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Post by esoxlucius on Sept 28, 2019 16:54:28 GMT
Wells got a knee in the back and spent a few minutes straight after trying to stretch out to free it up. The first goal was down to him not being able to cover his man and it caused an overload on our defence as they were a man short. He should have gone off then, BOS on to play wide and Eze to play up front with Hugill. Ebere had a poor game by his standards but, IMO, it was because he was being asked to play too deep for him to have his usual impact and you can see his defending is improving but that just wastes what he is capable of doing. Today was the first time I felt MW got his subs wrong.
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 28, 2019 17:03:29 GMT
Wells got a knee in the back and spent a few minutes straight after trying to stretch out to free it up. The first goal was down to him not being able to cover his man and it caused an overload on our defence as they were a man short. He should have gone off then, BOS on to play wide and Eze to play up front with Hugill. Ebere had a poor game by his standards but, IMO, it was because he was being asked to play too deep for him to have his usual impact and you can see his defending is improving but that just wastes what he is capable of doing. Today was the first time I felt MW got his subs wrong. ..... And the goalkeeper's job isn't to save not particularly good shots from long distance then?
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Post by itsonlyagame on Sept 28, 2019 17:22:38 GMT
I’m sure I’ll get slated for saying this but I don’t think Lumley had that bad a game. The shot from Ferguson curled between two of our defenders and he was totally unsighted. Some keepers would have saved that but a few probably wouldn’t. He made some good stops today. Yes there are better keepers out there but they don’t play for us unfortunately. Brum were the better team but it’s a bit galling we conceded two stupid goals.
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Post by West Acton on Sept 28, 2019 17:24:18 GMT
First goal was right in front of me. He never tracked because he was lazy not because he was injured Esox. He took to steps then thought Na we all said it in stand you could predict the ending
Keeper hover should be gathering that
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Post by Brian Wilson on Sept 28, 2019 19:49:52 GMT
I rate Lumley but he can be quite slow to react to shots and get down. Normally a keeper might be weak on crosses or coming off his line, lose his nerve at key moments etc but he seems OK there. He was very cocky when he got in the team last year but seems to have lost a bit of that belief.
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Post by esoxlucius on Sept 28, 2019 20:01:30 GMT
First goal was right in front of me. He never tracked because he was lazy not because he was injured Esox. He took to steps then thought Na we all said it in stand you could predict the ending Keeper hover should be gathering that Wait until the full 90 minutes are on the offish then watch again where Wells gets a knee or a boot in the back, he spent the next couple of minutes trying to stretch it out unsuccessfully. He should have been hooked right then. Wells is far, far from being a lazy player, you couldn't be more wrong about his part in that goal.
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Post by esoxlucius on Sept 28, 2019 20:08:15 GMT
I rate Lumley but he can be quite slow to react to shots and get down. Normally a keeper might be weak on crosses or coming off his line, lose his nerve at key moments etc but he seems OK there. He was very cocky when he got in the team last year but seems to have lost a bit of that belief. That'll be the fans in the Loft & R Block etc. screaming abuse at him. He can hear every word shouted at him and for a kid who has come up through the ranks at QPR it must make him sick to the pit of his stomach when he hears grown men and women calling him a useless cunt and to fuck off. It's no wonder he has no confidence when the slightest thing that someone decides they don't like about him results in a tirade of opprobrium directed his way, from people who I guarantee wouldn't have the guts to say it to his face. We have a team assembled for fuck all cost and we got beat by a team that cost over £70m to assemble yet people want to slag off their own players. Don't tell me it is criticism when words like shit, turd etc. are being used, it's abuse.
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 28, 2019 20:19:32 GMT
Been going on for a while about this (including on here in the run up to this fixture). We don't even have a defence coach, no one is making the back line calls on the park, and we play out from the back come what may. We can't depend on outscoring the opposition. Man City and Liverpool are about the only two prem sides who always play out, because everyone else knows without the staff you can not do that all the time and get away with it. Yet thats what we do. It needs fixing, but its the least of it. They don't look drilled properly, and haven't done for a long long while. Warburton needs to get a grip on this because since he arrived we have not improved at the back.
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Post by acricketer on Sept 28, 2019 21:31:13 GMT
Up to today WBA had conceded nearly as many as us. Saw a lot of similarities in their play to ours this season only they are better at it than us. They will be vying for automatic promotion, we hopefully, will be vying for the 6th playoff place.
