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Post by hal9thou on Nov 9, 2022 21:10:10 GMT
This is his first taste of the heat being turned up a few notches. I'm confident he'll sort it out. You need confidence as a rookie boss to lay down the law and demand bodies on the line. I don't think he'll be holding back anymore. That's why I don't see recent results as a disaster, I see them as an opportunity to identify and sort out a few issues. There was always going to be a bad spell, a few people on and off the park had been getting carried away.
Having said all that, any manger under this board has to do the shopping round the back by the bins. The attitude upstairs is slum it and maybe we get lucky one year. Unlike many people on here, I'm not sure that this is any more sustainable than spending a few quid but we've done all that before.
QPR under this board is a wing and prayer. Each time I go to bed I pray like Aretha Franklin.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 9, 2022 21:10:31 GMT
Stan: you say you "quite rate" Beale. Judging by your posts from some weeks ago I would say you are (or were) just a tad more positive about him than that! Your enthusiasm for all things Beale exceeded even my praise of Chair...
All that said I also remain optimistic he will prove a good fit for us. I just hope when we do next go on a good run (and it will come) that this time we keep a little more perspective. He has dropped some clangers (well documented on here) but he is a fast learner and by most accounts a good coach so I'm hoping his time with the squad during the World Cup will benefit us more than some clubs with fairly basic managers.
Result against Coventry important - lose and the whole club will be dwelling for weeks over our slump - win and we can dust ourselves down and say "solid start to the season".
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 9, 2022 21:42:17 GMT
Stan: you say you "quite rate" Beale. Judging by your posts from some weeks ago I would say you are (or were) just a tad more positive about him than that! Your enthusiasm for all things Beale exceeded even my praise of Chair... That's twisting my words a bit Stains TBF. Here's what we said: Think everybody quite rates Beale and is longing for him to succeed. I'd put myself in that camp personally. I think he's a talented young coach and hasn't suddenly become a bad one. He'll get through this sticky spell and will learn from it I expect. Here's another of my recent posts: We've come into our first run of poor form under Beale so a real test of his resolve. Be telling to see how he gets through this and turns things round. By his own admission he's a rookie manager and learning as he goes. I like the fact he shows humility there as most managers we've had in recent times were arrogant and stubborn which ultimately proved their downfall. Beale is at least tactically flexible and makes changes when things clearly aren't working. So I'm watching this space with interest. Further, I've also agreed with the recent criticisms of him not getting in the 4th officials ear enough. So quite balanced I'd say on the whole. In summary, yes of course I've been very positive about him to date and have been far from the only one. I think he's a very talented young coach with a lot of potential to do well. He obviously enjoyed a brilliant start to the season which lead us to the top of the table a few games back. I think he also comes across really well in interviews and always makes good sense. Yes, unfortunately the wheels have come off recently as we've all seen. But I fully stand by those comments and just find it funny how the less positive posters are so quick to strawman the more positive posters the moment the inevitable poor run of results comes along. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 9, 2022 21:57:06 GMT
This is his first taste of the heat being turned up a few notches. I'm confident he'll sort it out. You need confidence as a rookie boss to lay down the law and demand bodies on the line. I don't think he'll be holding back anymore. That's why I don't see recent results as a disaster, I see them as an opportunity to identify and sort out a few issues. There was always going to be a bad spell, a few people on and off the park had been getting carried away. My thoughts too Hal. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 10, 2022 11:07:29 GMT
Stan: you say you "quite rate" Beale. Judging by your posts from some weeks ago I would say you are (or were) just a tad more positive about him than that! Your enthusiasm for all things Beale exceeded even my praise of Chair... That's twisting my words a bit Stains TBF. Here's what we said: I'd put myself in that camp personally. I think he's a talented young coach and hasn't suddenly become a bad one. He'll get through this sticky spell and will learn from it I expect. Here's another of my recent posts: We've come into our first run of poor form under Beale so a real test of his resolve. Be telling to see how he gets through this and turns things round. By his own admission he's a rookie manager and learning as he goes. I like the fact he shows humility there as most managers we've had in recent times were arrogant and stubborn which ultimately proved their downfall. Beale is at least tactically flexible and makes changes when things clearly aren't working. So I'm watching this space with interest. Further, I've also agreed with the recent criticisms of him not getting in the 4th officials ear enough. So quite balanced I'd say on the whole. In summary, yes of course I've been very positive about him to