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Post by sparks on Apr 4, 2022 9:40:13 GMT
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 4, 2022 10:07:17 GMT
Very unhelpful speculation. But the past two months have been an absolute shit show. Since Reading at home.
P12 W2 D2 L8 F10 A21
One of those wins was by the skin of our teeth. This is woeful, relegation form, unbecoming a team pushing for promotion. We have to be told what explains this. Us not "taking care of the football/ winning our duels etc etc" won't wash.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 4, 2022 10:23:42 GMT
Very unhelpful speculation. But the past two months have been an absolute shit show. Since Reading at home. P12 W2 D2 L8 F10 A21 One of those wins was by the skin of our teeth. This is woeful, relegation form, unbecoming a team pushing for promotion. We have to be told what explains this. Us not "taking care of the football/ winning our duels etc etc" won't wash. Most likely it'll be blamed on the injuries to Dieng and Willock next. |
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 4, 2022 10:55:50 GMT
OK. The reason he has to go is because he can not adapt tactically. He tries, but fucks it up. He's done this throughout his career. If you play a Warbs team you know the script already. These days you have to be flexible.
I can't see next season coming along and suddenly he's changed his whole approach, old dogs new tricks etc.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 4, 2022 11:30:00 GMT
He has to go because he been here longer than 6 months
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 4, 2022 11:46:11 GMT
Very unhelpful speculation. But the past two months have been an absolute shit show. Since Reading at home. P12 W2 D2 L8 F10 A21 One of those wins was by the skin of our teeth. This is woeful, relegation form, unbecoming a team pushing for promotion. We have to be told what explains this. Us not "taking care of the football/ winning our duels etc etc" won't wash. I was about to post similar. If he finds the speculation "unhelpful", perhaps it would be helpful if him and the team could remember how to win a game of football! |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 4, 2022 11:55:20 GMT
OK. The reason he has to go is because he can not adapt tactically. He tries, but fucks it up. He's done this throughout his career. If you play a Warbs team you know the script already. These days you have to be flexible. I can't see next season coming along and suddenly he's changed his whole approach, old dogs new tricks etc. Exactly the point I've been trying to make Hal. It's like groundhog day with this guy. Always the same issue. Trying to play way too expansive a style of play for the players he has at his disposal, and a lack of plan B when it doesn't work. Interestingly, the period when he was most effective as Manager (i.e. 2nd half of last season), we appeared to ditch that style of play somewhat and play a bit more direct. This season he has reverted to type, we've eventually got found out, and he has no answer to it. Saturday was just classic for me. Trying to pass the ball about, wasn't working, 9 times out of 10 it ends up going backwards. No plan B, and eventually Fulham score a 2nd and put the game to bed. We should have switched things up when the game plan wasn't working. There is no future for a manager that doesn't understand this simple concept. |
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Post by Vespa on Apr 4, 2022 12:18:59 GMT
i`ll tell you who is a good fit , Warburton is . We have had such bad luck with injuries , just imagine how the season would have turned out with a fit squad , all this really shows is we lack strength in depth . Unless we lose every match till the end of the season , i`d still give him another year with money to spend ( what limited money we have ) next season Another year with money to spend worries me. This is the man who put up with Dykes going 29 games was it without scoring and took us to within touching distance of the relegation fight before the club stepped in. He was lucky not to go then and now we’re back in relegation form again. I can’t see that we’ll have a better squad next year because we have to sell, so he’s not going to take us further, but I could see us being in trouble again by Christmas. This was his big chance and he/we/they blew it. Time to go. Watch what you wish for mate , remember the boring , drossball we played before MW ? He has transformed our style of play ,i wouldn`t want to go back to that again . You can only work with what youve got ,and he has had us punching above our weight , he`s a victim of his own success in my opinion . I still say give him another year , but its all opinions mate |
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Post by Bill on Apr 4, 2022 14:30:27 GMT
Another year with money to spend worries me. This is the man who put up with Dykes going 29 games was it without scoring and took us to within touching distance of the relegation fight before the club stepped in. He was lucky not to go then and now we’re back in relegation form again. I can’t see that we’ll have a better squad next year because we have to sell, so he’s not going to take us further, but I could see us being in trouble again by Christmas. This was his big chance and he/we/they blew it. Time to go. Watch what you wish for mate , remember the boring , drossball we played before MW ? He has transformed our style of play ,i wouldn`t want to go back to that again . You can only work with what youve got ,and he has had us punching above our weight , he`s a victim of his own success in my opinion . I still say give him another year , but its all opinions mate See what your saying but all sorts of excuses have been banded about. Bottom line is we have lost 14 games if we had drawn 7 of them we would be in quite a healthy position,right in the mix. Sadly some poor team selections,substitutions and overal lack of tactical awareness have all but put paid to our chances. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 4, 2022 14:34:14 GMT
Bottom bottom line is we’ve blown it against the basement clubs. That’s why the ‘playing above ourselves’ idea doesn’t wash. We did fine against better teams that’s why we were in a great position. He changed what was working - and before Willock was crocked.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 4, 2022 15:44:41 GMT
Thing is, Warbs is a victim of his own (relative) success.