Not the end of our season today, take it on the chin, learn and move on.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Sept 28, 2019 22:05:08 GMT
Kane had a shocker today but he's been fine generally. agree but Furlong is superior player I think most of us were sad to see him go but that is a reflection of us and WBAs relative financial position.
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Post by acricketer on Sept 28, 2019 22:45:05 GMT
agree but Furlong is superior player I think most of us were sad to see him go but that is a reflection of us and WBAs relative financial position. I also think we are seeing the player he really is now he's gone.
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Post by West Acton on Sept 29, 2019 5:54:47 GMT
I know he took knee to back that was in front of me too and later he turned his ankle. But he was still on the pitch so should have made effort to shut down, so we won’t agree on this one mate
I know he’s not a lazy player but on that occasion yesterday he lacked desire as he started to go then stopped thinking Kane (or whoever was on side) was going push into the man but they never. As guy continued run wells lifted hand and gestured why did you not close
And we know the ending
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 6:22:31 GMT
Beaten by a better team with much better game management and there is no shame in that as I expect them to be in the top 2 especially with Bilic at the helm. We are a work in progress and a top half finish would be a excellent season.
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Post by Corbray on Sept 29, 2019 7:23:12 GMT
Beaten by a better team with much better game management and there is no shame in that as I expect them to be in the top 2 especially with Bilic at the helm. We are a work in progress and a top half finish would be a excellent season. this. it's the first game of the season where i actually think we were by far the worst team but we've all seen what we can do already. it's still early days and theres no shame losing to a team like west brom. we've just come off the back of winning 4 in a row as well. i'm a big fan of lumley and don't think he played worse than anyone else as no one really stuck out for me yesterday. if i had to give a motm it'd probably be tony leistner but even then he was average at best. substitutions came too late to change the game and we simply didn't win the battles in midfield, lost the ball too easily along with eze and chair both having baddish games.
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Post by West Acton on Sept 29, 2019 7:41:58 GMT
Everyone was average yesterday. Everything we have been good at this season we lacked.
Think game like yesterday was made for Amos as he is tenacious and plays forward, whereas yesterday everything felt slow and went backward. Hugill aside thought we sounded really quiet out there no voices
What’s happened to Hall??
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 29, 2019 9:02:12 GMT
We've earned one bad performance. Let's go and beat the sheep shaggers and get back on track.
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 29, 2019 9:10:28 GMT
Wells didn't get a sniff yesterday due to the imposing physicality of their huge CBs and our midfield getting crushed, and he was royally fucked off. That might explain why he didn't track back. Put it behind us now.
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Post by esoxlucius on Sept 29, 2019 10:57:09 GMT
Wells didn't get a sniff yesterday due to the imposing physicality of their huge CBs and our midfield getting crushed, and he was royally fucked off. That might explain why he didn't track back. Put it behind us now. The whack in the back is a better excuse for him not tracking Ferguson back.
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 29, 2019 11:11:47 GMT
Think we had the opportunity of appointing at least once over the last few years when we were looking, he was abroad and wanted back, wouldn't have been a top top money cotract at the time. Geniuses upstairs preferred to look elsewhere.
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Post by West Acton on Sept 29, 2019 11:31:59 GMT
Wells didn't get a sniff yesterday due to the imposing physicality of their huge CBs and our midfield getting crushed, and he was royally fucked off. That might explain why he didn't track back. Put it behind us now. The whack in the back is a better excuse for him not tracking Ferguson back. if you like offering players excuses then yes, equally he chose not too
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 29, 2019 13:40:32 GMT
imposing physicality of their huge CBs I can think of someone who'd have given them an interesting last half hour Only joking boys. (Then again with the mf missing en bloc and no width.....) Seriously though we need to learn from this rather than put it behind us as an aberration. Massive reality checks are always good if you can learn from em.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Sept 29, 2019 19:18:28 GMT
Thought WBA were nothing special but fair play, they totally had our number. Midfield was non-existent and you simply cannot allow the other side to dominate in that area in this league.
Probably would have been better with Cameron in MF in a 4-4-2. Lesson learnt IMO but I don't think we'll get anything at Cardiff mid-week and just hope we can break the Hoodoo that Blackburn seem to have on us next week.
