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Post by awin on Dec 7, 2020 14:44:22 GMT
I don’t honestly believe that you think black players kneeling are virtue signalling. you could easily make the same claim on KPF and Grenfell, which I’m sure you don’t. Correct mate, I don’t. The white players are the ones virtue signalling. The black ones are just as ill informed though, in my opinion. They have absolutely no idea as to the damage they are doing and how much of a negative impact it will have on all the great work done by “Kick it out”. Our club does fantastic work throughout the community in many areas, including educating young people that racism is abhorrent. Many of the players are regularly involved in that work. Quite right too. But supporting that mob? Not for me. Brighton? ‘That mob’ is a terrible description of a group that feel the inequality in our society. How is highlighting racism a negative thing? Before BLM and during the time of ‘kick it out’ racism was increasing in stadia, eg the England game against Bulgaria. it may be me, but I only support the moves to get rid of racism both in football and society. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 7, 2020 14:46:07 GMT
Right we all get it,racism is wrong and lets be honest the Jewish community get it as bad if not worse. Yes you should show vent highlight the injustice you feel. But the same thing time on time just gets lost. The impact goes and frankly people just get bit bored of it. Then Saturday happens,and cunts like jim white get a huge bone on and basically stir the shit pot to get listeners viewers for his ego. Keep the idea change the way u highlight it,be more of a impact.
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Post by awin on Dec 7, 2020 14:46:26 GMT
I should add, why does anyone take offence at an individuals choice to kneel? Or not to...? Of course that is an individuals choice. I wouldn’t boo someone for not kneeling and equally, and possibly more so would never boo someone standing up for what the believe and and kneeling. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 7, 2020 14:47:29 GMT
The last time I knelt was when I got married so look where that got me. Thought that gay civil partnership didn't allow that,only later in the bedroom |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 7, 2020 14:51:41 GMT
Of course that is an individuals choice. I wouldn’t boo someone for not kneeling and equally, and possibly more so would never boo someone standing up for what the believe and and kneeling. But if you read my earlier post Dion Dublin said it's racist to not kneel and given how Sky reacted to some of our players standing there is pressure to comply not choose - and that's not helpful whichever way you look at something. |
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Post by awin on Dec 7, 2020 14:53:08 GMT
Of course that is an individuals choice. I wouldn’t boo someone for not kneeling and equally, and possibly more so would never boo someone standing up for what the believe and and kneeling. But if you read my earlier post Dion Dublin said it's racist to not kneel and given how Sky reacted to some of our players standing there is pressure to comply not choose - and that's not helpful whichever way you look at something. But this all came about after the Millwall scum chose to boo players that had taken the knee. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 7, 2020 14:58:57 GMT
Also there's 2 views. The kneeling view and the boo view, just because they think differently who to say one cant express their view and other can. Isn't that discrimination. Just because u don't agree with something you shouldn't be allowed to silence it. Isn't that what a culture is built on,freedom,expression and debate.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 7, 2020 15:01:53 GMT
But if you read my earlier post Dion Dublin said it's racist to not kneel and given how Sky reacted to some of our players standing there is pressure to comply not choose - and that's not helpful whichever way you look at something. But this all came about after the Millwall scum chose to boo players that had taken the knee. Their booing is equally devisive as someone being condemned as racist for standing. Neither stance helps the issue. |
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Post by awin on Dec 7, 2020 15:03:25 GMT
Also there's 2 views. The kneeling view and the boo view, just because they think differently who to say one cant express their view and other can. Isn't that discrimination. Just because u don't agree with something you shouldn't be allowed to silence it. Isn't that what a culture is built on,freedom,expression and debate. In part agree. However one is much more ‘aggressive’. An individual may choose to take the knee to highlight racism in society. The other attempts to silence those that express concern about the issue by shouting (booing) over them and their genuine concerns. Maybe someone could explain the offence that they feel about players taking the knee? |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Dec 7, 2020 15:03:37 GMT
I think that when players now take a knee it would be easy to continue with a somersault and hopp for climate actions.
