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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 7, 2023 17:32:24 GMT
Without getting into the Holloway argument wholesale it should be remembered we very nearly fucked it up on the run in to Hillsborough and the fans were getting seriously pissed off with him. It should never have got to Hillsborough with the cheeky bastards giving out the Bristol City score. If Carlsberg did rose-tints they wouldn’t be as good as QPR’s.
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Post by oldr on Oct 7, 2023 17:35:56 GMT
Without getting into the Holloway argument wholesale it should be remembered we very nearly fucked it up on the run in to Hillsborough and the fans were getting seriously pissed off with him. It should never have got to Hillsborough with the cheeky bastards giving out the Bristol City score. If Carlsberg did rose-tints they wouldn’t be as good as QPR’s. I remember conversations around March that year about whether or not he should be sacked... 2003/04 was far, far removed from the myth it has become.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Oct 29, 2023 18:16:41 GMT
hypothetical question here. if you could pick ANY manager to take the job then who would it be? and to add to that, choose any manager from our past at their peak to take over. of the current managers i'd go for klopp. he'd motivate the players, has a history of overachieving with less than spectacular squads and would galvanise the whole club. of our past managers i'd go for peak redknapp. same sort of reason as klopp plus he has experience in relegation battles. i was thinking barcelona or england era venebles but i wasn't alive during that time so i can only go off of what i've read and heard. Venables all day long. Partly because he managed during my “youth” But also because he was a top top manager.
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Post by awin on Oct 29, 2023 18:36:05 GMT
hypothetical question here. if you could pick ANY manager to take the job then who would it be? and to add to that, choose any manager from our past at their peak to take over. of the current managers i'd go for klopp. he'd motivate the players, has a history of overachieving with less than spectacular squads and would galvanise the whole club. of our past managers i'd go for peak redknapp. same sort of reason as klopp plus he has experience in relegation battles. i was thinking barcelona or england era venebles but i wasn't alive during that time so i can only go off of what i've read and heard. Venables all day long. Partly because he managed during my “youth” But also because he was a top top manager. Agreed on all 3 points. Managed Barcelona and is credited with changing how football was played globally.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 29, 2023 20:33:00 GMT
Jago set this club on the road upwards and Sexton nearly won us the League. They were great days but I’d have to agree, Venables.
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 30, 2023 10:27:11 GMT
hypothetical question here. if you could pick ANY manager to take the job then who would it be? and to add to that, choose any manager from our past at their peak to take over. of the current managers i'd go for klopp. he'd motivate the players, has a history of overachieving with less than spectacular squads and would galvanise the whole club. of our past managers i'd go for peak redknapp. same sort of reason as klopp plus he has experience in relegation battles. i was thinking barcelona or england era venebles but i wasn't alive during that time so i can only go off of what i've read and heard. Venables all day long. Partly because he managed during my “youth” But also because he was a top top manager. You're saying Venables but then you go all Redknapp...
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Post by awin on Oct 30, 2023 10:48:34 GMT
hypothetical question here. if you could pick ANY manager to take the job then who would it be? and to add to that, choose any manager from our past at their peak to take over. of the current managers i'd go for klopp. he'd motivate the players, has a history of overachieving with less than spectacular squads and would galvanise the whole club. of our past managers i'd go for peak redknapp. same sort of reason as klopp plus he has experience in relegation battles. i was thinking barcelona or england era venebles but i wasn't alive during that time so i can only go off of what i've read and heard. From our past managers it would be Alec Stock. Managed a QPR side in the lower reaches of the football league and knew the lower divisions like the back of his hand which would be useful for the club now. From any manager in history, Brian Clough. People obviously remember the European successes and League Championship but that journey started when Nottingham Forest were in a similar situation to what we are now. He also saw things in players that had been overlooked by others- such as veteran players who could still play an important role in the right set up and, of course, commanded respect. For all the talk of Venables, Klopp, Guadiola or even Sexton, none managed a side in a situation we are in. I still vote Venables but Warnock also took over a team languishing in the relegation zone and got us promoted the very next season.
