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Post by BrightonR on Apr 29, 2019 11:26:22 GMT
Involved in serious coach crash. Unhurt, but very sad news.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 29, 2019 13:21:02 GMT
That's terrible.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 15, 2019 18:59:03 GMT
The comeback kid doing well in Turkey and now in the process of becoming available to play for scotland. Ok last bit not a positive for ones career but lad has deff turned a corner.
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 15, 2019 21:02:55 GMT
He's turned so many corners he's back where he started. Waste of space.
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Post by acricketer on Oct 15, 2019 21:51:28 GMT
Obviously got problems. Hope he recovers.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 16, 2019 6:22:14 GMT
He's still only 27 years old, so as central defender he still has plenty of time to have a good finish to his career. That said, how many comebacks has he had? They always end up being short lived!
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Post by West Acton on Oct 16, 2019 8:36:04 GMT
If he’s doing well now then its clearly because he’s away from the environment, characters and distractions which he could not resist and which dragged him down
He would be foolish to return while he’s still playing as he will fall down again
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 16, 2019 8:38:19 GMT
If he’s doing well now then its clearly because he’s away from the environment, characters and distractions which he could not resist and which dragged him down He would be foolish to return while he’s still playing as he will fall down again Yeah, probably about right mate. Can't see there being much of a drinking culture in Turkish football. I was actually just reading that he also went through a mini bus accident that killed a team mate that he was close to. That kind of thing can change your perspective on life a bit! |
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Post by 72bus on Oct 16, 2019 9:59:04 GMT
Another player that stole a living here why getting well paid at QPR
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 16, 2019 10:09:54 GMT
Another player that stole a living here why getting well paid at QPR Just be grateful his wasn't the life mapped out for you. He is obviously struggling with demons he can't control and no amount of money will ever change that. I am just glad that he seems to have turned a corner and I hope that he finds inner peace with himself. The black dog is a heartless master/ mistress. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 16, 2019 10:50:36 GMT
Another player that stole a living here why getting well paid at QPR Just be grateful his wasn't the life mapped out for you. He is obviously struggling with demons he can't control and no amount of money will ever change that. I am just glad that he seems to have turned a corner and I hope that he finds inner peace with himself. The black dog is a heartless master/ mistress.The suggestion there that The Black Dog (i.e. depression) is typically the cause of alcoholism Esox? I'm not sure that is necessarily the case. There can be many reasons people turn to alcohol, for some it's simply a lack of self control / discipline. What is true is that alcohol definitely causes depression and anxiety for many people. It really does mess around pretty badly with our brain chemistry. I know this first hand as I took 2016 off the drink. The level of clarity of thought, as well as the total absence of any feelings of anxiety or generally being down was amazing, I mean literally mind blowing. I'm a person that does suffer a bit from general anxiety, and I was living in Johannesburg which is a city that could make anyone anxious, but without the booze the anxiety just wasn't there. Unfortunately the flip side is that life was incredibly boring, and many people would immediately assume things about me when I explained I was choosing not to drink for time being. The ultimate double edged sword really, but I wouldn't rule out another extended break from the booze in near future. It's a very good thing to do if (like me) a person has a troubled history with the drink. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 16, 2019 11:51:03 GMT
It was more to do with the death of a close friend. Even though I have had alcoholic poisoning three times in my younger days I have never really had a taste for alcohol and in my early twenties I pretty much stopped altogether as I wanted to do well in sport. I have been drunk twice since I turned forty and both occasions were at parties but other than that I don't often drink. These days it is confined to a bottle of red around once every two or three months and it lasts for a couple of days or I discovered that I liked the taste of Morlands Old Crafty Hen and I buy four bottles for £6 at Tescos ever few weeks and when I feel in the mood I'll drink one. I don't particularly feel my life is boring without alcohol even though I no longer compete in team sports but I still have match days at QPR to catch up with people and archery where I get to catch up with friends too. I admire you for admitting that you have had a drink problem in the past, and that you were able to give it up. Maybe try to pick apart what it was in getting drunk that wasn't boring and find a suitable substitute. Guessing from your post, you are back in the UK and I would hazard, younger than me, maybe find an activity that takes up your spare time and needs a bit of effort and practice; maybe something like golf? or like me, archery. You still get the camaraderie of meeting fellow enthusiasts but do so with a clear mind. I wish you well in the future and hope you find the answers.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 16, 2019 12:41:54 GMT
