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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 28, 2019 15:29:51 GMT
The way I see it, all Hal is doing is comparing Matt Smith's career goal per minutes ratio to Mlakar, Hugill (and Sylla previously), which according to Transfermarkt is as follows:
Mlakar: 140 mins (albeit over a much shorter career)
Smith: 192 mins
Sylla: 215 mins
Hugill: 222 mins
The whole thing is a bit of a moot argument though, as Smith wanted to leave due to not being guaranteed a regular start, otherwise he may well still be at the club.
Whether or not people rate him as a better/worse player than the others is a side-issue to what Hal is debating really. He's just going by his actual scoring stats which, ultimately, is the most important stat for any goalscorer, I'm sure we would all agree.
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Post by esoxlucius on Jul 28, 2019 16:36:40 GMT
Style of play would also be a hugely determining factor too. Listening to 'boro fans they felt Hugill was wasted in a team set up to defend and not lose. Mlakar was brought in to play in a style similar to his role at Maribor where he was almost a goal every other game. Matthieu Smith probably wouldn't start in our current set up and the service to suit his particular style isn't how the team is now set up.
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 28, 2019 17:10:58 GMT
The way I see it, all Hal is doing is comparing Matt Smith's career goal per minutes ratio to Mlakar, Hugill (and Sylla previously), which according to Transfermarkt is as follows: Mlakar: 140 mins (albeit over a much shorter career) Smith: 192 mins Sylla: 215 mins Hugill: 222 mins The whole thing is a bit of a moot argument though, as Smith wanted to leave due to not being guaranteed a regular start, otherwise he may well still be at the club. Whether or not people rate him as a better/worse player than the others is a side-issue to what Hal is debating really. He's just going by his actual scoring stats which, ultimately, is the most important stat for any goalscorer, I'm sure we would all agree. Mlakar: 140 mins (albeit over a much shorter career) and at a much lower level. At the Ruperts and with us Smith was never really given a fair crack of the whip, ie with at least one proper winger. And despite that, and never being an one up striker, he still managed to find the net or assist on a regular basis. I like that in a player, it doesn't matter how they end up in back of the net. It is what it is now, I accept that, but we will without any question be needing a Plan B at some stage. Warburton plays excatly the same set up that JFH did: 4-2-3-1, the same system that a lot of sides have stopped using because it's a realtively easy one to defend against. We have to be able to offer something else. Right now, our goal threat looks weak, never mind what system we end up with. Warburton is relying on AMF support off the one to find the goals. It could happen, someone could step up. Maybe the kid will work out. Who knows. We'll see. |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 28, 2019 18:14:42 GMT
He played 4141 yesterday
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 28, 2019 18:44:38 GMT
Not happening. Just seen on Sky Sports Twitter, Aberdeen rejected a £3m bid from us and Forest. They're asking for £10m. They can fuck off lol. |
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Post by Shania on Jul 28, 2019 20:44:33 GMT
We need another striker, but we are not getting it, I guess.
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 28, 2019 21:49:01 GMT
yeah that was always his standby to 4-2-3-1. If you look at his career stats, its like 75 % 4-2-3-1 and the rest 4-1-4-1.
In theory the latter gives you more width up top and is a more positive, go forward type of set up. You'd be more likely to use it vs bus parkers.
But the fact is they really aren't disimilar. You still have the one up, you still have the reliance on AMFs converting. Maybe they will. I still think ditching your no.1 striker at a club with resources as limited as ours was a massive risk, a questionable call irrespective of your default set up.
I think we're done on the big fella here, I hope he gets better looked after down the road, and I hope Warburton turns out to have been right. |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 29, 2019 7:20:23 GMT
I looked very good against a prem side. Got in some really nice positions attacking, whilst at same time never looked like being over run in defence.
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Post by Shania on Jul 29, 2019 19:53:04 GMT
A third bid on Judge rejected alledgedly.
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 29, 2019 20:12:28 GMT
A third bid on Judge rejected alledgedly. Really? Need to let that one go I think. Surely there are better plans than spunking 600k plus on a 30 year old with a gammy leg?!! |
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Post by Shania on Jul 29, 2019 20:25:27 GMT
I guess you are spot on, but I saw it on QPRnewsnow. And by the way; Isn`t Judge good at taking free kicks? That`s a plus..penalties also..
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Post by spongeparr on Jul 30, 2019 7:10:22 GMT
Judge is highly rated by Ipswich and Brentford so I think he would be a cracking signing but I do think our signings have finished.
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Post by Greg1882 on Jul 30, 2019 7:50:18 GMT
A third bid on Judge rejected alledgedly. Really? Need to let that one go I think. Surely there are better plans than spunking 600k plus on a 30 year old with a gammy leg?!! Think we’ve gotta trust warbs mate. If that’s who he wants we should go all out to get him. We look pretty well equipped elsewhere |
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Post by theblob on Jul 30, 2019 9:19:05 GMT
Judge wants away,a sensible bid will secure his services.