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Post by oldr on Oct 30, 2023 10:54:12 GMT
From our past managers it would be Alec Stock. Managed a QPR side in the lower reaches of the football league and knew the lower divisions like the back of his hand which would be useful for the club now. From any manager in history, Brian Clough. People obviously remember the European successes and League Championship but that journey started when Nottingham Forest were in a similar situation to what we are now. He also saw things in players that had been overlooked by others- such as veteran players who could still play an important role in the right set up and, of course, commanded respect. For all the talk of Venables, Klopp, Guadiola or even Sexton, none managed a side in a situation we are in. I still vote Venables but Warnock also took over a team languishing in the relegation zone and got us promoted the very next season. He did but we have a collective memory loss which allows us to forget that he was significantly financially doped that season and that was a key factor in us being promoted. I'm not saying, by the way, that he can only work with money but he's never worked on a tight a budget at QPR as he would be on this occasion which rules him out, for me, as the past manager in this hypothetical question, and his successes with no money aren't half as impressive as Clough's at Nottingham Forest.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 30, 2023 11:00:23 GMT
hypothetical question here. if you could pick ANY manager to take the job then who would it be? and to add to that, choose any manager from our past at their peak to take over. of the current managers i'd go for klopp. he'd motivate the players, has a history of overachieving with less than spectacular squads and would galvanise the whole club. of our past managers i'd go for peak redknapp. same sort of reason as klopp plus he has experience in relegation battles. i was thinking barcelona or england era venebles but i wasn't alive during that time so i can only go off of what i've read and heard. From our past managers it would be Alec Stock. Managed a QPR side in the lower reaches of the football league and knew the lower divisions like the back of his hand which would be useful for the club now. From any manager in history, Brian Clough. People obviously remember the European successes and League Championship but that journey started when Nottingham Forest were in a similar situation to what we are now. He also saw things in players that had been overlooked by others- such as veteran players who could still play an important role in the right set up and, of course, commanded respect. For all the talk of Venables, Klopp, Guadiola or even Sexton, none managed a side in a situation we are in. Was tempted to say Stock as his 60s side was what got me into being a football fan but it was such a different game in those days. Apart from the cheating and the stupid law tinkering give me the modern game any day.
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Post by awin on Oct 30, 2023 11:01:10 GMT
I still vote Venables but Warnock also took over a team languishing in the relegation zone and got us promoted the very next season. He did but we have a collective memory loss which allows us to forget that he was significantly financially doped that season and that was a key factor in us being promoted. I'm not saying, by the way, that he can only work with money but he's never worked on a tight a budget at QPR as he would be on this occasion which rules him out, for me, as the past manager in this hypothetical question, and his successes with no money aren't half as impressive as Clough's at Nottingham Forest. Whilst I’m not disagreeing with you, he didn’t spend a fortune. The only disclosed free was Paddy Kenny at £750k en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–11_Queens_Park_Rangers_F.C._season
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Post by oldr on Oct 30, 2023 11:03:27 GMT
He did but we have a collective memory loss which allows us to forget that he was significantly financially doped that season and that was a key factor in us being promoted. I'm not saying, by the way, that he can only work with money but he's never worked on a tight a budget at QPR as he would be on this occasion which rules him out, for me, as the past manager in this hypothetical question, and his successes with no money aren't half as impressive as Clough's at Nottingham Forest. Whilst I’m not disagreeing with you, he didn’t spend a fortune. The only disclosed free was Paddy Kenny at £750k en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–11_Queens_Park_Rangers_F.C._seasonWe spent £15m - £20m when you take into account other transfers and wages. I have a lot of respect for NW but he wasn't on a shoestring that season.
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 30, 2023 11:11:51 GMT
We spent £15m - £20m when you take into account other transfers and wages. I have a lot of respect for NW but he wasn't on a shoestring that season. No chance we spent that. Taarabt was £1m, Hulse about the same. The rest were either free or less than £1m. Wages wouldn't have been that high either. Isn't our current wage around 20m a year?
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Post by oldr on Oct 30, 2023 11:26:08 GMT
We spent £15m - £20m when you take into account other transfers and wages. I have a lot of respect for NW but he wasn't on a shoestring that season. No chance we spent that. Taarabt was £1m, Hulse about the same. The rest were either free or less than £1m. Wages wouldn't have been that high either. Isn't our current wage around 20m a year? We brought in 8 players during the summer and 7 afterwards. 15 players who, even if they were on an average of £5k a week equates to £4m in wages. The average would have been higher though because some players we signed on a free did so because of the wages on offer. Taarabt cost £1.5m or thereabouts, Tomny Smith about £800k, Rob Hulse £1m, Mackie about £500k. That's, of course, in addition to the salaries generated by the loan players and their loan fees. We were not skint that season!
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Post by spongeparr on Oct 30, 2023 11:33:52 GMT
No chance we spent that. Taarabt was £1m, Hulse about the same. The rest were either free or less than £1m. Wages wouldn't have been that high either. Isn't our current wage around 20m a year? We brought in 8 players during the summer and 7 afterwards. 15 players who, even if they were on an average of £5k a week equates to £4m in wages. The average would have been higher though because some players we signed on a free did so because of the wages on offer. Taarabt cost £1.5m or thereabouts, Tomny Smith about £800k, Rob Hulse £1m, Mackie about £500k. That's, of course, in addition to the salaries generated by the loan players and their loan fees. We were not skint that season! Not saying we were. We just didn't spent that much and the wages mentioned were similar to what we pay now.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 30, 2023 11:53:13 GMT
During my lifetime, have to say Warnock. But I started following QPR in the early 90s and we haven't had a very successful manager that's lasted more a couple of seasons in that time imo.
