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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 1, 2021 15:18:06 GMT
This argument is absurd though - if we all CHOSE not to we’d be fucked.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 1, 2021 15:45:26 GMT
Just had my 2nd jab. I respect everyone's right to choose not to get the jab. But the number of people who have cunted me off for getting jabbed staggers me. Really really does.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 1, 2021 15:49:46 GMT
Just had my 2nd jab. I respect everyone's right to choose not to get the jab. But the number of people who have cunted me off for getting jabbed staggers me. Really really does. by way of a bit of balance Ginge I haven’t come across anyone family or friends young or old who has chosen not to so I don’t reckon your experience is typical |
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Post by 2Loftus on Aug 1, 2021 16:59:53 GMT
I've had 2 jabs.
Really don't understand the argument against.
I'm protecting my family, my friends and my community.
To my mind, those who haven't been jabbed put all those people at risk.
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2021 17:51:59 GMT
Think the argument is
If you want the jab - great
If you dont want the jab - great
If you have an opinion on either keep it
To farking self as its a personal choice
Mind your own business
Freedom of choice with no prejudice
Im happy for anyone to make their own
Decision its non of my business.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 1, 2021 18:07:18 GMT
Think the argument is If you want the jab - great If you dont want the jab - great If you have an opinion on either keep it To farking self as its a personal choice Mind your own business Freedom of choice with no prejudice Im happy for anyone to make their own Decision its non of my business. Well said Gens. As said, some people may have legitimate medical grounds for not getting the jab, therefore to be castigated for that is bang out of order. |
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Post by The General on Aug 1, 2021 18:15:30 GMT
Due to having severe covid 19 last year
I am unable to have the jab as i still have
Breathing issues
Im happy for other people to have it though and do not have any opinion on there choice as its theres
It a personal choice not Boris s do what you feel is right
For you
Apparantly the over 50s now have to have a third jab
Wtf is going on
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 1, 2021 18:26:44 GMT
Just had my 2nd jab. I respect everyone's right to choose not to get the jab. But the number of people who have cunted me off for getting jabbed staggers me. Really really does. by way of a bit of balance Ginge I haven’t come across anyone family or friends young or old who has chosen not to so I don’t reckon your experience is typical No I don't think it is either, the vast majority of people I know have had theirs too and even more are for it. I'm just surprised by the number of people who've been so against it that they resort to insults. The same people also demand that people respect their own choice not to. It begs belief really. But it is a minority, thankfully. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 1, 2021 18:27:39 GMT
Think the argument is If you want the jab - great If you dont want the jab - great If you have an opinion on either keep it To farking self as its a personal choice Mind your own business Freedom of choice with no prejudice Im happy for anyone to make their own Decision its non of my business. Completely agree with you Gen 👍👍 |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Aug 1, 2021 18:41:05 GMT
Covid seems a particularly divisive subject. Have you seem that thread on lfw?
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Post by Corbray on Aug 1, 2021 18:43:09 GMT
Think the argument is If you want the jab - great If you dont want the jab - great If you have an opinion on either keep it To farking self as its a personal choice Mind your own business Freedom of choice with no prejudice Im happy for anyone to make their own Decision its non of my business. Well said Gens. As said, some people may have legitimate medical grounds for not getting the jab, therefore to be castigated for that is bang out of order. no one would call someone out for not getting the jab due to medical reasons though. the whole freedom bollox is like making the argument that it should be legal to drive and text at the same time because you're a good driver and fuck everyone else |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 1, 2021 18:56:59 GMT
no one would call someone out for not getting the jab due to medical reasons though. If you believe that then you would be surprised how quick some people are to judge others before knowing their circumstances. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 1, 2021 19:10:51 GMT
Just had my 2nd jab. I respect everyone's right to choose not to get the jab. But the number of people who have cunted me off for getting jabbed staggers me. Really really does. Bang out of order ginge It is your choice, hope you told them to go fuck themselves. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 1, 2021 19:14:21 GMT
Covid seems a particularly divisive subject. Have you seem that thread on lfw? It really is mate, like brexit, it has cut right through society. I’m just going to stick to QPR and football on here from now on. Fuck politics and fuck viruses. #upthefootballleaguewego |
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Post by 72bus on Aug 1, 2021 19:17:01 GMT
