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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 21, 2019 9:52:47 GMT
One of my (much) younger mates just asked me for my best ever Rs manager. Not forgetting Alec Stock - different times - and remembering how embarrassing our first go at the top division was, here's my answer......Jago built from nothing, Venables would have bought club if Barca hadn't come along and was brilliantly innovative, Warnock for over achieving and you'd have to include Sexton for 76 but Jago put that team together in first place. Take your pick. Jago for starting it all.....?
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 21, 2019 10:15:01 GMT
Agree that Jago built the foundations of our greatest ever side. Sexton executed it with the proof in the pudding being THAT great season. Could Jago have done the same is a question we can speculate on but will never categorically know the answer to. Part of the answer though is that Sexton then went on to have a more successful managerial career than Jago.
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Post by Shania on Apr 21, 2019 10:24:01 GMT
The one who was in charge for our 67-team must have done something right. Was that Alex Stock??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 10:53:57 GMT
Gerry first time around was fantastic but taking all things into consideration Holloway first time around in recent years was great considering we had 5 or 6 first teamers on the books for pre season in the administration years
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Post by DiscoDroid on Apr 21, 2019 11:00:12 GMT
too young for Sexton so terry venables and Gerry Francis, (My All time QPR Hero), for me.
I also admired Gentleman Don Howe Greatly. IMO Howe and Ron Greenwood woud have been fine coaches in any era.
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Post by Vespa on Apr 21, 2019 12:10:36 GMT
Venebles for me ,but i didnt start going till 81 , so missed the stars of the 60s and 70s
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 21, 2019 12:40:27 GMT
I've been following Rangers since around 1990. Of course when you're an 8 year old kid you don't really pay as much attention to things like how good the manager is, but my favourite managers in that time were Warnock, De Canio and Gerry Francis (1st stint). De Canio may be a bit of a big shout given how short a period he was at the club, but in bursts he had us playing some of the best football I can remember at Loftus Road.
What I'm about to say next will surprise a few, but the first couple of years of Ollie's first stint were amongst my favourite years supporting Rangers. All pulling together after Admin felt a lot better than it feels going to watch us play these days. Ollie was the right man at the right time back then. Other than Warnock, we can't say that about too many of our managerial appointments in recent years.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 21, 2019 15:46:35 GMT
The one who was in charge for our 67-team must have done something right. Was that Alex Stock?? Yes Shania and the achievement was special but the quality wasn't everywhere in those days. We were miles better. We walked the old third division, got promoted again the following season to the top league....then got found out big time. 19 points, although it was only 2 for a win back then. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 21, 2019 17:04:24 GMT
First manager I remember was Gerry Francis. Warnock for me.
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Post by Shania on Apr 21, 2019 18:49:09 GMT
The one who was in charge for our 67-team must have done something right. Was that Alex Stock?? Yes Shania and the achievement was special but the quality wasn't everywhere in those days. We were miles better. We walked the old third division, got promoted again the following season to the top league.... then got found out big time. 19 points, although it was only 2 for a win back then. Ok. Thanks. And then Dave Sexton came to us and brought in ideas from Holland and Ajax.. Sexton was a great manager! |
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Post by Shania on Apr 21, 2019 19:07:22 GMT
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Post by lymehoop on Apr 21, 2019 20:15:05 GMT
The one who was in charge for our 67-team must have done something right. Was that Alex Stock?? Yes Shania and the achievement was special but the quality wasn't everywhere in those days. We were miles better. We walked the old third division, got promoted again the following season to the top league....then got found out big time. 19 points, although it was only 2 for a win back then. 18 points Alan, 4 wins 10 draws. That was a tough season. I rate Jago highly too. Had the nucleus of a decent side when he arrived. Parkes, Clement, Venables, Busby and Francis were established in the first team and he was unfortunate to lose his job. When you look back at some of the sides we had in the past and look at the dross out there today, it makes you want to weep |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Apr 22, 2019 5:44:04 GMT
Very worrying that some think Holloway or Warnock should be considered. You have an excuse not to have been there, but there's no excuse for not knowing what we did between 1965 and 1983/84. Any argument for Stock, Sexton or Venebles is valid and it is impossible to choose between the 3 but Holloway or Warnock...? Just no. I know what they did, I'm purely going on the managers that have been in charge since I first started supporting QPR. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 6, 2023 23:38:25 GMT
Jesus…..how many good ones have we had then? Stock, Jago, Sexton, Venables, Warnock.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 7, 2023 5:15:04 GMT
Jesus…..how many good ones have we had then? Stock, Jago, Sexton, Venables, Warnock. Top London club under Gerry, finishing 5th in The Premier League? |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 7, 2023 7:49:50 GMT
Would have been interesting to see how things progressed if Gigi di canio stayed longer.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 7, 2023 7:50:20 GMT
Warburton has to be on list of one of the better managers granted not best.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 7, 2023 8:09:39 GMT
Always thought Sousa would have made it here. Mind you, only lasts about a year wherever he goes.