Just be grateful his wasn't the life mapped out for you. He is obviously struggling with demons he can't control and no amount of money will ever change that. I am just glad that he seems to have turned a corner and I hope that he finds inner peace with himself. The black dog is a heartless master/ mistress.The suggestion there that The Black Dog (i.e. depression) is typically the cause of alcoholism Esox? I'm not sure that is necessarily the case. There can be many reasons people turn to alcohol, for some it's simply a lack of self control / discipline. What is true is that alcohol definitely causes depression and anxiety for many people. It really does mess around pretty badly with our brain chemistry. I know this first hand as I took 2016 off the drink. The level of clarity of thought, as well as the total absence of any feelings of anxiety or generally being down was amazing, I mean literally mind blowing. I'm a person that does suffer a bit from general anxiety, and I was living in Johannesburg which is a city that could make anyone anxious, but without the booze the anxiety just wasn't there. Unfortunately the flip side is that life was incredibly boring, and many people would immediately assume things about me when I explained I was choosing not to drink for time being. The ultimate double edged sword really, but I wouldn't rule out another extended break from the booze in near future. It's a very good thing to do if (like me) a person has a troubled history with the drink. top post this. i'm a former drug addict and had a problem for years with my addiction. its incredibly difficult just getting sober and even when you are sober its still a battle. i've been clean for nearly 2 years but whenever i'm around friends who smoke weed the temptation to just have one puff is always in the back of my mind. i'll think stuff like "you've been clean for 2 years now and you've worked hard this week, treat yourself" etc. obviously its much easier for me to just say no now and i don't get the cravings, anxiety or shakes anymore but i still get the temptation when i'm round it |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 16, 2019 13:48:05 GMT
The suggestion there that The Black Dog (i.e. depression) is typically the cause of alcoholism Esox? I'm not sure that is necessarily the case. There can be many reasons people turn to alcohol, for some it's simply a lack of self control / discipline. What is true is that alcohol definitely causes depression and anxiety for many people. It really does mess around pretty badly with our brain chemistry. I know this first hand as I took 2016 off the drink. The level of clarity of thought, as well as the total absence of any feelings of anxiety or generally being down was amazing, I mean literally mind blowing. I'm a person that does suffer a bit from general anxiety, and I was living in Johannesburg which is a city that could make anyone anxious, but without the booze the anxiety just wasn't there. Unfortunately the flip side is that life was incredibly boring, and many people would immediately assume things about me when I explained I was choosing not to drink for time being. The ultimate double edged sword really, but I wouldn't rule out another extended break from the booze in near future. It's a very good thing to do if (like me) a person has a troubled history with the drink. top post this. i'm a former drug addict and had a problem for years with my addiction. its incredibly difficult just getting sober and even when you are sober its still a battle. i've been clean for nearly 2 years but whenever i'm around friends who smoke weed the temptation to just have one puff is always in the back of my mind. i'll think stuff like "you've been clean for 2 years now and you've worked hard this week, treat yourself" etc. obviously its much easier for me to just say no now and i don't get the cravings, anxiety or shakes anymore but i still get the temptation when i'm round it Great that you overcame that mate, nothing but respect for that! I'm lucky that I don't have an addictive personality. What I have is a binge mentality. I'm that bloke that will go for a pint on his lunch hour and then lose 36 hours of his life on a mad bender. Whilst not anywhere near as bad as being prone to addiction, my need to get hammered to the point of black out, and draw sessions out for days at a time has landed me in quite a lot of bother. Life for me is genuinely less complicated off the booze, but it's a pretty hard thing to do forever. I've done stints of 3 months quite regularly since 2015, and the whole of 2016. But certain events that year (weddings etc.) were utter torture. There is probably a middle ground somewhere. I just ain't got my head around moderation yet! |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 16, 2019 14:07:26 GMT
It was more to do with the death of a close friend. Even though I have had alcoholic poisoning three times in my younger days I have never really had a taste for alcohol and in my early twenties I pretty much stopped altogether as I wanted to do well in sport. I have been drunk twice since I turned forty and both occasions were at parties but other than that I don't often drink. These days it is confined to a bottle of red around once every two or three months and it lasts for a couple of days or I discovered that I liked the taste of Morlands Old Crafty Hen and I buy four bottles for £6 at Tescos ever few weeks and when I feel in the mood I'll drink one. I don't particularly feel my life is boring without alcohol even though I no longer compete in team sports but I still have match days at QPR to catch up with people and archery where I get to catch up with friends too. I admire you for admitting that you have had a drink problem in the past, and that you were able to give it up. Maybe try to pick apart what it was in getting drunk that wasn't boring and find a suitable substitute. Guessing from your post, you are back in the UK and I would hazard, younger than me, maybe find an activity that takes up your spare time and needs a bit of effort and practice; maybe something like golf? or like me, archery. You still get the camaraderie of meeting fellow enthusiasts but do so with a clear mind. I wish you well in the future and hope you find the answers. Nice post, thanks mate. And sorry to hear about your friend. 