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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 16, 2020 9:03:21 GMT
We have all seen the sea change in the way football is being played in the professional leagues. Now, I have just read a report from the BBC on the SFA banning heading the ball for U12's due to unnaturally high incidences of degenerative neuropathy among former footballers. Perhaps clubs have been informed that this is coming and are changing the way football is played to prepare for this. Were this to happen I am sure players with a lot of technical ability and blinding pace would be at a premium. It's also not such a bad thing if it stops another Jeff Astle/ Stan Bowles scenario. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51129653 |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 16, 2020 9:38:09 GMT
Think your over thinking Esox. This has been rumbling around for years. The ball nowadays is nothing like the lace one Wycombe used to head when he managed to get a game
I still play and heading ball now is literally like bouncing beach ball off head their so light.
My lad plays, ten years old, and he’s up heading it too although at that age it’s on floor 90% of the time
For me teams try pass now as like it or not game is as much entertainment as results and they think will increase crowds
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 16, 2020 11:56:33 GMT
He's so funny isn't he? 🤭
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 16, 2020 12:38:58 GMT
Fuck me,what next,bang the Glasgow kiss
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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 16, 2020 15:07:15 GMT
Think your over thinking Esox. This has been rumbling around for years. The ball nowadays is nothing like the lace one Wycombe used to head when he managed to get a game I still play and heading ball now is literally like bouncing beach ball off head their so light. My lad plays, ten years old, and he’s up heading it too although at that age it’s on floor 90% of the time For me teams try pass now as like it or not game is as much entertainment as results and they think will increase crowds I used to play in the Summer league at Bisham Abbey and they gave us Minerva Supreme balls to use. The kept their shape for the whole of a season but they were definitely something you knew you had headed when called upon to do so. The impact force may have had a lot to do with it as balls don't weight much less than they did back then but a ten year old is going to struggle to hit it any faster than say 45 kph but adults are hitting it way in excess of that so Newtons second law of motion applies. I actually got knocked out by a old, wet leather lace up football when I was ten when one of the (adult) spectators kicked the ball back at me when it went out and it hit me full in the face. |
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Post by Corbray on Jan 16, 2020 19:50:30 GMT
i've read that the reason for this is because of the amount of old players that are suffering from dementia etc but the ball was a fuck load different back then. even when i was a kid the ball was a lot more firm and heavier than it is now where it's borderline beachball
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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 16, 2020 22:12:47 GMT
i've read that the reason for this is because of the amount of old players that are suffering from dementia etc but the ball was a fuck load different back then. even when i was a kid the ball was a lot more firm and heavier than it is now where it's borderline beachball The weight of footballs and the size of them hasn't changed since the 1870's. The materials are different so they fly differently, but it is nominally the same ball we all grew up with. Those materials, along with the development of football boots which cause the ball to perform in a manner we never got to experience and the overall strength & fitness of the modern day player will be of more consideration as the ball amasses more force as the velocity increases, thereby causing a greater shock when the ball is headed back the way it came. This obviously reduces if the ball is merely deflected from it path of flight. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Dec 8, 2020 14:35:52 GMT
Just read a group of 80 ex international and pro rugby players launched brain injury law settlement case. Inc a England 2003 world cup winner. He says he cant remember any of the games now and been diagnosed with early dementia. Makes u wonder how much of a ticking time bomb there is in rugby football boxing etc. Will sport have to change in future?
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Post by Corbray on Dec 8, 2020 15:11:54 GMT
think its as safe as it can realistically get, only way rugby can get safer is if headguards were mandatory. football was different back in the day with heavier footballs and harder tackles. the FA has already made banned u15s(?) from heading the ball in training to minimise the risk.
there was the same problem in wrestling too with harder ring matts and chairshots to the head being common until the mid 2000s. took the murder suicide of chris benoit to change it but he had the brain of an 80 year old alzheimer's patient when he was autopsied. he'd taken thousands of shots to the head over the years and his finisher involved him pretty much faceplanting the matt too plus he had dozens of concussions over his career. he's not the only wrestler to suffer from brain damage either.
i don't really know what else can realistically be done in football to help minimize the risk of long term brain damage. they already have concussion tests and games being stopped for head injuries. its a difficult one for sure
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Post by James1979 on Dec 8, 2020 16:32:17 GMT
I’m don’t watch that much rugby but some of the hits in the games are brutal. Most of the players now are built like brick shit houses. They run into you and you’re not getting up for a while.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 22, 2021 5:31:42 GMT
Terry McDermott now come out with Alzheimer’s, if I was a pro footballer, rugby player or boxer I must admit I’d be very concerned at what is round corner
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2021 6:09:06 GMT
Can see heading being phased out.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 22, 2021 6:42:16 GMT
Denis Law now too.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 22, 2021 15:22:22 GMT
Can see heading being phased out. How is that even possible? Less of a consideration now to be fair. The balls are so much lighter than the heavy leather balls back in the day. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 22, 2021 15:31:51 GMT
No one knows what damage repetition with even modern balls will do. Let’s be honest it’s not natural to bang your head even lighter. Can’t do any good in long term.
