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Post by West Acton on Feb 23, 2020 8:22:24 GMT
I think part of the improvement in defence is because of Kelly. He just seems more in control and confident
You think he’s nailed No1 spot now?? And do we still need a new keeper in summer or do we stick with what we have ie Kelly and Lumley battling it out
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 23, 2020 8:42:46 GMT
Kelly is better of the two but would still take a new goalie.
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Post by hubble on Feb 23, 2020 8:58:07 GMT
Kelly has something Lumley lacks: composure. Lumley has the ingredients to be a good - even very good - keeper, but something hasn't clicked yet. It could be an experience thing, or maybe he just doesn't have it. In the meantime, it has to Kelly every time now for the rest of the season.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 23, 2020 8:59:18 GMT
I would describe Lumley as a shot stopper but Kelly an actual keeper
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Post by Corbray on Feb 23, 2020 10:09:05 GMT
both keepers are still young and have potential. yeah they've both made errors at times this season and have been pretty lacklustre but kelly is starting to show signs of settling into his role a bit better. don't think there's any point signing a keeper in the summer
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Post by 1qprdk on Feb 23, 2020 10:44:32 GMT
Seny Dieng may be the future. Kelly has a great attitude and looks to be very vocal, but he seemed very reluctant to leave his line yesterday, and I am inclined to think he is just not big enough physically. Great save from the Ameobi shot though.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 23, 2020 11:33:23 GMT
do we still need a new keeper in summer No. Just get Dieng back. With those three we have enough. |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 23, 2020 11:37:41 GMT
Seny Dieng may be the future. Kelly has a great attitude and looks to be very vocal, but he seemed very reluctant to leave his line yesterday, and I am inclined to think he is just not big enough physically. Great save from the Ameobi shot though. in fairness lummers is bigger and don’t leave his line neither did Green. I’m starting to think keepers are coached to stay at home |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 23, 2020 11:38:16 GMT
Yes a better all round keeper than Joe. Kelly just looks more confident and assured of the two, which is infectious and transmits to his defenders. That's vital as it results in less conceded goals as has been proved since he took over in goal. Lumley is still too raw, his main weakness is poor concentration, which for a keeper is a big no no. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2020 12:12:00 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong but weren't we all well chuffed when Lumley took over from Ingram, saying great prospect, will be great keeper etc etc? I blame poor man management for his decline, drop in form and confidence. He wasn't dropping clangers until he was expected to play out and clearly struggles with that. A good manager would have said just keep making saves kid and roll it out to someone who can play while we improve your kicking.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 23, 2020 12:20:30 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong but weren't we all well chuffed when Lumley took over from Ingram, saying great prospect, will be great keeper etc etc? I blame poor man management for his decline, drop in form and confidence. He wasn't dropping clangers until he was expected to play out and clearly struggles with that. A good manager would have said just keep making saves kid and roll it out to someone who can play while we improve your kicking. he has Al he’s always made mistakes, they are just more regular now Personally, like so many before, we get too excited too early and build players up beyond that actual ability. He’s an average keeper, prob a my decent enough number two. I’m sensing your willing to give him more rope, which is fair enough, but I’ve seen enough repeated errors to tell me he’s hit his level. If your suggesting at age of 25 we need to teach him and improve his kicking when he’s a professional footballer we may as well call it a day. You said other day in post if someone is rubbish at something you would not waste any time persisting and to focus on something there good at. What’s changed?? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2020 12:27:38 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong but weren't we all well chuffed when Lumley took over from Ingram, saying great prospect, will be great keeper etc etc? I blame poor man management for his decline, drop in form and confidence. He wasn't dropping clangers until he was expected to play out and clearly struggles with that. A good manager would have said just keep making saves kid and roll it out to someone who can play while we improve your kicking. he has Al he’s always made mistakes, they are just more regular now Personally, like so many before, we get too excited too early and build players up beyond that actual ability. He’s an average keeper, prob a my decent enough number two. I’m sensing your willing to give him more rope, which is fair enough, but I’ve seen enough repeated errors to tell me he’s hit his level. If your suggesting at age of 25 we need to teach him and improve his kicking when he’s a professional footballer we may as well call it a day. You said other day in post if someone is rubbish at something you would not waste any time persisting and to focus on something there good at. What’s changed?? I've agreed with another post that says we need a keeper. I don't rate either highly but I think MW has made Lumley worse. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2020 12:29:30 GMT
And isn't it supposed to be that a coach under a DOF should improve what he's given?