100% it is about the company you keep, and selecting pass times that don't involve boozing. Mine is Scuba Diving, although I'm not really a fan of cold climate diving. That's a problem here in Cape Town as most of the good diving is on the Atlantic Seaboard which is absolutely baltic! Next place I move will be somewhere I can dive every weekend. Makes for a much healthier social life than being somewhere where the pub is the go to at the weekends. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 16, 2019 14:15:03 GMT
These stories illustrate how none of us really know anyone else's story and my own story in the last twenty years or so has had some real lows and this is where my lack of criticism of others has developed. I have had cyclical, hormone related, depression since my twenties and the first few times I felt truly suicidal until I had it diagnosed and now I have some mental tools to deal with it but the feelings never really disappear. When my step daughter died a few short years ago I really struggled as it was my wife's second child to die, along with two dead grandchildren and her youngest brother. I honestly don't know how she deals with it as I really struggle most of the time, yet she does somehow.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 16, 2019 14:22:40 GMT
These stories illustrate how none of us really know anyone else's story and my own story in the last twenty years or so has had some real lows and this is where my lack of criticism of others has developed. I have had cyclical, hormone related, depression since my twenties and the first few times I felt truly suicidal until I had it diagnosed and now I have some mental tools to deal with it but the feelings never really disappear. When my step daughter died a few short years ago I really struggled as it was my wife's second child to die, along with two dead grandchildren and her youngest brother. I honestly don't know how she deals with it as I really struggle most of the time, yet she does somehow. That's a very sad tale mate. I'm truly sorry. Must be very tough! |
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 16, 2019 14:32:59 GMT
These stories illustrate how none of us really know anyone else's story and my own story in the last twenty years or so has had some real lows and this is where my lack of criticism of others has developed. I have had cyclical, hormone related, depression since my twenties and the first few times I felt truly suicidal until I had it diagnosed and now I have some mental tools to deal with it but the feelings never really disappear. When my step daughter died a few short years ago I really struggled as it was my wife's second child to die, along with two dead grandchildren and her youngest brother. I honestly don't know how she deals with it as I really struggle most of the time, yet she does somehow. That's a very sad tale mate. I'm truly sorry. Must be very though! It is, I have no shame in saying I cry most days, but I know I have to keep going and keep doing the things that give me stability. It is the same for my wife but I honestly don't know how she copes. |
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Post by 72bus on Oct 16, 2019 15:50:30 GMT
Just be grateful his wasn't the life mapped out for you. He is obviously struggling with demons he can't control and no amount of money will ever change that. I am just glad that he seems to have turned a corner and I hope that he finds inner peace with himself. The black dog is a heartless master/ mistress. . I used to stick needles in my arm and have been to jail 7 times , I'll be 21 years clean this year and now help people that want help . I've no time for 40k a week caulker milking my club |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 16, 2019 15:54:56 GMT
To be fair 72, everyone has to start somewhere. Yeah, he's been a plum and taken a few clubs for a ride. Does that mean he should be written off as lost cause at 27 years old? I personally hope he does sort his act out and get a few decent seasons under his belt.
Fair play to you though mate. That's a lot to come back from.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 16, 2019 15:58:10 GMT
only peados dont deserve a second chance.
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Post by 1973ranger on Jun 8, 2021 8:27:56 GMT
Watched him on a programme on C4 last night and seems that he had a very serious gambling addiction as well as the drink. Sounds like the gambling was the real issue behind his boozing.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jun 8, 2021 8:55:14 GMT
'kin 'ell... a player, Czech international Josef Sural, was killed apparently because...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 17:37:08 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 2, 2021 22:06:50 GMT
Weird old career this lad's had!
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Post by acricketer on Oct 21, 2021 22:24:58 GMT
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 22, 2021 0:21:09 GMT
Here he is with Osman:  |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 22, 2021 9:15:14 GMT
Weird old career this lad's had! Could have been so much more Tarbs, was a great young prospect. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jan 10, 2023 8:39:04 GMT
Signing for Wigan
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 10, 2023 8:42:52 GMT
Potentially a very good player. If he hadn’t been a knob.
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