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Post by Bill on Jan 21, 2022 14:59:27 GMT
I would agree with that but then if he can't keep his place at Cambridge who are near the bottom of league 1 is he really good enough for a team pushing for promotion to the prem? Sometimes players are above the level they are at,and play better with better players around them. Its a team game 😃 |
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Post by Bill on Jan 21, 2022 15:00:25 GMT
Derby will not sell Tom Lawrence to QPR of all clubs. lol. Dont think they are in the position to choose. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 21, 2022 15:04:14 GMT
Not always a starter and we have gray, Austin and theoretically Armstrong. I doubt we’ll see Armstrong. We’ll send our youngster out on loan then bring someone else’s youngster in. If you dont give him a chance how can you possubly know where he is at. Sub from bench,we never seem to do this,he maybe a star,he maybe shit give him a chance. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 21, 2022 15:23:13 GMT
Bill is that u in your avatar? Was u a double glazing salesman lol
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Post by spongeparr on Jan 21, 2022 15:26:22 GMT
Back to the ‘are they actually any good?’ argument. Do players raise their game if they play with better players and against better opposition? Can they sometimes be too good for the loan level they are playing at where their talents are not fully used or the players they are playing with can't bring the best out of them? Does a loan sometimes take confidence away?
There is that argument of playing with better players who have a better understanding of the game will enhance your game. Not sure how good a (extreme example before anyone thinks ive gone mad) Gerrard would look in League 2 with a team that doesn't use the midfielders for example. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 21, 2022 16:41:23 GMT
Derby will not sell Tom Lawrence to QPR of all clubs. lol. Dont think they are in the position to choose. Bournemouth are also after him think, but I hope he will chose us. |
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Post by Buffalo on Jan 21, 2022 16:54:42 GMT
Do players raise their game if they play with better players and against better opposition? Can they sometimes be too good for the loan level they are playing at where their talents are not fully used or the players they are playing with can't bring the best out of them? Does a loan sometimes take confidence away?
There is that argument of playing with better players who have a better understanding of the game will enhance your game. Not sure how good a (extreme example before anyone thinks ive gone mad) Gerrard would look in League 2 with a team that doesn't use the midfielders for example. It's a valid argument. Who here thought that Danny Simpson would be a Premier League winner when he played for us? |
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Post by Hitman34 on Jan 21, 2022 17:13:58 GMT
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 21, 2022 17:31:07 GMT
Dont think they are in the position to choose. Bournemouth are also after him think, but I hope he will chose us. Stand to be corrected but think it is the administrator, not Derby as a club who make the decision, so assume it is purely a financial decision. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 21, 2022 17:35:52 GMT
Yep,as long as the administration firm think a price is correct,they can and will sell any asset
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 22, 2022 0:10:51 GMT
If we are serious about staying in top six we need Masterson here. He looked decent when he first played, a bit naive but he’s young and he’s better than no cover at all. Do players raise their game if they play with better players and against better opposition? Can they sometimes be too good for the loan level they are playing at where their talents are not fully used or the players they are playing with can't bring the best out of them? Does a loan sometimes take confidence away? Dani Parejo looked distinctly average for us before going on to bigger and better thing with Real Madrid. Stephan M'bia won European silverware after he left us, a player who again looked so-so for us. Danny Simpson another eg as Buffalo says. Masterson, SDM and Bettache when they HAVE appeared for us have indeed looked very promising, so I'm with Alan, Bill and Cricks on this one. But Al's mate does have a good point too and is something I've always argued - we don't see what Warbs sees day in day out on the training ground. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 22, 2022 6:26:10 GMT
I personally don't see Bettache making it at this level. He's League 1 at best I think. The likes of Duke McKenna and Sinclair, who knows? Haven't seen enough of them.
For Sinclair, I think the Manager made it clear that talk of interest from big clubs was his agent trying to bargain for a new contract (Remember when Pawel wanted a new contract, a story popped up in the paper about Chelsea being after him?).
Masterson is definitely good enough for this level in my opinion. I don't know why the Manager doesn't fancy him.
