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Post by Vespa on Oct 28, 2020 9:16:24 GMT
i didn`t realise the stats were as bad as that ! But my gut feeling is to stick , I know if those figures are correct ,it could hardly be called a knee jerk reaction , but yesterdays game would have been so different if Dickie hadn`t got himself sent off . i felt really optimistic after the Bournemouth match and certainly wasn`t thinking of sacking MW then , has so much changed since then ? I`m not sure . With Eze gone and Bos not wanting to sign , there is precious little creativity and the i can see the writing being on the wall for MW , but i hope not ,because under him i started enjoying going to Rangers again .
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 28, 2020 9:20:29 GMT
What are the stats like, excluding the lock down games? We were having an outside shot of play offs at that stage.
This season, been up and down as a mid table team would be. Such a shame we got the red card as I thought we looked good, really dominating and a good team selection. I think stick with him for a while longer, let him use the latest signings and see how we get on.
Like it or not, Manning created a lot of our stuff last year, either directly or in directly. So did Eze and so did BOS. That is a lot of goals to lose so we need a better defence, and this season we have been better at the back.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 28, 2020 9:36:52 GMT
he's on thin ice and we should be looking at other potential options to step in. his philosophy is the kind we want at the club and he's taken us forward but his record, application, motivating and tactical awareness has been seriously lacking.
where we actually a good team last season or was it due to having one of the best attacking lineups in the league + our best player since taarabt dragging us through games? we knew we'd miss those players but i think we made some excellent astute signings to make up for it, all we needed was to modify the style a bit and we'd be fine but we've regressed dramatically.
no goals in over 5 hours of football and barely a shot on target in that time is unacceptable.
he's had more backing in the market than anyone since redknapp yet has an embarrassing record this season. i could have stomached a 3-0 loss against bournemouth or another top side but barnsley? come off it, thats a shambolic result. we weren't even unlucky against them either as they tore us apart and our heads dropped. if it wasn't for dieng it would have been 5 or 6 for certain.
its the same story every game. he doesn't set up right, can't motivate the players, has no plan B, can't iron out our mistakes, poor substitutions and can't play us to our strengths.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2020 9:42:17 GMT
he's on thin ice and we should be looking at other potential options to step in. his philosophy is the kind we want at the club and he's taken us forward but his record, application, motivating and tactical awareness has been seriously lacking. where we actually a good team last season or was it due to having one of the best attacking lineups in the league + our best player since taarabt dragging us through games? we knew we'd miss those players but i think we made some excellent astute signings to make up for it, all we needed was to modify the style a bit and we'd be fine but we've regressed dramatically. no goals in over 5 hours of football and barely a shot on target in that time is unacceptable. he's had more backing in the market than anyone since redknapp yet has an embarrassing record this season. i could have stomached a 3-0 loss against bournemouth or another top side but barnsley? come off it, thats a shambolic result. we weren't even unlucky against them either as they tore us apart and our heads dropped. if it wasn't for dieng it would have been 5 or 6 for certain. its the same story every game. he doesn't set up right, can't motivate the players, has no plan B, can't iron out our mistakes, poor substitutions and can't play us to our strengths. Corbs, apparently you are just a "keyboard warrior" and in "a small minority" 😊
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 9:44:33 GMT
Preston and last night we go a goal down and never looked like getting back into the game. Ok last night we lost a man but those left on seemed to have a here we go again mentality.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 28, 2020 9:55:58 GMT
i didn`t realise the stats were as bad as that ! But my gut feeling is to stick , I know if those figures are correct ,it could hardly be called a knee jerk reaction , but yesterdays game would have been so different if Dickie hadn`t got himself sent off . i felt really optimistic after the Bournemouth match and certainly wasn`t thinking of sacking MW then , has so much changed since then ? I`m not sure . With Eze gone and Bos not wanting to sign , there is precious little creativity and the i can see the writing being on the wall for MW , but i hope not ,because under him i started enjoying going to Rangers again . That is pretty much how I feel mate. Dickie had a poor game against Brum I thought and he has got away with a couple of those tugs. Barnsley were not in it until then. I still don't understand why it was a red though as that seems harsh.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2020 9:56:16 GMT
That is another concern, 73. Every time we go a goal down heads seem to drop. Comes back to lack of leaders, confidence and fighting spirit in the team, which in turn comes back to Warbs.
