Comms question you Warburton

No mate, if my kids were no good at maths I wouldn't encourage them to be mathematicians and watch their confidence suffer as they failed to reach the level required, I would encourage them to do something different that they could be good at. Let's practise being shit at something all the way to Div 1 and see where that gets us. And I have never said long ball, that isn't the only option.

I was just thinking of a compromise which might see us picking up the needed points this season. Iow, finding a middle ground.  It will also surprise the opposition, and I don`t think our attacking players will suffer from it. Their flair will show - even if we mix things up a little.  The more pace we can add to our play the better.   

How many wins in 31 league games? that is a more relevant measure of what he is or isn't capable of. 

Since October have a look at our league form. Renember last season great up till xmas then dropped like a stone.

You are correct in saying that our players are not as bad as the system has made them, but they have made significant improvements to their technique and passing ability to continue within this system, this is down to the point Westy was making about practicing and working on improvement until you get to where you want to be. I have read enough of your posts to know that you understand modern football but you seem reluctant to take on board that the club is developing players that are a saleable asset and how we play is what teams want now. If we had a core of say 6-7 defenders who got stuck into every tackle, took the red & yellow cards as necessary and lumped the ball upfield or out of the stadium rather than take any risk in keeping possession and probing the opposition we would struggle to get anyone from the EPL, and possibly other Championship teams to make offers for them. As things stand with our revenue stream it would be a minor miracle if we picked up a suitable defender for free, developed them on a minimum age and then sold them for the sort of money that would put us in profit for that season. Defenders like Danny Maddix who made a whole career at QPR don't come along very often and, paradoxically, if he turned up now he probably wouldn't get picked up as he doesnt fit in with what the club are trying to do, IMO I think with his pace and defensive nous the passing and ball carrying could be coached into him, but my point stands. Just about ALL our defenders were rejects/ out of contract players that their parent clubs had no use for, quite possibly because they didn't think they would adapt sufficiently to the style of play QPR is trying to get them to play. Don't get me wrong, I hate us losing as much as any of us going to games week in and week out but I don't think we will, or should change what we are trying to do to stop the club dropping into insolvency. It IS fucking hard to bite your lip when you see the same error being made but if you step back and ask yourself "what is the viable alternative?" it becomes a chastening moment as there isn't really much else we can do. The way we fell out of the EPL last time felt a lot like the time we dropped under Wilkins and, similarly, I thought it would take us ten years to undo the harm that had been done. Perhaps if we had gone immediately down the route we are now on rather than wait until the parachute money had run out we may have only been looking at five or six years as we could still have afforded slightly better "freebies, loanees and rejects" that we have currently had to choose from. It also takes about 8-10 years to see the benefits of producing home grown players but thanks to the EPL sponsored thievery that is the Elite Player Performance Plan which would offer us peanuts for a potentially profitable player even that path is paved with pitfalls.
 If that was a bit TLDR, in summary, We have decent but not great players who WILL have to keep on trying to play the way they are being asked to as it is the only way we can make the money to avoid administration or insolvency unless a multi purpose stadium hoves into view. Thanks for taking the time to read.

I guess it all depends on the players and wages that are included in the 3 years to May 2020, no? Be interesting to see next set of accounts. I think we will still struggle as our income just isn’t enough. Selling Eze for 15m is unfortunately a must to make us compete long term.

Nail on fucking head!!!

I'd like to BOS alongside Hugill and just hump the ball up to the half-way line. To continue making the same mistakes week on week you can only come to one conclusion.

Can see all sides of the argument here. Absolutely no point in dumping the passing game at the back, as that will only lead to more lumping it upfield and things will never evolve. But I think we have to accept that the main problem here is the total inability of the players to make the correct decisions at certain times. By all means pass it around if you are 90% plus confident in what you are doing, but if in doubt, clear the ball sensibly. Not just aimlessly into touch as we often do, but to where it can’t damage us.

Totally agree with Alan about our passing not improving one iota. It’s shocking. The constant playing of the ball behind someone completely hinders any forward progress, just adding to the painfully slow and hence, ineffective build up. BOS, Kane, Eze and any striker, whoever it may be, are having to receive the ball way too deep as opposed to using their speed running into space. Absolute appalling that professional footballers, training every day, getting paid huge sums of money, cannot do something as simple as passing a football 20 yards. And unfortunately, the manager needs to take a huge slice of the blame for allowing this to continue and not correcting it this far into a season.