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Post by Bill on Jan 22, 2022 10:05:27 GMT
Bournemouth are also after him think, but I hope he will chose us. Stand to be corrected but think it is the administrator, not Derby as a club who make the decision, so assume it is purely a financial decision. Ok administrators but in effect they are still Derby |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jan 22, 2022 10:32:17 GMT
He would be a great signing. As for the good enough old enough line, maybe they aren't good enough yet? Though, I would love to see dukemckenna and Armstrong play. I think Bettache would actually do a job for us with the way we play, but with Field, Amos, Johannsen, Ball and Dozzell CM is well stocked. Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make. My mate says trust MW because he sees them in training - ok, so Kelman, Bettache and Shodipo aren’t good enough, S D-M likewise, and he even forgot Masterson altogether when saying we only have 3 CBs. Presumably he’s written De Wijs off for the time being as it’s actually 5. So no one coming through then? If Armstrong is as good as he’s cracked up to be at least keep one youngster involved here. Play him before deciding to send him out. He might slot in straight away, how will we know? If they are not good enough in training, how would they suddenly be good at games? |
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Post by hal9thou on Jan 22, 2022 11:31:29 GMT
Masterson is definitely good enough for this level in my opinion. I don't know why the Manager doesn't fancy him. Agree. CBs take a little time and no one should judge Masterson on his performances here when we were an utter shambles at the back, courtesy of the manager (who now doesn't rate him). Irony, huh? |
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Post by acricketer on Jan 22, 2022 11:53:14 GMT
Apparently waiting for him to decide if he wants to come. Tessa Sanderson's nephew. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 22, 2022 11:54:17 GMT
Apparently waiting for him to decide if he wants to come. Tessa Sanderson's nephew. Have to watch his weight when older😋 |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 22, 2022 11:55:59 GMT
God I remember that spear chucker - she was indeed a big girl...
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 22, 2022 12:13:06 GMT
Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make. My mate says trust MW because he sees them in training - ok, so Kelman, Bettache and Shodipo aren’t good enough, S D-M likewise, and he even forgot Masterson altogether when saying we only have 3 CBs. Presumably he’s written De Wijs off for the time being as it’s actually 5. So no one coming through then? If Armstrong is as good as he’s cracked up to be at least keep one youngster involved here. Play him before deciding to send him out. He might slot in straight away, how will we know? If they are not good enough in training, how would they suddenly be good at games? Adel Taarabt…😁 |
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Post by Bill on Jan 22, 2022 12:34:37 GMT
Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make. My mate says trust MW because he sees them in training - ok, so Kelman, Bettache and Shodipo aren’t good enough, S D-M likewise, and he even forgot Masterson altogether when saying we only have 3 CBs. Presumably he’s written De Wijs off for the time being as it’s actually 5. So no one coming through then? If Armstrong is as good as he’s cracked up to be at least keep one youngster involved here. Play him before deciding to send him out. He might slot in straight away, how will we know? If they are not good enough in training, how would they suddenly be good at games? Read the thread Timmy |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jan 22, 2022 13:08:23 GMT
If they are not good enough in training, how would they suddenly be good at games? Adel Taarabt…😁 😂 That's true. Great personalities are not always that motivated to train. |
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Post by Corbray on Jan 22, 2022 13:11:02 GMT
Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make. My mate says trust MW because he sees them in training - ok, so Kelman, Bettache and Shodipo aren’t good enough, S D-M likewise, and he even forgot Masterson altogether when saying we only have 3 CBs. Presumably he’s written De Wijs off for the time being as it’s actually 5. So no one coming through then? If Armstrong is as good as he’s cracked up to be at least keep one youngster involved here. Play him before deciding to send him out. He might slot in straight away, how will we know? If they are not good enough in training, how would they suddenly be good at games? well tbh some footballer's have a reputation for being awful trainers. ben foster's youtube channel has some great insight to how some players chose to train. ronaldo for example is a fanatic when it came to training, tevez always moaned and put in minimal effort and van der sar would do about 20 minutes and go back inside lol. but i get your point. young players especially have to show what they've got and if someone like SDM isn't up to par in training then you'd expect he's not good enough for regular 1st team football against seasoned pro's. i've always been a fan of loans as it can do a world of good for a player being taken out of their comfort zone and familar surroundings to polish up their game at a lower level against players who aren't as good as their parent clubs. they can make their mistakes in lower leagues were the magnifying glass isn't on them so to speak and learn from it. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 22, 2022 14:18:32 GMT
Dion Sanderson has got a proper barnet !
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 22, 2022 18:06:08 GMT
Another win will certainly make us an easier sell to potential recruits
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Post by Shania on Jan 23, 2022 21:48:18 GMT
Dion Sanderson can also play as a RWB I`ve read. I really hope he will by into Warburton`s project. Good player.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 25, 2022 19:30:57 GMT
Dion Sanderson can also play as a RWB I`ve read. I really hope he will by into Warburton`s project. Good player. Can he also play as a striker?😁 |
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Post by acricketer on Jan 25, 2022 22:18:42 GMT
There's still hope we lose Dykes.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 25, 2022 22:29:22 GMT
If the administrators were watching Sky, I bet their asking price for Lawrence just went north by half a million quid or so
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 25, 2022 22:29:49 GMT
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 26, 2022 6:36:05 GMT
He'll go to Bournemouth. I think he'll have to take a sizeable wage cut to come to us and I don't think he'll be willing to do that.
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