Off to a great start this season, even toying (very) briefly with the possibility of automatic promotion.
If our form/results were more evenly distributed throughout the year, and that expectation didn't build in the way it has, I think most fans would be pretty pleased with where we are.
To me, finishing anywhere higher than 9th is an improvement on last season, so, progress to a degree.
And although some don't agree with the idea that we're somehow 'playing above ourselves', well, I think that's exactly what we have been doing - hardly surprising given that we have one of the cheapest squads in the league, both in terms of transfer values and wages.
There is no divine right to achieve promotion - former Prem side West Brom have imploded this year, Blackburn and Stoke stuttering like us while Luton, Forest and Boro have picked up the pace.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 4, 2022 16:06:43 GMT
Thing is, Warbs is a victim of his own (relative) success. Off to a great start this season, even toying (very) briefly with the possibility of automatic promotion. If our form/results were more evenly distributed throughout the year, and that expectation didn't build in the way it has, I think most fans would be pretty pleased with where we are. To me, finishing anywhere higher than 9th is an improvement on last season, so, progress to a degree. And although some don't agree with the idea that we're somehow 'playing above ourselves', well, I think that's exactly what we have been doing - hardly surprising given that we have one of the cheapest squads in the league, both in terms of transfer values and wages. There is no divine right to achieve promotion - former Prem side West Brom have imploded this year, Blackburn and Stoke stuttering like us while Luton, Forest and Boro have picked up the pace. Fair points Loftus but this debate is confusing reasons and excuses. Playing above ourselves is what they should be aiming to do, that’s improvement/progress and it’s what put points on the board. Having done that you don’t then bottle it and change what was working. We were in the best position of any club apart from Fulham at one stage. In our hands. You can’t win every game but in that position you shouldn’t be losing to Cardiff etc. |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 4, 2022 20:49:53 GMT
My favourite quote in that article is “I don’t want to come across as a cliche-laden football manager".
Bit fucking late for that. Has he ever listened back to his press conferences? 🤣
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Post by Shania on Apr 4, 2022 21:25:58 GMT
Imo, he is not a victim of his own success, in some instances, he is rather an expert to ruin what`s working. Replacing Amos with Chair when Amos was one of those who made the team ticking and going forward with an out of form player like Chair is just one excample of how Warburton to often messes things up.
Always picking an injured or out of form Stefan Johansen is also highly questionable in my opinion.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Apr 5, 2022 0:13:04 GMT
I've got a lot of respect for how Warbs has worked on and off the field, particularly off it, BUT we've been found out plain and simple.
If Warbs can't come up with another game plan when teams struggling to stay up dominate the play against us then he has to go IMO.
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 5, 2022 10:27:38 GMT
Odds on tomorrow being the day?
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Post by sparks on Apr 5, 2022 12:06:16 GMT
I think MW will go when it’s mathematically sure we miss the playoffs, as Alan said it could be the Derby game.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 5, 2022 16:17:52 GMT
I doubt that, last August, the owners set a target of the play-offs - so I think Warbs will be fine if we improve on last season, ie, finishing 8th or above.