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Post by hubble on Oct 7, 2023 8:40:44 GMT
Although OldR will have an aneurysm reading this, Holloway was a great manager first time around. He took a team in total disarray, instilled not just a fighting spirit, but a winning mentality, and - again, OldR will hate this - it was a great time to be a fan. Yes, the 75-76 season was amazing, yes, we had some fantastic teams in the 80s and early 90s, but in terms of football fan experience, Olly's tenure was right up there. There's a Steve Palmer interview on LFW and just listening to him talk about those years brings it all back - especially of course the promotion season culminating in that last day win at Hillsborough. I was there, as I'm sure most of you were, and no one can tell me that wasn't a fucking brilliant moment to be a QPR fan. That was followed by the open bus parade the next weekend, and standing on the balcony of the Bushranger overlooking a sea of QPR fans filling Goldhawk Road, has to rate as possibly my favourite time being a Rangers fan. To say otherwise is just snobbery, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 7, 2023 9:32:34 GMT
from my time supporting us ...
holloway, warnock, warburton and to a lesser extent the eel.
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Post by oldr on Oct 7, 2023 9:39:21 GMT
Although OldR will have an aneurysm reading this, Holloway was a great manager first time around. He took a team in total disarray, instilled not just a fighting spirit, but a winning mentality, and - again, OldR will hate this - it was a great time to be a fan. Yes, the 75-76 season was amazing, yes, we had some fantastic teams in the 80s and early 90s, but in terms of football fan experience, Olly's tenure was right up there. There's a Steve Palmer interview on LFW and just listening to him talk about those years brings it all back - especially of course the promotion season culminating in that last day win at Hillsborough. I was there, as I'm sure most of you were, and no one can tell me that wasn't a fucking brilliant moment to be a QPR fan. That was followed by the open bus parade the next weekend, and standing on the balcony of the Bushranger overlooking a sea of QPR fans filling Goldhawk Road, has to rate as possibly my favourite time being a Rangers fan. To say otherwise is just snobbery, as far as I'm concerned. Why would I hate you having fond memories? It's debatable whether we can consider Holloway v.1 as a great manager. There is definitely a school of thought - which I, as you suspect, subscribe to - that we were promoted DESPITE having him as manager. I was at Hillsborough and had a great day but the abiding memory of those last couple of months prior to that day isn't one of us marching triumphantly forwards - as we should have done with the squad and budget at our disposal - but one of angst and discussion about whether or not we'd actually do it. Also, as said in another thread, I grew up in an era where our managers acted with a degree of dignity and professionalism for the most part. Ian Holloway was anything but and was, to me and many others I have spoken to then and over the subsequent years, an embarrassment and someone we felt we had to tolerate rather than like. It's not snobbery to set your expectations about the way our managers should carry themselves high. We had a dignified, proud history and reputation. It's also not snobbery to be more fond and nostalgic for the Venables, Sexton, Stock and G Francis and look at the Holloway years differently. It's about preference. |
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Post by oldr on Oct 7, 2023 9:44:17 GMT
Not the best but a shout out to Don Howe who was the link needed between the end of the Smith/T Francis years and the era which began when Gerry was appointed.