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 28, 2020 10:25:46 GMT
he's had more backing in the market than anyone since redknapp Think Jimmy spent a few quid as well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 10:31:08 GMT
Counting heads in the squad photo we have 22 players of a stipulated League squad of 25
This includes Kellman who is underage but could be seen to be first team squad material by some.
Having injuries to Amos and Ramkilde is unfortunate but likely to occur to most teams at some stage and surely should have been factored in this seasons plans by management.
The current BOS situation appears to have been considered in detail by the arrival of Willock or Albert.
That still leaves us at least 2 short of the allowance of 25 with BOS expected to be sent to fetch a long weight.
It’s hard not to have some sympathy for MW but would have to say it’s again rank bad management from him and the club.
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 10:33:59 GMT
That is another concern, 73. Every time we go a goal down heads seem to drop. Comes back to lack of leaders, confidence and fighting spirit in the team, which in turn comes back to Warbs. Preston you saw it and last night once we went down to 10 men and conceded they just seemed to flatten out and accept that getting back into the game was not going to happen.
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Post by Shania on Oct 28, 2020 10:34:07 GMT
That is another concern, 73. Every time we go a goal down heads seem to drop. Comes back to lack of leaders, confidence and fighting spirit in the team, which in turn comes back to Warbs. To be fair: That`s hardly his fault, is it? It`s more down to lack of scouting and budget imo. With hindsight we should probably have signed Ben Watson on a short term contract..
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 10:36:20 GMT
That is another concern, 73. Every time we go a goal down heads seem to drop. Comes back to lack of leaders, confidence and fighting spirit in the team, which in turn comes back to Warbs. To be fair: That`s hardly his fault, is it? It`s more down to lack of scouting and budget imo. With hindsight we should probably have signed Ben Watson.. Surely as a manager he should know what is missing in the squad especially having had a full season with the majority of the squad. Why get Carroll as he has zero leadership qualities.
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Post by Shania on Oct 28, 2020 10:46:44 GMT
To be fair: That`s hardly his fault, is it? It`s more down to lack of scouting and budget imo. With hindsight we should probably have signed Ben Watson.. Surely as a manager he should know what is missing in the squad especially having had a full season with the majority of the squad. Why get Carroll as he has zero leadership qualities.That`s a very valid point. A very strange decision.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 28, 2020 10:48:53 GMT
he's had more backing in the market than anyone since redknapp Think Jimmy spent a few quid as well not much irc, off the top of my head i can only remember ELK who was 350k, polter who was 1.5m and chery who was 3m. was smithies signed by jfh? either way warbs has had around 6-7m to spend and has brought in promising players but can't get any of them to play a tune
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 28, 2020 11:11:08 GMT
It's a little early to judge the recruitment from the most recent window, surely? Especially as so many have come in, and have gone straight into the first team. This would be the case irrespective of who the manager is. It was pretty much another complete overhaul. And I'm not referring to the positions of players signed, rather the actual players and their qualities.
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 11:15:40 GMT
It's a little early to judge the recruitment from the most recent window, surely? Especially as so many have come in, and have gone straight into the first team. This would be the case irrespective of who the manager is. It was pretty much another complete overhaul. Agree with that Stan and Bonne looks like the biggest gamble to me as looks as green as grass right now. Dickie tug aside has done ok as has Dykes.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 28, 2020 11:55:33 GMT
Id have more confidence going bb in a crack head street walker than mw as manager
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 28, 2020 12:35:07 GMT
If there no improvement in the next three games, in terms of points and performance, he'll go just before the international break.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Oct 28, 2020 13:03:11 GMT
Maybe the stats are poor but this is not only a result business but also entertainment business, at least so long when there is no chance to go up or down. Entertainment wise we were brilliant. I'm pretty sure we'll get that back soon.
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Post by Shania on Oct 28, 2020 13:11:17 GMT
I really hope Amid has other candidates lined up, because I can`t see how Warburton`s weaknesses will disapear even with a little bit more time. Pearson or other candidates from abroad should be contacted asap imo.