date and have been far from the only one. I think he's a very talented young coach with a lot of potential to do well. He obviously enjoyed a brilliant start to the season which lead us to the top of the table a few games back. I think he also comes across really well in interviews and always makes good sense. Yes, unfortunately the wheels have come off recently as we've all seen. But I fully stand by those comments and just find it funny how the less positive posters are so quick to strawman the more positive posters the moment the inevitable poor run of results comes along. Hi Stan - I wasn't referring to your recent posts, it was more when we were on the winning run. It wasn't just you - but there was a tendency to praise Beale for almost everything and I just wasn't convinced he had so totally transformed everything compared to what Warbs was doing - a few positive signs, but not much more than that. It was honestly getting to the stage when if the queues had grown shorter and the beer more chilled in the SA Rd stand, I was fully expecting some fans (not you) to start giving Mick Beale the credit. I simply thought it was over the top - not least because when we inevitably went on a losing run, expectations would be sky high and it puts Beale under needless pressure. You talk of "less positive" posters. I probably am less positive than you but I don't think I'm negative. I tend to defend club decisions when fans are getting frustrated about lack of transfers etc. I broadly think we are going in the right direction, and as I've said I rate Beale. I personally try not to get too excited when we win or too suicidal when we lose (easier said that done sometimes, I know). But each to their own, every fan is different and it would be a boring forum if we all agreed on everything. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 10, 2022 11:23:38 GMT
That's twisting my words a bit Stains TBF. Here's what we said: Here's another of my recent posts: Further, I've also agreed with the recent criticisms of him not getting in the 4th officials ear enough. So quite balanced I'd say on the whole. In summary, yes of course I've been very positive about him to date and have been far from the only one. I think he's a very talented young coach with a lot of potential to do well. He obviously enjoyed a brilliant start to the season which lead us to the top of the table a few games back. I think he also comes across really well in interviews and always makes good sense. Yes, unfortunately the wheels have come off recently as we've all seen. But I fully stand by those comments and just find it funny how the less positive posters are so quick to strawman the more positive posters the moment the inevitable poor run of results comes along. Hi Stan - I wasn't referring to your recent posts, it was more when we were on the winning run. It wasn't just you - but there was a tendency to praise Beale for almost everything and I just wasn't convinced he had so totally transformed everything compared to what Warbs was doing - a few positive signs, but not much more than that. It was honestly getting to the stage when if the queues had grown shorter and the beer more chilled in the SA Rd stand, I was fully expecting some fans (not you) to start giving Mick Beale the credit. I simply thought it was over the top - not least because when we inevitably went on a losing run, expectations would be sky high and it puts Beale under needless pressure. You talk of "less positive" posters. I probably am less positive than you but I don't think I'm negative. I tend to defend club decisions when fans are getting frustrated about lack of transfers etc. I broadly think we are going in the right direction, and as I've said I rate Beale. I personally try not to get too excited when we win or too suicidal when we lose (easier said that done sometimes, I know). But each to their own, every fan is different and it would be a boring forum if we all agreed on everything. agree and second this post. Onwards and upwards |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 10, 2022 11:48:25 GMT
Hi Stan - I wasn't referring to your recent posts, it was more when we were on the winning run. It wasn't just you - but there was a tendency to praise Beale for almost everything and I just wasn't convinced he had so totally transformed everything compared to what Warbs was doing - a few positive signs, but not much more than that. It was honestly getting to the stage when if the queues had grown shorter and the beer more chilled in the SA Rd stand, I was fully expecting some fans (not you) to start giving Mick Beale the credit. I simply thought it was over the top - not least because when we inevitably went on a losing run, expectations would be sky high and it puts Beale under needless pressure. You talk of "less positive" posters. I probably am less positive than you but I don't think I'm negative. I tend to defend club decisions when fans are getting frustrated about lack of transfers etc. I broadly think we are going in the right direction, and as I've said I rate Beale. I personally try not to get too excited when we win or too suicidal when we lose (easier said that done sometimes, I know). But each to their own, every fan is different and it would be a boring forum if we all agreed on everything. agree and second this post. Onwards and upwards Agree too (on the whole 😅). Good post Stains and yes of course we can't all agree on everything. Onwards and upwards indeed 👍 |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Nov 10, 2022 12:12:25 GMT
Beale shortlisted for manager of the month for October.
