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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 24, 2021 12:44:44 GMT
Let's assume we finish in a comfortable position this season thanks in no small part to Charlie, Stefan and even Sam Field given how impressive he was taking his goal. We are then in a Wells/Hugill scenario. At what point does this club decide to seek success and the prosperity of the Prem again - even as a yo-yo, which is fine by me? Do we watch our loans go off to Norwich and the like, buy a Dykes, then fanny about trying to plug gaps with loans, or do we modestly invest and speculate to accumulate? The new ground isn't going to happen is it? We're not going to suddenly get 30-35k gates so get a decent team playing at a higher level and build the club on that instead of putting the cart before the horse. But when?
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Post by awin on Feb 24, 2021 12:59:06 GMT
We have an option on Field. Charlie and Bianca are showing lots of love to the club on social media, so you never know.
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 24, 2021 13:24:40 GMT
Bournemouth managed several years in the Prem with max gates of 11,300ish. So unless we can get the stadium earning outside of 23 match days (sorry, forgot our potential home cup game), I'm not convinced by the financial argument on attendances alone.
That said, I think there are plans to increase earnings potential and think the new ground will get underway in the next 2 or 3 years, as long as we're not relegated.
My biggest worry is the risk of losing ownership of the ground to an owner who sells to a property developer. If we can't afford to own a new ground, I'd be OK with a very long lease to the council.
As for players, I think we've been doing things right in the last couple of years. It's up to us to make the club an attractive proposition. I think the way we're playing, our relative success in young player player development and the new training ground will all help.
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 24, 2021 13:28:49 GMT
Bournemouth managed several years in the Prem with max gates of 11,300ish. thats why warbs was talking shite about smaller clubs needing larger gates at prem level. he completely ignored the media rights and chute payments. recent survey showed that small prem clubs could esily survive with no crowds at all, they'd still be making far more than they would at this level with crowds in situ. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 24, 2021 13:35:31 GMT
Bournemouth managed several years in the Prem with max gates of 11,300ish. So unless we can get the stadium earning outside of 23 match days (sorry, forgot our potential home cup game), I'm not convinced by the financial argument on attendances alone. That said, I think there are plans to increase earnings potential and think the new ground will get underway in the next 2 or 3 years, as long as we're not relegated. My biggest worry is the risk of losing ownership of the ground to an owner who sells to a property developer. If we can't afford to own a new ground, I'd be OK with a very long lease to the council. As for players, I think we've been doing things right in the last couple of years. It's up to us to make the club an attractive proposition. I think the way we're playing, our relative success in young player player development and the new training ground will all help. What young player development please? The Ezes don't come along very often and none of the guys we've got out on loan are going to keep us competing at the top of the Champ. If we find another gem do we sell or, back to my point, start building? |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 24, 2021 14:15:32 GMT
Bournemouth managed several years in the Prem with max gates of 11,300ish. So unless we can get the stadium earning outside of 23 match days (sorry, forgot our potential home cup game), I'm not convinced by the financial argument on attendances alone. That said, I think there are plans to increase earnings potential and think the new ground will get underway in the next 2 or 3 years, as long as we're not relegated. My biggest worry is the risk of losing ownership of the ground to an owner who sells to a property developer. If we can't afford to own a new ground, I'd be OK with a very long lease to the council. As for players, I think we've been doing things right in the last couple of years. It's up to us to make the club an attractive proposition. I think the way we're playing, our relative success in young player player development and the new training ground will all help. What young player development please? The Ezes don't come along very often and none of the guys we've got out on loan are going to keep us competing at the top of the Champ. If we find another gem do we sell or, back to my point, start building? eze, bos, chair, lumley, dieng, furlong and manning in recent years have either come through our academy or have been signed at a very young age. obviously bos and manning went for far less than they're worth due to their contracts and lumley has taken a dip but dieng and chair could easily for for a combined 10m+. thats among others too as the likes of kakay, ball and dickie could earn us cash/improved since coming here. we also have some promising youngsters like kelman, joe walsh, sinclair armstrong and conor masterson among others. there's defo been a huge improvement on our youth development and our scouting of young players, credit where its due but it'll create a steady cash flow in the long run. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 24, 2021 14:20:05 GMT
Do we watch our loans go off to Norwich and the like, buy a Dykes, then fanny about trying to plug gaps with loans, or do we modestly invest and speculate to accumulate? The latter would obviously be the more sensible and prudent approach, otherwise you're just treading water year after year. The problem isn't that the owners can't afford to spend, it's the club that's restricted due to P&S / FFP rules. That's the reality and the frustration. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 24, 2021 14:28:17 GMT
Leave aside Sterling and we've produced ONE top player who could have taken us to a higher level teamwise or significantly benefit us financially(and we sold him). From Furlong (sad to see him go) downwards, all the homegrowns are going to keep us where we are and the thrust of my question was when do we look to keep an Eze, or sign an Austin, and push on?
