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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 20, 2021 19:34:14 GMT
So with Field injured and Amos’ fitness still to be tested week in week out we get the option of Georginho running around instead of watching a promising young player. Seems to me we’ve loaned out the wrong one if we are overloaded with midfield players. Warbs clearly sees something in Georginho that we don't... |
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Post by acricketer on Aug 20, 2021 23:11:18 GMT
FB clearly down the pecking order
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 21, 2021 7:25:04 GMT
So with Field injured and Amos’ fitness still to be tested week in week out we get the option of Georginho running around instead of watching a promising young player. Seems to me we’ve loaned out the wrong one if we are overloaded with midfield players. Warbs clearly sees something in Georginho that we don't... Got a good mate who supports Cov who also reckons there is a very decent player in there. Not convinced myself. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 21, 2021 16:36:52 GMT
Ok, respect opinions expressed about Bettache going out but one final question - couldn’t the club have done better for the lad than Oldham? What will it do for his confidence at the bottom end of League 2?
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Post by Rangers77 on Aug 21, 2021 20:03:58 GMT
So with Field injured and Amos’ fitness still to be tested week in week out we get the option of Georginho running around instead of watching a promising young player. Seems to me we’ve loaned out the wrong one if we are overloaded with midfield players. I agree. Can't understand that. Should be in the squad and on the bench. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 22, 2021 6:51:30 GMT
With the greatest respect think club know how to handle these emerging players.
They got it right Eze sending him Wycombe, chair Stevenage and Dieng Hampton & Richmond and Dundee. All players have come back better and battle ready
Bettache has looked good in glimpses but is clearly not ready for where we want to be at this moment. Example looked great 45mins orient then was invisible second half when then put it on us
He should have gone out last season on loan then he might have been ready this season but people said he had stay and he ended up getting 74mins in a season off the bench. Is that looking after him? is another season sat on bench going make him Chair or Eze next season when we probably offload one of Chair or Willock?
Trust the club loan is what he needs then we will find out if he’s worth keeping or not
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Post by West Acton on Aug 22, 2021 6:55:33 GMT
Would add he already got more minutes in one game on loan then he did in a whole season with us last year and was there highest rated player
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Post by acricketer on Sept 17, 2021 16:18:04 GMT
Why the fook send him to Oldham? A basket case of a club. Should bring him back.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 10, 2021 15:15:56 GMT
So with Bettache averaging just 17 mins a game for Oldham so far, Kelman just 14 mins in total, are we to assume they’re crap or we’ve sent them to the wrong clubs? Masterson has at least had a few games but this is far from what I’d call getting ‘game time with big boys’.
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 10, 2021 15:47:31 GMT
So with Bettache averaging just 17 mins a game for Oldham so far, Kelman just 14 mins in total, are we to assume they’re crap or we’ve sent them to the wrong clubs? Masterson has at least had a few games but this is far from what I’d call getting ‘game time with big boys’. Where you getting those stats from mate? According to www.transfermarkt.co.uk Bettache has played 9 times and a total of 543 minutes for Oldham & Kelman has played 8 times totaling 536 minutes for Gillingham. |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 10, 2021 16:07:23 GMT
So with Bettache averaging just 17 mins a game for Oldham so far, Kelman just 14 mins in total, are we to assume they’re crap or we’ve sent them to the wrong clubs? Masterson has at least had a few games but this is far from what I’d call getting ‘game time with big boys’. Where you getting those stats from mate? According to www.transfermarkt.co.uk Bettache has played 9 times and a total of 543 minutes for Oldham & Kelman has played 8 times totaling 536 minutes for Gillingham. no idea but i feel as though its a good opportunity for westy to make a senile joke |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 10, 2021 16:32:39 GMT
Where you getting those stats from mate? According to www.transfermarkt.co.uk Bettache has played 9 times and a total of 543 minutes for Oldham & Kelman has played 8 times totaling 536 minutes for Gillingham. no idea but i feel as though its a good opportunity for westy to make a senile joke it’s no fun when your pushing at an open door |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 11, 2021 16:01:26 GMT
So with Bettache averaging just 17 mins a game for Oldham so far, Kelman just 14 mins in total, are we to assume they’re crap or we’ve sent them to the wrong clubs? Masterson has at least had a few games but this is far from what I’d call getting ‘game time with big boys’. Where you getting those stats from mate? According to www.transfermarkt.co.uk Bettache has played 9 times and a total of 543 minutes for Oldham & Kelman has played 8 times totaling 536 minutes for Gillingham. Was following them on Infogol “updated every 24 hrs” - clearly not then. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 11, 2021 21:23:08 GMT
I suspect the stats you are looking at there are their minutes for QPR prior to them both going out on loan mate. Both are playing regularly.