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Post by West Acton on Feb 23, 2020 12:31:27 GMT
And isn't it supposed to be that a coach under a DOF should improve what he's given? or ship out those not and get in someone who is If Bristol were genuinely interested in hindsight should have taken the dough |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 23, 2020 12:33:09 GMT
he has Al he’s always made mistakes, they are just more regular now Personally, like so many before, we get too excited too early and build players up beyond that actual ability. He’s an average keeper, prob a my decent enough number two. I’m sensing your willing to give him more rope, which is fair enough, but I’ve seen enough repeated errors to tell me he’s hit his level. If your suggesting at age of 25 we need to teach him and improve his kicking when he’s a professional footballer we may as well call it a day. You said other day in post if someone is rubbish at something you would not waste any time persisting and to focus on something there good at. What’s changed?? I've agreed with another post that says we need a keeper. I don't rate either highly but I think MW has made Lumley worse. I think the Lumley we see is the Lumley we always had. What made him worse is not Warburton it was kick in head at Villa, been noticeably worse since then Villa fans thought he was play acting too 😂 |
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Post by 1qprdk on Feb 23, 2020 14:27:12 GMT
Seny Dieng may be the future. Kelly has a great attitude and looks to be very vocal, but he seemed very reluctant to leave his line yesterday, and I am inclined to think he is just not big enough physically. Great save from the Ameobi shot though. in fairness lummers is bigger and don’t leave his line neither did Green. I’m starting to think keepers are coached to stay at home There are just some times that Kelly lets in goals that a bigger keeper like Lumley could save, eg. the second one vs. Stoke or the one vs. Bristol. Wouldn´t put Lumley back at the moment mind you, but I wish we could somehow get him back up to speed. Either way we need a new third keeper if Dieng is not ready yet, but he´s been pretty good for Doncaster this season and kept 9 clean sheets AFAIK. Or maybe we just need a new goalkeeping coach? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 23, 2020 15:22:08 GMT
And isn't it supposed to be that a coach under a DOF should improve what he's given? or ship out those not and get in someone who is So no different to a manager then except we've got no money. No wonder people debate why we have a DOF, me included - and that's the role, not Les. |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 23, 2020 15:41:35 GMT
or ship out those not and get in someone who is So no different to a manager then except we've got no money. No wonder people debate why we have a DOF, me included - and that's the role, not Les. we wont agree so no point debating 😁 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 23, 2020 15:48:47 GMT
So no different to a manager then except we've got no money. No wonder people debate why we have a DOF, me included - and that's the role, not Les. we wont agree so no point debating 😁 Isn't that beautiful? The art of self-moderation. What a fine example for a forum  |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 26, 2020 20:04:35 GMT
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Post by Corbray on Feb 26, 2020 20:09:47 GMT
wow, i didn't even see that save from the loft. i thought it was just a scramble in the goal lol.
gotta admit that he's getting better every game, pulls off some quality saves and is a steal at 50k
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 26, 2020 20:29:43 GMT
do we still need a new keeper in summer No. Just get Dieng back. With those three we have enough. Agree. I never wanted him sent back.
However, in the event of waking up in a brave new world where somehow everyone else has fallen apart and we've managed to go up, we'd absolutely have to let one go and bring in someone with proven quality. CB as well.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 26, 2020 20:38:05 GMT
I think Kelly has cemented his place in goal for now, still a few bits he needs to work on but imo commands his area better and is a better shot stopper than Lumley.
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Post by esoxlucius on Jun 10, 2020 13:24:46 GMT
I was musing to myself whether Joe would be first choice GK when the season restarts BCD. He suffered horribly being the focal point for a disastrous defence which was trying to learn a completely new (for QPR) way of defending with a head coach who wasn't much interested in defensive coaching. Bearing in mind the rave reviews he was getting from Bristol fans when he was there, who wanted to buy him, I wonder with these last few months behind him and playing behind closed doors we may see the potential they saw? It will also be interesting to see if Seny Dieng is in the frame now he has returned and where he would fit into the pecking order. Joe was a great GK in the U23's but that shaky start with the team playing out from the back pretty much destroyed him as he was getting the blame for goals that were entirely down to the defence just because he had made other mistakes. With little to play for (we would need 8 wins and other results to go our way to reach the playoffs) this might be just what he needs.
Thoughts?
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jun 10, 2020 14:12:15 GMT
I think Lumley may have more potential than Kelly, but would still start Kelly as he was one reason we had a good run before corona. That would be fair too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 14:17:49 GMT
Good post Esox If I were to pick one out of just Lumley or Kelly I would choose Lumley...that’s not to say Kelly is a bad keeper but he’s too small.Joe has a bigger presence and is more than capable of saving shots that have beaten Kelly.
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Post by West Acton on Jun 10, 2020 14:18:23 GMT
I hope Lumley recovers as when he’s focused he is reasonably good but he has been the weak link the season so far. I think he will always be the type of keeper who pulls off saves then let’s a clanger in
Our recent good run Kelly has been in goal So unless his form in training has deserted him he retains the gloves until which point his form dips and Lumley gets another shot
Two reasonable keepers neither significantly better then the other
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Post by jfrabbit on Jun 10, 2020 14:37:59 GMT
I think Kelly and Lumley are pretty much on par with each other ability wise. If Joe had better feet I'd say he was the better keeper but on numerous occasions we saw that was probably his downfall.
I fully expect Kelly to remain as number 1 as he was before the lockdown.
Long term, I'd like to see Joe reclaim his position. I have faith in him.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 10, 2020 18:17:44 GMT
Lumley got covid,but dropped it
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Post by Hitman34 on Jun 10, 2020 20:29:52 GMT
Lets hope kelly keeps his place.... For all our sakes
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