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 24, 2021 14:32:19 GMT
when do we look to keep an Eze, or sign an Austin, and push on? When the rules allow us to do so, as I say above? The will and commitment from the board is there apparently. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 24, 2021 14:41:14 GMT
What young player development please? The Ezes don't come along very often and none of the guys we've got out on loan are going to keep us competing at the top of the Champ. If we find another gem do we sell or, back to my point, start building? eze, bos, chair, lumley, dieng, furlong and manning in recent years have either come through our academy or have been signed at a very young age. obviously bos and manning went for far less than they're worth due to their contracts and lumley has taken a dip but dieng and chair could easily for for a combined 10m+. thats among others too as the likes of kakay, ball and dickie could earn us cash/improved since coming here. we also have some promising youngsters like kelman, joe walsh, sinclair armstrong and conor masterson among others. there's defo been a huge improvement on our youth development and our scouting of young players, credit where its due but it'll create a steady cash flow in the long run. So do we want 10m or Dieng and Chair to help us compete? If it's 10m and they are only marking time until the property deal comes along that's not a great sell to us fans is it? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 24, 2021 15:48:40 GMT
Everyone has shit crowds in the prem for a year😊
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Post by West Acton on Feb 24, 2021 16:58:48 GMT
Why do people keep rattling on about a property deal?? What property deal??? Again pure speculation from years back which with time people start believing as fact
Easier ways to get your foot in properly market then buy a football club. Donate to the Tory party Would be first port of call 🤣 and cheaper 😁
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 24, 2021 17:05:09 GMT
Interesting thing is that going up and coming straight down again is massively profitable even if your prem gate is two men and a dog.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 24, 2021 17:06:54 GMT
Interesting thing is that going up and coming straight down again is massively profitable even if your prem gate is two men and a dog. Jealous,we only get one man and a squirrel |
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 24, 2021 17:12:55 GMT
What young player development please? The Ezes don't come along very often and none of the guys we've got out on loan are going to keep us competing at the top of the Champ. If we find another gem do we sell or, back to my point, start building? I said that our success in youth development was 'relative' - ie, compared to what's gone on in recent years. As far as I can recall, not sure we've brought on anyone of particular note since and Ray Jones. OK, a couple of very young lads sold for half decent money, but have hardly set the world alight - with the exception of course Raheem Sterling. As Corbray said, there has been a decent through-put of young talent, whether or not strictly 'home-grown'. Chris Ramsay and his team have done a brilliant job with the development squad (still embarrassed how badly he was treated by 'fans' after his stint in 1st team management...) and that can only help attract young talent to Loftus Road in the future. I think the way things are now, yes, our best players will continue to be sold, so the the pressure is on to: A: make progress as a team while they're with us B: ensure we have a steady stream of young talent coming through the door For a club like us, it seems to be the right way (and perhaps the only sustainable way) to do things - if only we can secure decent contracts protecting the club's interests so that a situation like Osayi-Samuel walking for peanuts doesn't arise again. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 24, 2021 18:00:35 GMT
Why do people keep rattling on about a property deal?? What property deal??? Again pure speculation from years back which with time people start believing as fact Easier ways to get your foot in properly market then buy a football club. Donate to the Tory party Would be first port of call 🤣 and cheaper 😁 Because there is no money in building a stadium without some sort of mixed development to make sense of it. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 24, 2021 18:08:34 GMT
Why do people keep rattling on about a property deal?? Because historically, some owners have been known to sell club grounds to recoup their own personal losses. Personally, I think it unlikely to happen with the current owners, but who knows who'll be in charge in 3, 5 or 10 years' time... |
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