Been with a mate today that has good argument not to get it , I'm double jabbed as i kind of went with the flow and trust in the powers that be. But I've had huge periods of fatigue since I've had the jabs. Discussed this with friends that agree they've been tired as well.Only time will tell as to whether or not we should of had the V ... Only know I'm fed up with the 20 WhatsApp conspiracy theories videos I get everyday
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Post by Corbray on Aug 1, 2021 19:23:15 GMT
Been with a mate today that has good argument not to get it , I'm double jabbed as i kind of went with the flow and trust in the powers that be. But I've had huge periods of fatigue since I've had the jabs. Discussed this with friends that agree they've been tired as well.Only time will tell as to whether or not we should of had the V ... Only know I'm fed up with the 20 WhatsApp conspiracy theories videos I get everyday who knows mate, i do believe the vaccine was rushed through given that the standard testing for vaccines is something like 8-10 years but obviously the circumstances for covid's vaccine was extreme so it had to be rushed out. my dad said the same thing but he's also a bit of a drama queen lol, he's been fine with his second jab. there could be a whole host of reasons as to why you're feeling fatigued and it's more likely to be something mundane like it being the summer and you getting older etc, maybe you put on weight during the lockdown as i certainly did lol. not ruling out the vaccine or defending it in this case by any means but there could be a range of reasons you feel fatigued, including the vaccine, if you get me |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Aug 1, 2021 20:42:19 GMT
Just had my 2nd jab. I respect everyone's right to choose not to get the jab. But the number of people who have cunted me off for getting jabbed staggers me. Really really does. Bang out of order ginge It is your choice, hope you told them to go fuck themselves. Dont you worry hits, the people that told me that were soundly told if they didn't like it they could shove their opinion. Not that politely though. |
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 2, 2021 7:26:48 GMT
Been with a mate today that has good argument not to get it , I'm double jabbed as i kind of went with the flow and trust in the powers that be. But I've had huge periods of fatigue since I've had the jabs. Discussed this with friends that agree they've been tired as well.Only time will tell as to whether or not we should of had the V ... Only know I'm fed up with the 20 WhatsApp conspiracy theories videos I get everyday who knows mate, i do believe the vaccine was rushed through given that the standard testing for vaccines is something like 8-10 years but obviously the circumstances for covid's vaccine was extreme so it had to be rushed out. my dad said the same thing but he's also a bit of a drama queen lol, he's been fine with his second jab. there could be a whole host of reasons as to why you're feeling fatigued and it's more likely to be something mundane like it being the summer and you getting older etc, maybe you put on weight during the lockdown as i certainly did lol. not ruling out the vaccine or defending it in this case by any means but there could be a range of reasons you feel fatigued, including the vaccine, if you get me The 'it's rushed' argument baffles me. Never before in modern history has something had literally unlimited funds thrown at it with all of the best scientists in the world working on the same thing. It's gone through all of the same tests and red tape as any other vaccine. The flu jab gets changed every year as well, that doesn't take 8-10 years to be tested. People can obviously make their own decisions but most people that don't want it (from my experience) are doing so to make a stand against getting it, for no real reason. My brother is one, he isn't getting it as he doesn't think he needs it. Hes not overweight and has no underlying health issues so he doesn't get why he should have it. I have said to him that you don't know that you don't have a health issue, or what if one develops? And his logic of the above argument of it being rushed makes no sense; he will happy do a bit of gear and wack that in his system which is cut with all sorts, than something that's been proven to be safe, it works and is going to allow the world to open up again. |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 2, 2021 8:09:10 GMT
who knows mate, i do believe the vaccine was rushed through given that the standard testing for vaccines is something like 8-10 years but obviously the circumstances for covid's vaccine was extreme so it had to be rushed out. my dad said the same thing but he's also a bit of a drama queen lol, he's been fine with his second jab. there could be a whole host of reasons as to why you're feeling fatigued and it's more likely to be something mundane like it being the summer and you getting older etc, maybe you put on weight during the lockdown as i certainly did lol. not ruling out the vaccine or defending it in this case by any means but there could be a range of reasons you feel fatigued, including the vaccine, if you get me The 'it's rushed' argument baffles me. Never before in modern history has something had literally unlimited funds thrown at it with all of the best scientists in the world working on the same thing. It's gone through all of the same tests and red tape as any other vaccine. The flu jab gets changed every year as well, that doesn't take 8-10 years to be tested. People can obviously make their own decisions but most people that don't want it (from my experience) are doing so to make a stand against getting it, for no real reason. My brother is one, he isn't getting it as he doesn't think he needs it. Hes