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 5, 2022 20:24:30 GMT
I think MW will go when it’s mathematically sure we miss the playoffs, as Alan said it could be the Derby game. Bet he goes tomorrow if we lose this. |
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Post by sparks on Apr 5, 2022 20:28:27 GMT
I think MW will go when it’s mathematically sure we miss the playoffs, as Alan said it could be the Derby game. Bet he goes tomorrow if we lose this. It’s been poor Tarbie |
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Post by Greg1882 on Apr 5, 2022 20:51:14 GMT
The players clearly don’t give a fuck about him based on their complete lack of effort. Only one outcome after that. Got to go for me
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Post by Corbray on Apr 5, 2022 20:58:38 GMT
think he'll go tonight or tomorrow tbh. i've been a big supporter of warbs for the past few games but tonight was indefensible. fulham was a tad unlucky, both the penalty and because they're the best side in the league but tonight was woeful.
if the game had ended 1-0 to them but we'd put in a solid effort with 20 shots on target then i'd be calling for more time. the players know that warbs was treading water but still haven't turned up, there was no effort from them or any positives to take from the game.
that performance lies at warburtons feet.
thing is, i'm not even that bothered that we lost. we're just a typical midtable team now who're all looking towards the summer holidays.
he's gotta go now imo. give the last 6 games to eustace and see how he does in his audition, if we improve then its his. if not then someone else
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Post by 1qprdk on Apr 5, 2022 21:00:17 GMT
I doubt that, last August, the owners set a target of the play-offs - so I think Warbs will be fine if we improve on last season, ie, finishing 8th or above. To improve on last season (points wise) we need 10 points from last 6 games. Wouldn’t even put a single Ruble on that bet atm. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Apr 5, 2022 21:03:05 GMT
think he'll go tonight or tomorrow tbh. i've been a big supporter of warbs for the past few games but tonight was indefensible. fulham was a tad unlucky, both the penalty and because they're the best side in the league but tonight was woeful. if the game had ended 1-0 to them but we'd put in a solid effort with 20 shots on target then i'd be calling for more time. the players know that warbs was treading water but still haven't turned up, there was no effort from them or any positives to take from the game. that performance lies at warburtons feet. thing is, i'm not even that bothered that we lost. we're just a typical midtable team now who're all looking towards the summer holidays. he's gotta go now imo. give the last 6 games to eustace and see how he does in his audition, if we improve then its his. if not then someone else Would be lunacy giving it to Eunuch. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 5, 2022 21:03:28 GMT
The players clearly don’t give a fuck about him based on their complete lack of effort. Only one outcome after that. Got to go for me There've been a few posts like this lately. If he's genuinely lost the dressing room then that spells curtains without exception. If the players have lost faith in his approach then it's understandable they'd not play 100% for him. There have been hints of that for a while. The flip side of that is they're professionals and having reached the play-offs on your CV counts for something. |
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Post by Corbray on Apr 5, 2022 21:04:56 GMT
think he'll go tonight or tomorrow tbh. i've been a big supporter of warbs for the past few games but tonight was indefensible. fulham was a tad unlucky, both the penalty and because they're the best side in the league but tonight was woeful. if the game had ended 1-0 to them but we'd put in a solid effort with 20 shots on target then i'd be calling for more time. the players know that warbs was treading water but still haven't turned up, there was no effort from them or any positives to take from the game. that performance lies at warburtons feet. thing is, i'm not even that bothered that we lost. we're just a typical midtable team now who're all looking towards the summer holidays. he's gotta go now imo. give the last 6 games to eustace and see how he does in his audition, if we improve then its his. if not then someone else Would be lunacy giving it to Eunuch. why not for the last 6 games? he's very highly rated, turned down the swansea job and has been earmarked as a future manager. lots of managers have gone from being an assistant to managing and done well. |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 5, 2022 21:08:26 GMT
Might thoughts too Corbs. We ain't gonna pick up another point under Warburton. Might as well switch things up and give Eustace a chance to throw his hat into the ring. I mean Warbs is clearly off in the summer regardless, so why the fuck not?
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Post by The General on Apr 5, 2022 21:08:32 GMT
John Terrys looking for a job 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 5, 2022 21:10:04 GMT
The players clearly don’t give a fuck about him based on their complete lack of effort. Only one outcome after that. Got to go for me There've been a few posts like this lately. If he's genuinely lost the dressing room then that spells curtains without exception. If the players have lost faith in his approach then it's understandable they'd not play 100% for him. There have been hints of that for a while. The flip side of that is they're professionals and having reached the play-offs on your CV counts for something. Stan, he lost the dressing room when he signed 2 shit players in January and started picking them ahead of decent players who've grafted hard for us. Very obvious to me! |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 5, 2022 21:10:11 GMT
John Terrys looking for a job 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Might be a cunt,but sort our defence out proper |
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