Time for this team to show what it's made of.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 29, 2019 21:04:25 GMT
Warburton takes exception to a suggestion that the game had been an education for his young players.He said: “Without being rude to you, it’s derogatory. What do you mean it’s an education?
“Maybe their budget is multiples of ours and the expectations are there, but we’ve shown in recent weeks that we can go home and away and play good football and hurt teams.
“Up to last week we had the second-most chances created. So I think we’ve earned the right to be shown some respect and if teams don’t show us respect we’ll hurt them.”www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-wls-thats-derogatory-warburton-irritated-by-suggestion-qpr-were-given-education-by-west-bromThings learnt from QPR’s defeat against West BromBy West London Sport 29/09/2019 QPR’s winning run was brought to an end by West Brom in a game which underlined the visitors’ status as one of the Championship’s heavyweights. Rangers boss Mark Warburton was having none of it when it was suggested that his side were given an education by the Baggies. But the game did tell us some things about Warburton’s team. Cameron is no right-sided centre-backGeoff Cameron has operated as a central defender for much of his career and has previously looked the part in that position for QPR. But on the right of a three, he never looked comfortable and was quickly targeted by Albion, who realised early on that he was a weak link. Cameron is needed in midfieldCameron was missed in the centre of the pitch where, at his best, he does a great job in front of a back four. His performance at Stoke on the opening day set the tone for the win against his former team and against West Brom he might well have helped Rangers get a foothold in what was often a one-sided game. Eze and Chair are no longer surprise packagesThe young pair’s growing reputation meant Albion were wise to the threat of Ebere Eze and Ilias Chair and worked hard to shut them both out of the game. That’s something they will need to get used to, especially against the better, more streetwise teams in the division. Full article: www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/things-we-learnt-from-qprs-defeat-against-west-brom
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 29, 2019 21:19:58 GMT
I agree about Cameron, but with Hall and Barbet out he may have to play there midweek. Why not give Masterson a go? Can't hurt can it?
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Post by West Acton on Sept 29, 2019 21:31:47 GMT
Thought Sawyer was best player on the park. West Brom have signed a gem there from Brentford
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Post by acricketer on Sept 29, 2019 22:15:39 GMT
Thought WBA were nothing special but fair play, they totally had our number. Midfield was non-existent and you simply cannot allow the other side to dominate in that area in this league. Probably would have been better with Cameron in MF in a 4-5-2. Lesson learnt IMO but I don't think we'll get anything at Cardiff mid-week and just hope we can break the Hoodoo that Blackburn seem to have on us next week. Time for this team to show what it's made of. I'd be worried if WBA were nothing special. They beat us convincingly.
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 29, 2019 22:59:11 GMT
I reckon he'll revert to back four at Cardiff Ginge
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 29, 2019 23:13:26 GMT
Warburton doubts Luke Amos will be fit for the trip to Cardiff on Wednesday. He hopes to have him back for the visit of Blackburn or “very soon thereafter”. Warburton said: “He took a knock when he came on in the previous home game and is being managed now. “We have got two games this week, on Wednesday and Saturday, and then we have got the international break. We will see if we can get him ready for Saturday.” www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/luke-amos-qpr-boss-gives-update-on-on-loan-tottenham-youngsters-injury
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Post by Vespa on Sept 29, 2019 23:41:31 GMT
Thought WBA were nothing special but fair play, they totally had our number. Midfield was non-existent and you simply cannot allow the other side to dominate in that area in this league. Probably would have been better with Cameron in MF in a 4-5-2. Lesson learnt IMO but I don't think we'll get anything at Cardiff mid-week and just hope we can break the Hoodoo that Blackburn seem to have on us next week. Time for this team to show what it's made of. i thought they were excellent , They done a massive job on us ,they knew Eze was our playmaker ,and they marked him out of the match ,the only time he had the ball ,was in our own half, they were first to every ball in midfeild . The only Rangers players who really excelled for us was BFG and Barbet (and he got himsef sent off !) Kane ,if i!m being nice wasnt good enough and Lumley , fuck me , is always gping to cost us ,and his distrebution is woefull ...........................
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Post by West Acton on Sept 30, 2019 6:10:00 GMT
Your views on Kane Vespa for Saturday mirror mine. Young lad will be good learning curve
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