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 30, 2019 9:26:47 GMT
Judge wants away,a sensible bid will secure his services. 600k wasn't a sensible bid for a Championship standard player that probably only has 2 or 3 seasons left in the tank (at best)? Honestly, with the transfer market in the Championship how it is, and so many players available on free transfers I don't think we should be paying Ipswich the 750k they are asking for. Let them deal with the fact their best player is pissed off cos he hasn't been allowed to move and we'll pick him up for less in January! |
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Jul 30, 2019 10:07:18 GMT
Apparently, we are considering upping our offer for McKenna.
I imagine they are looking at him as a investment they can probably flip for 2 or 3 times the amount in the next 2/3 years. Apparently Aberdeen turned down bids in excess of 5 mill in January so god knows what it would cost to move him on.
If he did sign he would obviously go straight into the first 11. Be interesting to see he would drop out at CB as I believe Hall has captained the side when playing in pre season?
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Jul 30, 2019 10:08:35 GMT
Apparently, we are considering upping our offer for McKenna. I imagine they are looking at him as a investment they can probably flip for 2 or 3 times the amount in the next 2/3 years. Apparently Aberdeen turned down bids in excess of 5 mill in January so god knows what it would cost to move him on. If he did sign he would obviously go straight into the first 11. Be interesting to see he would drop out at CB as I believe Hall has captained the side when playing in pre season? If we did sign McKenna and Judge then surely this team should be striving for a top half finish. |
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Post by Corbray on Jul 30, 2019 10:26:24 GMT
Apparently, we are considering upping our offer for McKenna. I imagine they are looking at him as a investment they can probably flip for 2 or 3 times the amount in the next 2/3 years. Apparently Aberdeen turned down bids in excess of 5 mill in January so god knows what it would cost to move him on. If he did sign he would obviously go straight into the first 11. Be interesting to see he would drop out at CB as I believe Hall has captained the side when playing in pre season? hall is a great CB at this level but far too unreliable with his i juries whilst leistner won't fit into this style of play probably. mckenna would be a brilliant signing, i'd be surprised if he came here but hes an excellent CB |
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Post by Shania on Jul 30, 2019 10:44:08 GMT
Judge is highly rated by Ipswich and Brentford so I think he would be a cracking signing but I do think our signings have finished. At least one more signing, according to MW postmatch Watford. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 30, 2019 11:03:56 GMT
Apparently, we are considering upping our offer for McKenna. I imagine they are looking at him as a investment they can probably flip for 2 or 3 times the amount in the next 2/3 years. Apparently Aberdeen turned down bids in excess of 5 mill in January so god knows what it would cost to move him on. If he did sign he would obviously go straight into the first 11. Be interesting to see he would drop out at CB as I believe Hall has captained the side when playing in pre season? I can't quite get my head around this Scott McKenna offer. Celtic offered 3.5m for him last summer, Villa apparently offered even more than that (rumoured to be maybe as high as 5m). He's also contracted til 2023. How come all of a sudden do us and Forest think we are going to get him for 2 or 3m? Surely Aberdeen will be holding out for similar to last window? Perhaps Forest can afford that, but we certainly can't. I'm actually amazed there is even a couple of mil to spend on 1 player. The thought also crossed my mind that if Forest land McKenna, might it open the door for Joe Worral to sign for us? Forest seem to have a lot of competition for defensive positions, and perhaps they will need to balance the books if they spend big to land McKenna. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 30, 2019 11:33:01 GMT
Wasnt there a rumour going round that Aberdeen wanted £10m for him? Not a chance are we gonna pay anywhere near that surely.
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 30, 2019 12:02:24 GMT
Wasnt there a rumour going round that Aberdeen wanted £10m for him? Not a chance are we gonna pay anywhere near that surely. Makes me wonder why we are bothering. I suppose it's just a case of making a bid, hoping the player has his head turned and forces the move, then seeing what you can negotiate. Either way, I don't there is much chance of him ending up at Loftus Road. |
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Post by acricketer on Jul 30, 2019 12:08:20 GMT
Wasn't there supposed to be another incoming yesterday? All the buzz on the weekend was Hugill and one other.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jul 30, 2019 12:08:29 GMT
I see Wheeler has left on a free.
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Post by acricketer on Jul 30, 2019 12:09:36 GMT
I see Wheeler has left on a free. To Wycombe. Good luck to the feller. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 30, 2019 12:11:32 GMT
I see Wheeler has left on a free. Good move for him, and for Wycombe. I think Goss' departure will also be announced in the next few days. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Jul 30, 2019 12:13:13 GMT
£600K was what we paid Boswanka every twelve weeks. Or Seizure every six..... Oh the times they are a changing.
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 30, 2019 12:20:20 GMT
£600K was what we paid Boswanka every twelve weeks. Or Seizure every six..... Oh the times they are a changing. What a ludicrous 2 or 3 years of our history that period was. I actually cringe when I look back! |
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Post by Hitman34 on Jul 30, 2019 14:15:20 GMT
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Post by Hitman34 on Jul 30, 2019 15:35:54 GMT
where is this money for the aberdeen fella coming from.
14 free transfers and now we are bidding over 3 mil for mckenna all of a sudden
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