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 10, 2022 12:33:34 GMT
Hi Stan - I wasn't referring to your recent posts, it was more when we were on the winning run. It wasn't just you - but there was a tendency to praise Beale for almost everything and I just wasn't convinced he had so totally transformed everything compared to what Warbs was doing - a few positive signs, but not much more than that. It was honestly getting to the stage when if the queues had grown shorter and the beer more chilled in the SA Rd stand, I was fully expecting some fans (not you) to start giving Mick Beale the credit. I simply thought it was over the top - not least because when we inevitably went on a losing run, expectations would be sky high and it puts Beale under needless pressure. You talk of "less positive" posters. I probably am less positive than you but I don't think I'm negative. I tend to defend club decisions when fans are getting frustrated about lack of transfers etc. I broadly think we are going in the right direction, and as I've said I rate Beale. I personally try not to get too excited when we win or too suicidal when we lose (easier said that done sometimes, I know). But each to their own, every fan is different and it would be a boring forum if we all agreed on everything. I think the culture at the club does seem different to where we were a year ago: for example Mick has been more hands on with dem yout than MW was. I like his frankness and I liked seeing him really pissed off the other day. He actually talked about the lack of physical commitment, bodies on the line stuff in a way old skool managers seldom used to. He put nothing down to bad luck, and didn't excuse himself. We're gonna end up with more points than last season (yes I'll take bets) and we started with a weaker squad. And more injuries. This lad Mick Beale isn't the messiah, these days the messiah has to be at boardroom level, we are a thin squad with no strikers, ie a situation where any manager is going to struggle at some point - of course it was all going to go tits up for a while. I think most people on here have been really even handed, including old hands like Bill. |
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Post by The General on Nov 10, 2022 12:45:26 GMT
That's twisting my words a bit Stains TBF. Here's what we said: Here's another of my recent posts: Further, I've also agreed with the recent criticisms of him not getting in the 4th officials ear enough. So quite balanced I'd say on the whole. In summary, yes of course I've been very positive about him to date and have been far from the only one. I think he's a very talented young coach with a lot of potential to do well. He obviously enjoyed a brilliant start to the season which lead us to the top of the table a few games back. I think he also comes across really well in interviews and always makes good sense. Yes, unfortunately the wheels have come off recently as we've all seen. But I fully stand by those comments and just find it funny how the less positive posters are so quick to strawman the more positive posters the moment the inevitable poor run of results comes along. Hi Stan - I wasn't referring to your recent posts, it was more when we were on the winning run. It wasn't just you - but there was a tendency to praise Beale for almost everything and I just wasn't convinced he had so totally transformed everything compared to what Warbs was doing - a few positive signs, but not much more than that. It was honestly getting to the stage when if the queues had grown shorter and the beer more chilled in the SA Rd stand, I was fully expecting some fans (not you) to start giving Mick Beale the credit. I simply thought it was over the top - not least because when we inevitably went on a losing run, expectations would be sky high and it puts Beale under needless pressure. You talk of "less positive" posters. I probably am less positive than you but I don't think I'm negative. I tend to defend club decisions when fans are getting frustrated about lack of transfers etc. I broadly think we are going in the right direction, and as I've said I rate Beale. I personally try not to get too excited when we win or too suicidal when we lose (easier said that done sometimes, I know). But each to their own, every fan is different and it would be a boring forum if we all agreed on everything. Dont actually think there are many "Less Positive Posters" really on this site Stan only a small handful of which they are entitled to be worn down after 40yrs With the clubs empty promises and constant media bollox whilst Fulham / Brentford overtake us . Some are Very Positive / Some are Hopeful / Some are Realists - (I"m in the wait till he succeeds with something then say he is the messiah). The only person that deserves that praise in the last 10 years is Neil Warnock. He might be successful / He might not be successful no one knows , yes he has done alot of good so far but the dury is still out as it stands If he gets us in the Top 6 then i will describe that as successful if we fall short then unsuccessful. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 10, 2022 13:04:16 GMT
Beale shortlisted for manager of the month for October. Nov - not so much   |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 10, 2022 13:53:44 GMT
Wankers,
First he fat, then a mute, now he short
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Post by sparks on Nov 10, 2022 19:07:55 GMT
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Post by hubble on Nov 11, 2022 9:44:11 GMT
That interview makes me feel very positive about our long-term future with Mick.