not overweight and has no underlying health issues so he doesn't get why he should have it. I have said to him that you don't know that you don't have a health issue, or what if one develops? And his logic of the above argument of it being rushed makes no sense; he will happy do a bit of gear and wack that in his system which is cut with all sorts, than something that's been proven to be safe, it works and is going to allow the world to open up again. well the flu vaccine undergoes minor changes each year, think of a game when it gets patches to to fix bugs etc. i'm very much pro vaccine and have had my first jab. i know every vaccine has side effects including death but i don't believe that the side effects of the covid jab are any worse than normal. people have no doubt died from the covid jab but not on the grand scale that some people say. initially i did think it was a tad rushed but its been close to a year since the rollout started and there hasn't been anything extreme yet. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 2, 2021 8:38:56 GMT
Good post Sponge and I said exact same thing to Wycombe in pub Saturday. Most people I know not taking it are smoking 20 a day boozing and on the bugle. Makes no sense that their argument is it’s not tested long enough when these same people ignore all health advice on the three areas mentioned for recreational purposes
But as said by few above each to their own take it or don’t your call
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 2, 2021 9:10:19 GMT
who knows mate, i do believe the vaccine was rushed through given that the standard testing for vaccines is something like 8-10 years but obviously the circumstances for covid's vaccine was extreme so it had to be rushed out. my dad said the same thing but he's also a bit of a drama queen lol, he's been fine with his second jab. there could be a whole host of reasons as to why you're feeling fatigued and it's more likely to be something mundane like it being the summer and you getting older etc, maybe you put on weight during the lockdown as i certainly did lol. not ruling out the vaccine or defending it in this case by any means but there could be a range of reasons you feel fatigued, including the vaccine, if you get me The 'it's rushed' argument baffles me. Never before in modern history has something had literally unlimited funds thrown at it with all of the best scientists in the world working on the same thing. It's gone through all of the same tests and red tape as any other vaccine. The flu jab gets changed every year as well, that doesn't take 8-10 years to be tested. People can obviously make their own decisions but most people that don't want it (from my experience) are doing so to make a stand against getting it, for no real reason. My brother is one, he isn't getting it as he doesn't think he needs it. Hes not overweight and has no underlying health issues so he doesn't get why he should have it. I have said to him that you don't know that you don't have a health issue, or what if one develops? And his logic of the above argument of it being rushed makes no sense; he will happy do a bit of gear and wack that in his system which is cut with all sorts, than something that's been proven to be safe, it works and is going to allow the world to open up again. I was actually about to post similar mate. I sat with someone who works in Life Sciences a few weeks back and she told me that this notion that some corners were cut to get the vaccine rolled out quickly isn't really true. The reason vaccines normally take years is because they do things in sequence, and normally in a fairly cost effective fashion. What they've done with the Covid vaccine is throw unlimited funds at it and do all the stages in parallel. It's also important to understand that the building blocks for this vaccine were already there, due to work that had been going on for vaccines for SARS/MERS, which are similar illnesses. The one bit I do question is on the approvals side. Similar mRNA and RNA vaccines as the Pfizer jab have always struggled to gain approval to be used in the past. The way I look at it is the vaccine isn't without a small element of risk. But that could be said about any vaccine (or pretty much anything in life to be honest), but it's the lesser of 2 evils. If we all rejected the vaccine and just let Covid follow it's natural course, we are going to lose many people. Despite what Hits and others in the anti-vaxer camp may say, the data tells us that it would take out a significantly higher percentage of the global population than seasonal flu, or any other virus we've seen in our lifetimes. It's also worth considering that there are millions of people in the world today that didn't die from Covid, but are suffering from very serious after effects of their illness. I'll also add that the argument that it's personal choice whether people take the jab or not is flawed. You need the majority of a population to have immunity to stop a virus from spreading. if even 1 in 3 people didn't fancy the jab, it would seriously compromise the effectiveness of the vaccination program. The US are seeing exactly that problem at the moment. In my opinion, we should really be doing the decent thing and having the vaccine if we are in good health and have no medical reason to avoid it. I understand that we all have freedom of choice about what gets put in our bodies, but surely this is a scenario where we should be looking at the greater good? |
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 2, 2021 9:29:07 GMT
Yeah I think it's something like 1 in a million will have a reaction (serious) to the vaccine but 1 in 50,000 of having problems from covid. Along those lines anyway.