Kept us up in 1991 when it looked likely we'd go down and brought on board some key players who would play a significant role on the success Gerry enjoyed.
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Post by Shania on Oct 7, 2023 10:16:01 GMT
My impression from the few matches I saw on television during the Holloway era was that he was more a motivator than a tactician. He was often accused of putting square pegs in round holes, but I guess motivation was enough in League One back then though.
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Post by oldr on Oct 7, 2023 10:30:43 GMT
My impression from the few matches I saw on television during the Holloway era was that he was more a motivator than a tactician. He was often accused of putting square pegs in round holes, but I guess motivation was enough in League One back then though. Definitely a motivator and not a tactician. It was, just, enough to see us over the line but I personally feel it was harder to do what he did that year than actually win the league at a canter. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 7, 2023 10:32:20 GMT
Although OldR will have an aneurysm reading this, Holloway was a great manager first time around. He took a team in total disarray, instilled not just a fighting spirit, but a winning mentality, and - again, OldR will hate this - it was a great time to be a fan. Yes, the 75-76 season was amazing, yes, we had some fantastic teams in the 80s and early 90s, but in terms of football fan experience, Olly's tenure was right up there. There's a Steve Palmer interview on LFW and just listening to him talk about those years brings it all back - especially of course the promotion season culminating in that last day win at Hillsborough. I was there, as I'm sure most of you were, and no one can tell me that wasn't a fucking brilliant moment to be a QPR fan. That was followed by the open bus parade the next weekend, and standing on the balcony of the Bushranger overlooking a sea of QPR fans filling Goldhawk Road, has to rate as possibly my favourite time being a Rangers fan. To say otherwise is just snobbery, as far as I'm concerned. even gave us day out at Cardiff which we have not experienced many times result aside. Loved Ollie MK1 ; absolutely detested the reincarnated MK2 version was like he had had total personality transplant. |
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Post by hubble on Oct 7, 2023 10:42:00 GMT
Although OldR will have an aneurysm reading this, Holloway was a great manager first time around. He took a team in total disarray, instilled not just a fighting spirit, but a winning mentality, and - again, OldR will hate this - it was a great time to be a fan. Yes, the 75-76 season was amazing, yes, we had some fantastic teams in the 80s and early 90s, but in terms of football fan experience, Olly's tenure was right up there. There's a Steve Palmer interview on LFW and just listening to him talk about those years brings it all back - especially of course the promotion season culminating in that last day win at Hillsborough. I was there, as I'm sure most of you were, and no one can tell me that wasn't a fucking brilliant moment to be a QPR fan. That was followed by the open bus parade the next weekend, and standing on the balcony of the Bushranger overlooking a sea of QPR fans filling Goldhawk Road, has to rate as possibly my favourite time being a Rangers fan. To say otherwise is just snobbery, as far as I'm concerned. Why would I hate you having fond memories? It's debatable whether we can consider Holloway v.1 as a great manager. There is definitely a school of thought - which I, as you suspect, subscribe to - that we were promoted DESPITE having him as manager. I was at Hillsborough and had a great day but the abiding memory of those last couple of months prior to that day isn't one of us marching triumphantly forwards - as we should have done with the squad and budget at our disposal - but one of angst and discussion about whether or not we'd actually do it. Also, as said in another thread, I grew up in an era where our managers acted with a degree of dignity and professionalism for the most part. Ian Holloway was anything but and was, to me and many others I have spoken to then and over the subsequent years, an embarrassment and someone we felt we had to tolerate rather than like. It's not snobbery to set your expectations about the way our managers should carry themselves high. We had a dignified, proud history and reputation. It's also not snobbery to be more fond and nostalgic for the Venables, Sexton, Stock and G Francis and look at the Holloway years differently. It's about preference.