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Post by awin on Dec 7, 2020 15:05:27 GMT
But this all came about after the Millwall scum chose to boo players that had taken the knee. Their booing is equally devisive as someone being condemned as racist for standing. Neither stance helps the issue. Who has been condemned for standing other than a small minority of idiots? I strongly believe booing is a terribly insensitive view. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 7, 2020 15:10:02 GMT
Also there's 2 views. The kneeling view and the boo view, just because they think differently who to say one cant express their view and other can. Isn't that discrimination. Just because u don't agree with something you shouldn't be allowed to silence it. Isn't that what a culture is built on,freedom,expression and debate. In part agree. However one is much more ‘aggressive’. An individual may choose to take the knee to highlight racism in society. The other attempts to silence those that express concern about the issue by shouting (booing) over them and their genuine concerns. Maybe someone could explain the offence that they feel about players taking the knee? It's not offended ci genuinely think they bored of it and want to hurry up and get on. Like I said you get enough of something u get bored sick of it. |
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Post by awin on Dec 7, 2020 15:15:55 GMT
In part agree. However one is much more ‘aggressive’. An individual may choose to take the knee to highlight racism in society. The other attempts to silence those that express concern about the issue by shouting (booing) over them and their genuine concerns. Maybe someone could explain the offence that they feel about players taking the knee? It's not offended ci genuinely think they bored of it and want to hurry up and get on. Like I said you get enough of something u get bored sick of it. And fans are so impatient they can’t wait 30 seconds before kick off? We must be bang in trouble for minutes’ silence in the future then. Not going to fall out with anyone on here but I personally was sickened and embarrassed by Millwall fans booing. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 7, 2020 15:18:30 GMT
Tbf there was a thread on here while back about min silence in football,that also diluted as every week seemed to be one for all in sundry.
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Post by awin on Dec 7, 2020 15:24:56 GMT
Tbf there was a thread on here while back about min silence in football,that also diluted as every week seemed to be one for all in sundry. Yes but you wouldn’t boo during it out of respect. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Dec 7, 2020 15:26:21 GMT
If big Smith plays who gets our two goals to save Warburton? to think he sold smith because he was a big lump, then six months later, he goes out and signs a penalty spot. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 7, 2020 15:37:53 GMT
If big Smith plays who gets our two goals to save Warburton? to think he sold smith because he was a big lump, then six months later, he goes out and signs a penalty spot. Can see your point so far Hits, but I think Dykes will come good if they keep hitting him with decent balls. A Shearer would struggle with us at times! |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 7, 2020 15:38:38 GMT
As I get older,still a baby to bill and bean. I find I engage in said convos butin all honesty dont give a toss either way normally. I'm getting more self centered by the year and even my mum and Mrs say I'm heartless 😔
Forgot to add that I don't give a f**k what they think either.
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Post by Bill on Dec 7, 2020 15:43:59 GMT
Not this again.
Racism,Brexit,Pandemic,and Warburton.
I going to hibernate 😃
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 7, 2020 15:45:24 GMT
Still we won't have to worry about hitting first man on corners tomorrow 😊
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 7, 2020 15:46:23 GMT
Not this again. Racism,Brexit,Pandemic,and Warburton. I going to hibernate 😃 Your a vampire anyway |
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Post by BrightonR on Dec 7, 2020 15:48:23 GMT
Correct mate, I don’t. The white players are the ones virtue signalling. The black ones are just as ill informed though, in my opinion. They have absolutely no idea as to the damage they are doing and how much of a negative impact it will have on all the great work done by “Kick it out”. Our club does fantastic work throughout the community in many areas, including educating young people that racism is abhorrent. Many of the players are regularly involved in that work. Quite right too. But supporting that mob? Not for me. Brighton? ‘That mob’ is a terrible description of a group that feel the inequality in our society. How is highlighting racism a negative thing? Before BLM and during the time of ‘kick it out’ racism was increasing in stadia, eg the England game against Bulgaria. it may be me, but I only support the moves to get rid of racism both in football and society. To clarify mate, I would never use a term like that to describe people that suffer from inequality. That mob, referred to BLM. They are an utter disgrace in my opinion. Politically motivated and way more racist than the vast majority of people the are preaching at. People should really look into them a little more. And some of the things they have said. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Dec 7, 2020 15:51:23 GMT
I predict QPR will kneel before the game then roll over during it.
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Post by awin on Dec 7, 2020 16:10:05 GMT
Brighton? ‘That mob’ is a terrible description of a group that feel the inequality in our society. How is highlighting racism a negative thing? Before BLM and during the time of ‘kick it out’ racism was increasing in stadia, eg the England game against Bulgaria. it may be me, but I only support the moves to get rid of racism both in football and society. To clarify mate, I would never use a term like that to describe people that suffer from inequality. That mob, referred to BLM. They are an utter disgrace in my opinion. Politically motivated and way more racist than the vast majority of people the are preaching at. People should really look into them a little more. And some of the things they have said. Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.[2][3][4][5][6] While there are specific organizations like the Black Lives Matter Global Network that label themselves simply as "Black Lives Matter", the Black Lives Matter movement comprises a broad array of people and organizations. The slogan "Black Lives Matter" itself remains untrademarked by any group.[7] The broader movement and its related organizations typically advocate against police violence towards black people as well as for various other policy changes considered to be related to black liberation.[8] We aren’t talking about the UK chapter who MIGHT have some Marxist views in their contingent. I would say the current status quo isn’t equitable and any challenge to it will of course feel uncomfortable but isn’t necessarily wrong. I also find the excuse to boo a legitimate protest, siting concerns about ANTIFA and Marxism is spurious at best. This is a global issue that in 2020 onwards needs to be addressed. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 7, 2020 16:16:18 GMT
BLM is a political organisation. It's just registered itself as a party to stand in local elections next year. It has a very clear set of aims and ideologies on its website.
