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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 16, 2020 11:25:45 GMT
A lot has been posted about our style of play, attitude since lock down, possible signings etc. What we lack is a leader on the pitch - someone to run the game, know when to pass or punt, dish out a bollocking or two, organise set pieces and generally set an example. All good teams have one.
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Post by The General on Jul 16, 2020 11:39:16 GMT
Totally Agree Alan
We need a leader on the pitch in midfield and defence spine of the team
Need Roy Kean as a coach too to motivate people
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jul 16, 2020 11:39:26 GMT
You cant bollox players no more,its against their human rights,,😊
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 11:45:02 GMT
Listening to this weeks podcast Flo Lloyd was allowed at the Luton game in a press role and commented how easy it was to hear what players and coaching staff were saying.
According to Flo only Dom Ball and Joe Lumley were vocal in encouragement amongst our players...the rest were silent.
Agree with your point about needing a genuine Leader on the pitch even if it means breaking our wage ceiling to get one.
Would much prefer to pay decent money to one player than pay two below average players modestly.
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Post by Bill on Jul 16, 2020 12:14:28 GMT
You cant bollox players no more,its against their human rights,,😊 Its not PC...…...clear the fucking thing...……….I say old chap could you give it a punt up the field |
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Post by Brian Wilson on Jul 16, 2020 12:39:57 GMT
You cant bollox players no more,its against their human rights,,😊 Its not PC...…...clear the fucking thing...……….I say old chap could you give it a punt up the field Have you always liked strong men Bill? |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 16, 2020 12:47:30 GMT
That’s why I suggested Pearson in another thread
We’re a pretty side we’re too nice, yes we can play nice football and on our day give any side a game but can’t imagine Anyone looks in the fixture list sees us coming up and says oh shit not looking forward to this.
Karl Henry and Dunne probably last time we had a proper savvy players on the pitch who knew the dark arts. That’s why would not be against Watson we need leaders and experience
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 12:59:07 GMT
That’s why I suggested Pearson in another thread As in Big Nige managing Watford? Or different Pearson? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jul 16, 2020 13:00:09 GMT
Its not PC...…...clear the fucking thing...……….I say old chap could you give it a punt up the field Have you always liked strong men Bill? Bill,if u like bald daddy types its ok. Dont let x dress fan Brian bully u. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 16, 2020 13:00:36 GMT
Been saying the same mate. We've lost a couple of the leaders we had in Hall and Rangel in the last few weeks. Arguably our best leader is on loan in Germany.
It really only leaves Cameron and possibly Wallace as genuine senior pros in the squad. And neither of those are particularly regular starters.
It needs addressing. And we need more than 1 of them bringing in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 13:03:13 GMT
That’s why I suggested Pearson in another thread We’re a pretty side we’re too nice, yes we can play nice football and on our day give any side a game but can’t imagine Anyone looks in the fixture list sees us coming up and says oh shit not looking forward to this. Karl Henry and Dunne probably last time we had a proper savvy players on the pitch who knew the dark arts. That’s why would not be against Watson we need leaders and experience Can Pearson play ? i havnt seen enough of him to comment..only seen him a couple of times...horrible player to play against I guess. Phil jagelka and Ashley Williams are both out of contract but not sure on their legs or desire. |
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Post by johnnykc on Jul 16, 2020 13:03:14 GMT
Listening to this weeks podcast Flo Lloyd was allowed at the Luton game in a press role and commented how easy it was to hear what players and coaching staff were saying. According to Flo only Dom Ball and Joe Lumley were vocal in encouragement amongst our players...the rest were silent. Agree with your point about needing a genuine Leader on the pitch even if it means breaking our wage ceiling to get one. Would much prefer to pay decent money to one player than pay two below average players modestly. I'm not sure it is necessary to break the bank to get the right kind of player.... certain players are just vocal and like to organise... it's probably about finding the right character which brings us back to our scouting 'network' |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 16, 2020 13:21:12 GMT
That’s why I suggested Pearson in another thread As in Big Nige managing Watford? Or different Pearson? sorry beano meant Pearson who plays midfield at Preston not Nigel |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 16, 2020 13:22:59 GMT
That’s why I suggested Pearson in another thread We’re a pretty side we’re too nice, yes we can play nice football and on our day give any side a game but can’t imagine Anyone looks in the fixture list sees us coming up and says oh shit not looking forward to this. Karl Henry and Dunne probably last time we had a proper savvy players on the pitch who knew the dark arts. That’s why would not be against Watson we need leaders and experience Can Pearson play ? i havnt seen enough of him to comment..only seen him a couple of times...horrible player to play against I guess. Phil jagelka and Ashley Williams are both out of contract but not sure on their legs or desire. two good shouts and had thought few days back both would be sensible signings There will be players out then this window it’s a buyers market on this occasion |
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Post by Corbray on Jul 16, 2020 14:21:30 GMT
That’s why I suggested Pearson in another thread We’re a pretty side we’re too nice, yes we can play nice football and on our day give any side a game but can’t imagine Anyone looks in the fixture list sees us coming up and says oh shit not looking forward to this. Karl Henry and Dunne probably last time we had a proper savvy players on the pitch who knew the dark arts. That’s why would not be against Watson we need leaders and experience Can Pearson play ? i havnt seen enough of him to comment..only seen him a couple of times...horrible player to play against I guess. Phil jagelka and Ashley Williams are both out of contract but not sure on their legs or desire. pearson is good on the ball and gets stuck in too. he'd be a perfect signing for us imo |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 14:37:37 GMT
Hill last proper leader we had?