Oh come on mate, take off those rose tinted specs! We had some great years, and great players and managers, but the antics of Stan Bowles alone, enjoyable as they were, would hardly fit into the category of 'dignified'. Some of his shenanigans, along with his mates like Don Shanks, would easily match the worst of Holloway's antics. And to say we were promoted 'despite' Holloway is frankly absurd. Have a listen to the Steve Palmer interview. Palmer, a very intelligent man - with an engineering degree from Cambridge no less - and a well of football experience, talks very highly of Holloway. I think I'll side with his view of those years, rather than yours, which seem extremely partisan to me. You seem stuck in the past, but then I guess your moniker reflects that.
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Post by oldr on Oct 7, 2023 11:09:18 GMT
Why would I hate you having fond memories? It's debatable whether we can consider Holloway v.1 as a great manager. There is definitely a school of thought - which I, as you suspect, subscribe to - that we were promoted DESPITE having him as manager. I was at Hillsborough and had a great day but the abiding memory of those last couple of months prior to that day isn't one of us marching triumphantly forwards - as we should have done with the squad and budget at our disposal - but one of angst and discussion about whether or not we'd actually do it. Also, as said in another thread, I grew up in an era where our managers acted with a degree of dignity and professionalism for the most part. Ian Holloway was anything but and was, to me and many others I have spoken to then and over the subsequent years, an embarrassment and someone we felt we had to tolerate rather than like. It's not snobbery to set your expectations about the way our managers should carry themselves high. We had a dignified, proud history and reputation. It's also not snobbery to be more fond and nostalgic for the Venables, Sexton, Stock and G Francis and look at the Holloway years differently. It's about preference. Oh come on mate, take off those rose tinted specs! We had some great years, and great players and managers, but the antics of Stan Bowles alone, enjoyable as they were, would hardly fit into the category of 'dignified'. Some of his shenanigans, along with his mates like Don Shanks, would easily match the worst of Holloway's antics. And to say we were promoted 'despite' Holloway is frankly absurd. Have a listen to the Steve Palmer interview. Palmer, a very intelligent man - with an engineering degree from Cambridge no less - and a well of football experience, talks very highly of Holloway. I think I'll side with his view of those years, rather than yours, which seem extremely partisan to me. You seem stuck in the past, but then I guess your moniker reflects that. It's nothing to do with being stuck in the past but preferences. I remember a post you made on LTW that you admitted you missed most of the 1980s - until you decided to give football another chance at Loftus Road - and that would influence your memories of the Holloway years as much as me attending under Venables et al would influence mine. There's no right answer to the question 'how good were the Holloway years?'. Also my post about being dignified was clearly about managers not players. We could write a book on the antics of former players which were definitely not dignified and I have personal memories of being in a Hammersmith pub in the early 90s when a then QPR player was absolutely pissed and did a full strip tease. (No, I'm not going to name names). Steve Palmer is also entitled to his own opinions but they're not more qualified than mine or, for the record, less. However, two things: Firstly he hasn't enough knowledge of supporting QPR under the reigns of Venables, Sexton, Stock et al to have the same experience of fans who did. Secondly, an engineering degree is absolutely irrelevant and his opinion of Holloway as a manager still has no bearing on whether or not Holloway acted similarly to Terry Venables, Alec Stock, Dave Sexton, Gerry Francis and many others or not. Whether he, you or anyone else believes Holloway was a good manager or not is entirely subjective, not a fact. We are not talking about Sir Alex Fergusson here. |
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Post by hubble on Oct 7, 2023 11:59:11 GMT