A more valid argument would be if these 2 are good enough for QPR, why have they only mustered an assist each and no goals so far in their loan spells. Less of a worry for Bettache given he's more of a holding midfielder but you'd expect Kelman to be doing much more in terms of goals and assists. I wonder if he'll ever recreate the form he was showing at Southend the season before we signed him.
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 12, 2021 7:47:48 GMT
I suspect the stats you are looking at there are their minutes for QPR prior to them both going out on loan mate. Both are playing regularly. A more valid argument would be if these 2 are good enough for QPR, why have they only mustered an assist each and no goals so far in their loan spells. Less of a worry for Bettache given he's more of a holding midfielder but you'd expect Kelman to be doing much more in terms of goals and assists. I wonder if he'll ever recreate the form he was showing at Southend the season before we signed him. Seems odd that we signed him and didn't keep him there for the rest of the season. I know we were low on strikers but even then, he didn't really get a look in. Trying to remember the situation back then, I think we only had 1 fit striker? Would have been better learning first team football, at a club where he feels confident and then have him back from pre season. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 12, 2021 7:50:18 GMT
I suspect the stats you are looking at there are their minutes for QPR prior to them both going out on loan mate. Both are playing regularly. No mate, current clubs, just shit info. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 12, 2021 9:02:22 GMT
Still don’t get why people wet themselves over Kelman. Still time for him come good but the excitement and demand for him to play was odd. All based on you tube video
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 12, 2021 10:32:54 GMT
Still don’t get why people wet themselves over Kelman. Still time for him come good but the excitement and demand for him to play was odd. All based on you tube video Did you see the goals he scored for Southend mate? 1 of them was from well inside his own half. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 12, 2021 11:35:40 GMT
I just find you tube videos are very easy to manipulate to show best or bad bits
I never saw goal but same time I would expect most pros to be able to hit target from half way line if keeper is out goal. Like Stuart wardley one good debut season never made him good player but based on stats his first season would suggest he was
I think kelman could be a raw player but he’s not close to being ready for this level
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 12, 2021 13:30:11 GMT
I'd be interested to know the opinions of Oldham fans about Bettache. They are far and away the worst team in the EFL so far this season so just wondering if he's been putting shifts in, not bothering or is just plain shit. He's been handy when I've seen him play for us.
Edit...having just double checked, they're the SECOND worst team in the EFL, I stand corrected.
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 12, 2021 13:48:09 GMT
Yeah I would as well. Tbf, and Kelman. Be good to know what actual game time is doing to them.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 18, 2022 19:49:09 GMT
Most of what we're discussing in the SDM thread can be said about this guy too. Both the same age (22) and play similar positions. But another player who needs to decide what he wants. Stagnate at the club or go out on loan. What we DO know is, like SDM, he has been largely ignored by our managers for whatever reason...
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 18, 2022 20:12:30 GMT
Yes really liked him when he looked like breaking thru a couple of years ago but for whatever reason seems to have gone backwards. Never even mentioned now by manager or fans alike
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Post by Shania on Aug 18, 2022 20:40:13 GMT
Ball and George Thomas are players he should have got the chance to compete with if given a real chance.
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 19, 2022 8:40:42 GMT
Saw him vs Hampton pre season. Looked creative, combative and natural on the ball.
Him and sdm were a cut above everyone else.
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Post by acricketer on Aug 26, 2022 22:40:39 GMT
Why are we even talking about a player who will never make it?
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Post by Hitman34 on Jan 20, 2023 17:52:22 GMT
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 20, 2023 17:58:59 GMT
Oh well. Couldn't get in the Oldham first XI, so not a chance is he gonna progress here. Best decision for all parties imo. Good luck to him.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 20, 2023 18:18:35 GMT
That should free up £300 a week
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Post by West Acton on Jan 20, 2023 18:39:32 GMT
Shame felt there were glimpses of something but never sustained it.
Hopefully this is sign of the future of us not waisting time and getting people off books who won’t make it.
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