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 16, 2020 14:49:23 GMT
Hill last proper leader we had? With Derry too, Warnock knows what he's doing. Look how he's rescued Middlesbrough at the death. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 16, 2020 15:16:36 GMT
Hill last proper leader we had? With Derry too, Warnock knows what he's doing. Look how he's rescued Middlesbrough at the death. Knows his stuff in this Alan that is for sure, Kenny, Hill, Derry and Helguson all brought in at start of 10-11 season and looked what happened. Helguson was going nowhere before NW came in and was outstanding for 2 seasons after. What we would do for Heidar right now. |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 16, 2020 15:20:22 GMT
Heider well underrated proper player
He was here before Warnock I’m sure??? Warnock just used him while previous manager ignored and loaned him out
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 16, 2020 15:27:45 GMT
Heider well underrated proper player He was here before Warnock I’m sure??? Warnock just used him while previous manager ignored and loaned him out Yes he was with us but bombed out until Neil brought him back and him and Adel were a great combination. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jul 16, 2020 16:34:47 GMT
Why do we need a leader? It sends out the wrong message to youngsters. It says I have to be confined to follow orders and not free to express my potential. Also leaders are above lesser folk and we all equal arnt we? It's not about leading,winning or losing,it's the taking part.  |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 16, 2020 16:37:14 GMT
Incredible to think that was 10 years ago now.
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Post by hal9thou on Jul 16, 2020 17:49:19 GMT
Have you always liked strong men Bill?
Leighsy gone all inclusive these days with this excellent piece of news.....
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Post by Bill on Jul 16, 2020 17:55:47 GMT
Its not PC...…...clear the fucking thing...……….I say old chap could you give it a punt up the field Have you always liked strong men Bill? Have you always been a dickhead |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jul 17, 2020 12:32:11 GMT
Proper leaders are usually the best players in the team - ie someone the others look up to and someone who is a proper example to the rest.
Not sure who really fits that bill for us. Eze is probably our star player but could he properly bollock someone ?
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Post by acricketer on Jul 17, 2020 23:33:02 GMT
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Post by Bill on Aug 17, 2022 17:01:07 GMT
Early days but Mr Beale does not seem very passionate on the sidelines.
Also as I and many others have said we don't have a real leader/warrior on the pitch since Derry.
I feel you have to lead by example and at times last night some were just seemingly going through the game with no passion,commitment or actually playing for the shirt.
We as supporters have to play our part by not getting on the back of players to quickly or easily.Sadly it's a trait that has been with us for ages as a crowd.I am guilty as much as anyone.br]
The only exception is Mr Dykes of which I am sure most agree,then again our board signed him😱
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 17, 2022 17:58:26 GMT
Two plus years on and this thread as relevant as ever.
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Post by Shania on Aug 17, 2022 18:17:32 GMT
Imo, we are lacking a leader who leads by excample, mainly because this season current captain Stefan J is not the player he used to be. Of other players in the squad/team I would say that Jimmy Dunne has got at least some of the attributes to be a (future) leader.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 17, 2022 19:03:44 GMT
Two plus years on and this thread as relevant as ever. Was thinking the same - started reading and didn't notice the date for a while. Nothing stood out until it got to the bit about us having a leader in Dom Ball. Stefan is supposed to be that guy: captain, older, former international - but he can get blown off the ball by a gentle breeze and seems incredibly quiet. I saw Chair getting animated last night but can't think of anyone else. When the manager also seems quite weak that's not great. |
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