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Post by oldr on Oct 30, 2023 12:37:30 GMT
We brought in 8 players during the summer and 7 afterwards. 15 players who, even if they were on an average of £5k a week equates to £4m in wages. The average would have been higher though because some players we signed on a free did so because of the wages on offer. Taarabt cost £1.5m or thereabouts, Tomny Smith about £800k, Rob Hulse £1m, Mackie about £500k. That's, of course, in addition to the salaries generated by the loan players and their loan fees. We were not skint that season! Not saying we were. We just didn't spent that much and the wages mentioned were similar to what we pay now. www.thescratchingshed.com/2012/04/championship-clubs-financial-results-2010-11/Just under £30m spent according to this article. Confirmed by BBC www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26644919
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Post by Bill on Nov 2, 2023 11:26:31 GMT
Alec Stock by a country mile.
Brought the club out of obscurity into the limelight.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 2, 2023 13:26:23 GMT
Alec Stock by a country mile. Brought the club out of obscurity into the limelight. Very good point Bill
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Post by oldr on Nov 2, 2023 13:44:46 GMT
Alec Stock by a country mile. Brought the club out of obscurity into the limelight. Him and Jim Gregory were jointly responsible to be fair. You can't have one without the other.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 2, 2023 14:00:11 GMT
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 2, 2023 14:31:29 GMT
People saying Warnock spent a lot. Obvs different eras so therefore different amounts but Venners was also allowed to spend big. Imagine if one of our recent managers had been allowed to basically buy Crystal Palace. Even Ainsworth might have got a few results.
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Post by hubble on Nov 2, 2023 18:58:58 GMT
Clearly people's favourite manager is a bit like their favourite era for music - it's when you were young and excited about football. So for those of a certain vintage, it's Alec Stock or Jim Gregory. For others Dave Sexton. For others it's gotta be Venables. If you're in your late 20s/early 30s, it's probably Warnock. Or at a push, Gigi Di Canio. For youngsters just starting their Rangers journey, I hope it will be Marti Cifuentes. However for me, it's Iain Dowie. Kidding. I'd go Venables.
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Post by The General on Nov 2, 2023 19:03:13 GMT
Venables and Warnock joint for me
My wife met Venners said he was a lovely bloke
Proper nice guy
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 2, 2023 21:08:19 GMT
Venables and Warnock joint for me My wife met Venners said he was a lovely bloke Proper nice guy Not in the toilets at Carrow Rd I hope General?
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Post by The General on Nov 2, 2023 21:58:33 GMT
Venables and Warnock joint for me My wife met Venners said he was a lovely bloke Proper nice guy Not in the toilets at Carrow Rd I hope General? Ha ha no mate hope not 🤣
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 3, 2023 1:06:52 GMT
Dave Sexton for me because 1975/76 was my initiation to the club and attended every home game of that magical season. To witness that team as an impressionable football mad youth stays with you forever. Sexton and those players therefore had God-like status to me, riding high in the old 1st Division playing that mesmerising 'total football' in front of a packed and rocking stadium every week with 25,000 average attendances. That's when Loftus Road really was the intimidating fortress that struck genuine fear into opposing teams.
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Post by Bill on Nov 3, 2023 10:14:34 GMT
Dave Sexton for me because 1975/76 was my initiation to the club and attended every home game of that magical season. To witness that team as an impressionable football mad youth stays with you forever. Sexton and those players therefore had God-like status to me, riding high in the old 1st Division playing that mesmerising 'total football' in front of a packed and rocking stadium every week with 25,000 average attendances. That's when Loftus Road really was the intimidating fortress that put genuine fear into opposing teams. Great days i had season tickets that era. However without Alec Stock none of this woould of happened.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 3, 2023 10:21:20 GMT
Has to be a case for Stock as the League Cup win in ‘67 put the club on the map - and we walked the Third that season too - but Jago modernised the football we played. Laid the foundation for Sexton.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 3, 2023 10:44:23 GMT
Dave Sexton for me because 1975/76 was my initiation to the club and attended every home game of that magical season. To witness that team as an impressionable football mad youth stays with you forever. Sexton and those players therefore had God-like status to me, riding high in the old 1st Division playing that mesmerising 'total football' in front of a packed and rocking stadium every week with 25,000 average attendances. That's when Loftus Road really was the intimidating fortress that put genuine fear into opposing teams. Great days i had season tickets that era. However without Alec Stock none of this woould of happened. Has to be a case for Stock as the League Cup win in ‘67 put the club on the map - and we walked the Third that season too - but Jago modernised the football we played. Laid the foundation for Sexton. Agree with you both about Stock and Jago, but unfortunately it was before my time. Opening game of 75/76, the 2-0 home win against Liverpool was literally my initiation ceremony - with Gerry's goal of the season to boot! In further credit to Sexton too, he did go on to manage Manchester United. Also had a very successful period as coach of the England's Under-21 side, winning the UEFA Under 21s Championship twice, in 1982 and 1984. He then went on to become the FA's first Technical Director at the FA's National School at Lilleshall in 1984.
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Post by Bill on Nov 3, 2023 13:50:54 GMT
Has to be a case for Stock as the League Cup win in ‘67 put the club on the map - and we walked the Third that season too - but Jago modernised the football we played. Laid the foundation for Sexton. And promotion the season after 67/68 with more or less the same side. Went to nearly every game that season home and away. Ipswich away Micky Leach was superb and the scenes at Villa Park when we won promotion will forever live in my memory and heart.
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