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Post by Rangers77 on Aug 22, 2021 15:40:04 GMT
Can't recall Terry being known for heading the ball.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 22, 2021 15:51:01 GMT
Can't recall Terry being known for heading the ball. Nor Stan or Denis particularly, for that matter. Correlation does not imply causation. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Aug 22, 2021 15:57:12 GMT
If you ban heading that’s got to be the end of boxing too surely and I can’t see that happening. As long as people are made aware there are risks it should be up to them imo.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 22, 2021 15:57:17 GMT
Could it be like mad cows disease,wonky meat finally catching up.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 23, 2021 6:40:24 GMT
I played school stuff just as soaking wet, laced up leather balls of concrete were coming to an end. Luckily we weren’t able to kick the bloody thing high enough to head it very often. I cut my head on the lace once and my dad banned me from heading unless it was a new style ball. Thanks dad.
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 23, 2021 8:20:21 GMT
Can see heading being phased out. No chance. The type of ball they used to play with back then was laced up and not waterproofed On a rainy day, that ball would have soaked up a lot of water and ended up weighing half a stone. Balls today are much lighter and rain has no effect on them. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 23, 2021 8:21:34 GMT
I played school stuff just as soaking wet, laced up leather balls of concrete were coming to an end. Luckily we weren’t able to kick the bloody thing high enough to head it very often. I cut my head on the lace once and my dad banned me from heading unless it was a new style ball. Thanks dad. Only just read this after I posted 👍🏻 |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 23, 2021 8:50:33 GMT
can't see heading ever being taken out from the game as it would destroy it completely imo.
i do think its sad that so many older footballers develop alzheimers and other brain diseases but its also fairly obvious as to why they develop those diseases. the balls were better suited to siege warfare rather than a football pitch and smashing your head against those tens of thousands of times could only be a bad thing.
footballs now though are far lighter and more comfortable to head than ever before and millions have been spent on developing them.
i do agree that banning heading in training for children was the right thing to do but no way should it be banned for adults.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 14:23:44 GMT
can't see heading ever being taken out from the game as it would destroy it completely imo. i do think its sad that so many older footballers develop alzheimers and other brain diseases but its also fairly obvious as to why they develop those diseases. the balls were better suited to siege warfare rather than a football pitch and smashing your head against those tens of thousands of times could only be a bad thing. footballs now though are far lighter and more comfortable to head than ever before and millions have been spent on developing them. i do agree that banning heading in training for children was the right thing to do but no way should it be banned for adults. It's sad and tragic that so many old players are suffering from illnesses related, some suggest, to the heading of old style balls - though as pointed out before, McDermott wasn't renowned for doing so - but from my understanding the new, lighter balls are unlikely to cause such issues. I've already said I'll completely stop going if they introduce VAR into the Championship and probably won't go if we get promoted until we're relegated again, but banning heading is another red line for me. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 23, 2021 15:34:50 GMT
Again, correlation is not causation. Simples. There's just no evidence for it with the lighter balls, unless someone can produce a study. So a red herring argument.
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 23, 2021 15:55:23 GMT
interesting article on the history of the ball spartacus-educational.com/Fballs.htma snippet from the article....... A large number of football players in the past have suffered long-term brain damage because of repeated heading of a heavy, wet ball. Stan Cullis, the Wolves and England centre-half was knocked unconscious during a game against Everton in the 1938-39 season. He suffered severe concussion that required intensive medical care. His doctors warned him that another serious concussion could kill him. A couple of years later a tremendous shot hit him in the face. Once again he suffered from severe concussion and was on the danger list for five days. He was warned by a doctor that because of his previous head injuries, even heading a heavy leather football could prove fatal and despite now being England's captain, Cullis decided to retire from playing football. In his later years, Cullis, like many footballers from this period, suffered from dementia. In 2002 a coroner said it was likely that the death of former West Bromwich Albion centre-forward, Jeff Astle, had been caused by "repeated small traumas to the brain". |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jul 16, 2022 20:05:44 GMT
Ex wales rugby player Ryan jones diagnosed with early onset dementia,christ 41. Got to be alot of contact sports folk bricking it.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 17, 2022 7:30:00 GMT
Chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Nasty. Hope he can recover.
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 17, 2022 8:22:31 GMT
You don't really recover from that unfortunately mate. It's degenerative and pretty difficult to do anything about from what I've read. I follow the MMA a bit and a few fighters there have had tough times with this illness at relatively young ages. Matt Hughes and Jason Miller are probably the must well known. Bloody horrible illness tbh.
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