Each to their own I just hope people are making the decision based on some sort of facts rather than because they read something posted by someone ranting on facebook.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 2, 2021 9:38:03 GMT
Is it genuinely as little as 1 in 50,000 people having long term effects of Covid mate? Doesn't sound right to me. I've met a number of people now having ongoing effects.
A common complaint in relatively young, healthy people is a significant deterioration of cardiovascular fitness after having had Covid. I feel this myself. I have another mate who used to run long distance who says the same.
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 2, 2021 9:43:56 GMT
Is it genuinely as little as 1 in 50,000 people having long term effects of Covid mate? Doesn't sound right to me. I've met a number of people now having ongoing effects. A common complaint in relatively young, healthy people is a significant deterioration of cardiovascular fitness after having had Covid. I feel this myself. I have another mate who used to run long distance who says the same. I can't remember where I read it to fact check my own input ... so maybe just ignore it  |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 2, 2021 9:52:20 GMT
May well be the numbers being chucked about mate. To be honest, I doubt there are accurate records. I tried to get some follow up treatment after I had Covid. The GP found some odd stuff in my bloodwork but they didn't have a solution and it wasn't life threatening, so it never really went anywhere.
Given I'm in Surrey where healthcare is pretty good, I very much doubt people in other parts of the country are getting much attention for "Long Covid" or other ongoing issues.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 2, 2021 9:55:26 GMT
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2021 10:59:12 GMT
the argument that it's personal choice whether people take the jab or not is flawed. You need the majority of a population to have immunity to stop a virus from spreading. It is flawed in that it would result in a higher amount of overall deaths, but you would still achieve herd immunity in the long run. Those choosing to not take the vaccine (other than on medical grounds) need to be aware of this larger overall negative impact and then let their conscience rest easy with it, or not. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Aug 2, 2021 17:58:09 GMT
Think the argument is If you want the jab - great If you dont want the jab - great If you have an opinion on either keep it To farking self as its a personal choice Mind your own business Freedom of choice with no prejudice Im happy for anyone to make their own Decision its non of my business. General, odd to suggest I keep my opinions to myself, when this is a 'free-speaking' message board, all about exchanging views. It would be bloody boring if we all agreed on everything. What is it that makes your view right and valid and mine not worth the paper (or pixels) it's written on? Of course, freedom of choice is everyone's right. But perhaps a duty to protect family, friends and community might reasonably be expected to influence that choice. Of course I'm very sorry to hear you've had Covid and continue to live with ongoing breathing difficulties caused by Long Covid. It's fucking awful - I have friends who suffer in the same way, two of whom weren't expected to live past their initial admission to hospital. They caught Covid before the vaccine was readily available. Vaccines only really work if the vast majority of the population get vaccinated. Vaccination eradicated one of the world's deadliest diseases, Smallpox. The MMR jab has nearly done the same for Mumps, Measles and Rubella. Except that a significant number of parents 25 years ago decided that, as the diseases were almost extinct, they wouldn't get their kids jabbed. And now there is a major upsurge in MMR infections. These diseases can be really nasty, can leave sufferers infertile and can be fatal. I have no idea if these people were simply 'freeloading' on the majority of the population's choice to vaccinate their kids in the hope of getting away with it, or were simply ill-informed, or mis-informed. Of course, individuals have the right to cut off their nose to spite their face, but please let me air my view that actually, noses are pretty handy things to have... and in the same way, vaccination is in general terms 'a good thing'. General, I hope you're on the mend soon. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2021 22:20:25 GMT
General, odd to suggest I keep my opinions to myself, when this is a 'free-speaking' message board, all about exchanging views. Loftus, he didn't quote you, so I don't think he was suggesting that. My reading of his post was he was speaking in general terms, not to you or anyone on this board specifically. For me the general take away from his post (albeit using quite strident language), is that an individual's freedom of choice should be respected and not condemned, whatever that choice may be, on either side of the argument. |
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Post by Vespa on Aug 2, 2021 23:12:20 GMT
As this now has fuck all to do with QPR
Can i just say
I`m bang up for spanking Millwall on saturday !
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