To conflate them with Grenfell, Kick It Out, KPF etc is to not understand the clear difference between them.
Politics and Sport have always been kept apart, and for good reason. To now start mixing the two sets a dangerous precedent and will only create yet more division in our society.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 7, 2020 16:17:32 GMT
Four years and we still not sorted brexit,1 year and covid taking the piss with the powers that be. Good luck sorting anything else.
Millwall by 2
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Post by BrightonR on Dec 7, 2020 16:19:24 GMT
To clarify mate, I would never use a term like that to describe people that suffer from inequality. That mob, referred to BLM. They are an utter disgrace in my opinion. Politically motivated and way more racist than the vast majority of people the are preaching at. People should really look into them a little more. And some of the things they have said. Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.[2][3][4][5][6] While there are specific organizations like the Black Lives Matter Global Network that label themselves simply as "Black Lives Matter", the Black Lives Matter movement comprises a broad array of people and organizations. The slogan "Black Lives Matter" itself remains untrademarked by any group.[7] The broader movement and its related organizations typically advocate against police violence towards black people as well as for various other policy changes considered to be related to black liberation.[8] We aren’t talking about the UK chapter who MIGHT have some Marxist views in their contingent. I would say the current status quo isn’t equitable and any challenge to it will of course feel uncomfortable but isn’t necessarily wrong. I also find the excuse to boo a legitimate protest, siting concerns about ANTIFA and Marxism is spurious at best. This is a global issue that in 2020 onwards needs to be addressed. Many issues in 2020 still need to be addressed. And I would venture to suggest that football is one of the areas least affected by racism. I’ve kicked people out of my cab for making racist comments by the way. I could do without a bunch of twats telling me what to think. It sort of suggests that without them doing it, we wouldn’t know any better. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree n this one though. |
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 7, 2020 16:31:44 GMT
the worst thing about this whole debate is that it takes the critical spotlight off the footballing shambles and paints those responsible for it in a half decent light.
Everyone busy with the gesture politics / virtue signalling debate, meanwhile we're still utter shite. Frankly.
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Post by Bill on Dec 7, 2020 16:40:30 GMT
To clarify mate, I would never use a term like that to describe people that suffer from inequality. That mob, referred to BLM. They are an utter disgrace in my opinion. Politically motivated and way more racist than the vast majority of people the are preaching at. People should really look into them a little more. And some of the things they have said. Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.[2][3][4][5][6] While there are specific organizations like the Black Lives Matter Global Network that label themselves simply as "Black Lives Matter", the Black Lives Matter movement comprises a broad array of people and organizations. The slogan "Black Lives Matter" itself remains untrademarked by any group.[7] The broader movement and its related organizations typically advocate against police violence towards black people as well as for various other policy changes considered to be related to black liberation.[8] We aren’t talking about the UK chapter who MIGHT have some Marxist views in their contingent. I would say the current status quo isn’t equitable and any challenge to it will of course feel uncomfortable but isn’t necessarily wrong. I also find the excuse to boo a legitimate protest, siting concerns about ANTIFA and Marxism is spurious at best. This is a global issue that in 2020 onwards needs to be addressed. All lives matter.There are good and bad in every part of society.There are parts of society suffering that are not black. There are blacks who commit atrocities against white and vice versa.There are white people treated badly by the police. There are white plod that are racist,there are black plod that are racist. If you think that this issue of black and white will be solved 100% dream on. Good and bad in every part of society,just that some bang the drum more than others. Stephen Lawrence how long is it,and yet same week a white got battered to death in East London by a group of asians. Still keep hearing about Stephen Lawrence but not a thing about the boy Everitt in East London. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 7, 2020 16:54:28 GMT
One of the most positive and healing aspects about sport is its unifying force. It is the grand leveler. A place where people can meet, drink, socialise and enjoy a game and their shared love for their team, whilst leaving all political / religious / class differences to one side for an afternoon or evening. Sadly it seems even this vital and intrinsic bastion of society is now under threat.
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