Oh come on mate, take off those rose tinted specs! We had some great years, and great players and managers, but the antics of Stan Bowles alone, enjoyable as they were, would hardly fit into the category of 'dignified'. Some of his shenanigans, along with his mates like Don Shanks, would easily match the worst of Holloway's antics. And to say we were promoted 'despite' Holloway is frankly absurd. Have a listen to the Steve Palmer interview. Palmer, a very intelligent man - with an engineering degree from Cambridge no less - and a well of football experience, talks very highly of Holloway. I think I'll side with his view of those years, rather than yours, which seem extremely partisan to me. You seem stuck in the past, but then I guess your moniker reflects that. It's nothing to do with being stuck in the past but preferences. I remember a post you made on LTW that you admitted you missed most of the 1980s - until you decided to give football another chance at Loftus Road - and that would influence your memories of the Holloway years as much as me attending under Venables et al would influence mine. There's no right answer to the question 'how good were the Holloway years?'. Also my post about being dignified was clearly about managers not players. We could write a book on the antics of former players which were definitely not dignified and I have personal memories of being in a Hammersmith pub in the early 90s when a then QPR player was absolutely pissed and did a full strip tease. (No, I'm not going to name names). Steve Palmer is also entitled to his own opinions but they're not more qualified than mine or, for the record, less. However, two things: Firstly he hasn't enough knowledge of supporting QPR under the reigns of Venables, Sexton, Stock et al to have the same experience of fans who did. Secondly, an engineering degree is absolutely irrelevant and his opinion of Holloway as a manager still has no bearing on whether or not Holloway acted similarly to Terry Venables, Alec Stock, Dave Sexton, Gerry Francis and many others or not. Whether he, you or anyone else believes Holloway was a good manager or not is entirely subjective, not a fact. We are not talking about Sir Alex Fergusson here. That is a frankly ludicrous statement. You'll argue differently. That's the blindspot I was talking about. You seem to have a kind of reductionist view of reality, whereby anything you, or anyone else says is 'just an opinion', and all opinions are equally valid.
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Post by Hitman34 on Oct 7, 2023 12:15:04 GMT
Gerry francis
Trevor Francis
Venebles
Smith
Howe
Warburton
All in no particular order
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Post by oldr on Oct 7, 2023 12:31:27 GMT
It's nothing to do with being stuck in the past but preferences. I remember a post you made on LTW that you admitted you missed most of the 1980s - until you decided to give football another chance at Loftus Road - and that would influence your memories of the Holloway years as much as me attending under Venables et al would influence mine. There's no right answer to the question 'how good were the Holloway years?'. Also my post about being dignified was clearly about managers not players. We could write a book on the antics of former players which were definitely not dignified and I have personal memories of being in a Hammersmith pub in the early 90s when a then QPR player was absolutely pissed and did a full strip tease. (No, I'm not going to name names). Steve Palmer is also entitled to his own opinions but they're not more qualified than mine or, for the record, less. However, two things: Firstly he hasn't enough knowledge of supporting QPR under the reigns of Venables, Sexton, Stock et al to have the same experience of fans who did. Secondly, an engineering degree is absolutely irrelevant and his opinion of Holloway as a manager still has no bearing on whether or not Holloway acted similarly to Terry Venables, Alec Stock, Dave Sexton, Gerry Francis and many others or not. Whether he, you or anyone else believes Holloway was a good manager or not is entirely subjective, not a fact. We are not talking about Sir Alex Fergusson here. That is a frankly ludicrous statement. You'll argue differently. That's the blindspot I was talking about. You seem to have a kind of reductionist view of reality, whereby anything you, or anyone else says is 'just an opinion', and all opinions are equally valid.
Absolute tosh. I don't know how many sportsmen you have among your circle of friends but I'm lucky to count a few and some of them even hate the sport they represent and don't watch it: including a family friend who was WBA World Champion and didn't watch any boxing apart from tapes of his opponents a few weeks before the fight. They know less about their fields than most fans. Steve Palmer is entitled to his opinion and if he is somehow reading this and wants to relay his thoughts about supporting QPR during the 1980s I'd give his opinions a read like I would anyone. However, for every Steve Palmer there will be players who played for Holloway who thought he was a knob. You see, it's all down to personal opinions and none is right or wrong and you don't need a Degree in Engineering from Oxford to know that. |
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