and we have and will at best stand still. Agreed we need find our own but we also need give that process time. No reason why hugill can't be brought in alongside a rough diamond that we hope comes good. No reason why Hugill could not come back other than what is the point of a D.O.F, Technical director and a recruitment team if we are just going to re sign players we have had on loan before. |
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