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 28, 2020 13:19:17 GMT
Maybe the stats are poor but this is not only a result business but also entertainment business, at least so long when there is no chance to go up or down. Entertainment wise we were brilliant. I'm pretty sure we'll get that back soon. Were brilliant with Eze very dull without no goal in 5 hours tells you that. Keep him too long and league 1 is an absolute certainty based on the past 19 games since lockdown 3 wins only so the entertainment side is clearly a lot further back than then.
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 28, 2020 13:41:32 GMT
Think Jimmy spent a few quid as well not much irc, off the top of my head i can only remember ELK who was 350k, polter who was 1.5m and chery who was 3m. was smithies signed by jfh? either way warbs has had around 6-7m to spend and has brought in promising players but can't get any of them to play a tune Polter, Chery, and Smithies was Ramsey, who also spent a few quid that summer IIRC, but Chelsea legend Jimmy brought in such venerable names as: Winter 15/16 Washington 3m?, Ingram 400k?, El Khayati 350k?, Yelko Pino (loan)? Summer 16/17 Sylla 2.5m?, Borysiuk 1.6m?, Bidwell 1.5m?, Cousins 1.4m?, Lynch 1.3m?, Ngbakoto 1m?, Wszolek (loan)?
Maybe my numbers are a bit off, but that´s a fair whack either way.
(BTW that Yelko Pino was some loan signing, up there with Oguchi Onyewu for pointless loan, but at least Oguchi was legendary for his fight with Zlatan)
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 28, 2020 14:03:26 GMT
For comparison:
In the summer of 2015 Ramsey signed: Luongo, Chery, Polter, Smithies, Perch, Gladwin, Hall, Blackwood for fees combined in the region of 12m maybe? Added free transfers of N´Guessan, Tözsér, Gobern, Mackie, and JET, and topped it off with loan signings Konchesky and Angella.
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 28, 2020 14:16:23 GMT
More fun:
Holloway: Winter 16/17: Wszolek, Smith, Goss, Freeman. Combined 3m maybe? Loans: Morrison and Lua Lua Summer 17/18: Wheeler, Smyth, Scowen, Baptiste, BOS. Combined 1m maybe? Loan: Lua Lua Winter 17/18: Fuck all
McLaren:
Summer 18/19: Leistner and Rangel for fuck all. Loans: Hemed, Wells, Cameron Winter 18/19: Fuck all
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 28, 2020 14:18:51 GMT
If he was to get the tin tack who’d be the most likely not super expensive target? My guess would be Ainsworth. Could see Barton and Clint Hill in the running too tbh. I would be sounding Lee Bowyer out tomorrow Jimmy. I must admit I do like Bowyer. Hasn't pulled up trees but think he could do ok.
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 28, 2020 14:19:46 GMT
All in all I think it is fair to say that Warbs is the first manager since Jimmy who has been backed in the market, but bear in mind that his predecessors had a varying number of high wage "stars" at their disposal as well, when comparing performances.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 28, 2020 14:26:17 GMT
More fun: Holloway: Winter 16/17: Wszolek, Smith, Goss, Freeman. Combined 3m maybe? Loans: Morrison and Lua Lua Summer 17/18: Wheeler, Smyth, Scowen, Baptiste, BOS. Combined 1m maybe? Loan: Lua Lua Winter 17/18: Fuck all McLaren: Summer 18/19: Leistner and Rangel for fuck all. Loans: Hemed, Wells, Cameron Winter 18/19: Fuck all do you mind deleting your posts so you can you stop proving me wrong?
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 28, 2020 14:29:23 GMT
More fun: Holloway: Winter 16/17: Wszolek, Smith, Goss, Freeman. Combined 3m maybe? Loans: Morrison and Lua Lua Summer 17/18: Wheeler, Smyth, Scowen, Baptiste, BOS. Combined 1m maybe? Loan: Lua Lua Winter 17/18: Fuck all McLaren: Summer 18/19: Leistner and Rangel for fuck all. Loans: Hemed, Wells, Cameron Winter 18/19: Fuck all do you mind deleting your posts so you can you stop proving me wrong? Only Ramsey and Jimmy spent what Warbs do, other than that you´re allright mate. Post above tells at least that much
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Oct 28, 2020 16:28:07 GMT
Warburton should be given a bit more time to turn it around, but I do hope strong words have been said to him about our results and performances as of late from the board.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 28, 2020 16:30:18 GMT
If he turns around,he will see a door marked exit.
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