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Post by sparks on Nov 11, 2022 10:45:47 GMT
I couldn’t give a monkeys if some want to to accuse me of overestimating what MB may achieve during his tenure, I’m just delighted he’s here and he gets this club.
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Post by awin on Nov 11, 2022 11:33:03 GMT
Nailing my colours to the post, I’m a fan.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 11, 2022 12:30:16 GMT
Nailing my colours to the post, I’m a fan. wycombes better, he a groupie |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 11, 2022 17:23:41 GMT
Yeah, I like him😁just wish he’d get out of his pram occasionally so fans can see some passion. Part of the game for me.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 12, 2022 17:00:51 GMT
Let's hope he learns from this one as he's learned fuck all from the four previous winless games.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 12, 2022 17:01:44 GMT
Let's hope he learns from this one as he's learned fuck all from the four previous winless games. He on thin ice |
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Post by Hitman34 on Nov 12, 2022 17:20:29 GMT
Let's hope he learns from this one as he's learned fuck all from the four previous winless games. to busy planning his future of managing manchester utd and barcalona. the fella needs to wake up and concentrate on the here and now. |
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Post by Bill on Nov 12, 2022 17:31:48 GMT
Let's hope he learns from this one as he's learned fuck all from the four previous winless games. He on thin ice He's in the water |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 12, 2022 17:45:09 GMT
We have five games before the January FA cup game. We must win two of those. We really do. If we fail, many fans will turn their backs on him. I can't promise I'm not one of them.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Nov 12, 2022 18:32:29 GMT
Beale needs to seriously re-group these players in the break as this is a woeful run with some fucking hard games coming up in December and the New Year.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 12, 2022 18:59:01 GMT
Beale needs to seriously re-group these players in the break as this is a woeful run with some fucking hard games coming up in December and the New Year. We'll probably get all our injured players back for Burnley but that doesn't remove our striker problem. |
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Post by The General on Nov 12, 2022 19:04:29 GMT
Rangers manager about to be sacked
Here we go again
He is there top candidate and he will fuck off
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 12, 2022 19:05:10 GMT
Beale needs to seriously re-group these players in the break as this is a woeful run with some fucking hard games coming up in December and the New Year. We'll probably get all our injured players back for Burnley but that doesn't remove our striker problem. At least we can try playing without him. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 12, 2022 19:07:46 GMT
Rangers manager about to be sacked Here we go again He is there top candidate and he will fuck off Let's just wait and see, but if he does go, he won't be true to his word. |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 12, 2022 19:07:47 GMT
I think what everyone has to remember is that if you have a squad as thin as ours is, any manager is going to struggle once you get a few injuries. So for example he's kind of forced to play Dykes or Armstrong if he can't start Richards or Roberts in a three.
If Man City can be outplayed by Brentford (and Fulham were unlucky against them), if you have a budget over the years of 0.5bn or whatever and still can't win the biggest prize in Europe with the talent, that tells you just how much any manager is going to struggle under our current regime.
You could put Klopp or Pep or Arteta or Eddie Howe or any of them in situ, I don't think it would make any difference. What is out there on the park on a Saturday at 3.00 is a direct consequence of the way club is run from the top. Regime change would make a difference, for better or worse.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 12, 2022 19:09:22 GMT
We don't have a thin squad. Six players injured, that's true.
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