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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 1, 2022 16:54:17 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 1, 2022 17:00:28 GMT
What I'm thinking mate. So difficult and usually pricey to land a proper centre forward. Much easier to pick up goal scoring wingers or number 10's. Beale is a good enough tactician to set up in a way with Willock or Roberts flanked with 2 wingers and make it work.
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 1, 2022 18:07:20 GMT
We’re no good in the air going forward so the false nine idea, or just keeping the ball on the ground - which is all it is, would work well. Most of our goals so far have come from that way of playing already.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 1, 2022 18:54:55 GMT
But if we play with a false 9 that means MB dropping Dykes, which he's shown no sign of doing so yet. Be interesting to see if he tries it, and who he plays in his stead...
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 1, 2022 18:56:43 GMT
Has to, otherwise it’s a waste of a shirt.
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 1, 2022 18:57:17 GMT
Roberts. If he stays fit enough.
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Post by Bill on Sept 1, 2022 19:15:15 GMT
false nine very ambitious
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 1, 2022 19:26:11 GMT
But great to watch if we can do it.
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Post by Shania on Sept 1, 2022 19:45:20 GMT
Looks like that`s the plan.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Sept 1, 2022 19:47:49 GMT
Dykes is a false striker so anything pos
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 1, 2022 19:49:12 GMT
Another consideration with the club as it is at the moment is playing the false 9 way is a cheap option. If it works out, win win.
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Post by hubble on Sept 1, 2022 20:02:04 GMT
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 1, 2022 20:08:49 GMT
But if we play with a false 9 that means MB dropping Dykes, which he's shown no sign of doing so yet. Be interesting to see if he tries it, and who he plays in his stead... Notice tonight Beale saying Roberts was signed to compete for the N9 shirt and how great it was he managed 30 mins midweek. Don't know if he is just trying to appease the fans but maybe we will start seeing Dykes and him rotating (with maybe Dykes starting to come on for Roberts if he stays fit)
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 1, 2022 20:26:48 GMT
We already have a false no9.
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Post by The General on Sept 1, 2022 21:16:39 GMT
Sounds like lack of funds to me
Obvious we need a No 9
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 27, 2022 12:42:23 GMT
Don't think we should hold our breathe for some game changing striker in Jan. The money isn't there. And even if there were a few bob, seems so difficult to find a regular goalscorer. Gayle looked a good signing but he hasn't scored for 20 games - way worse record than Dykes. Am well aware of Dykes' limitations but also I fear whoever we get will just disappoint and become the new boo boy. There's a really simple answer to this problem. Play without a 9. We actually did that for a while and played our best football this season. Problem is, for that you need all the talent available and injury free. That is what really fucked up Beale's stint: injuries. He had no option but to bring Dykes back, and as I've said elsewhere, the problem with him starts long before the ball gets anywhere near him.
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Post by Tarbie on Dec 27, 2022 14:23:13 GMT
Don't think we should hold our breathe for some game changing striker in Jan. The money isn't there. And even if there were a few bob, seems so difficult to find a regular goalscorer. Gayle looked a good signing but he hasn't scored for 20 games - way worse record than Dykes. Am well aware of Dykes' limitations but also I fear whoever we get will just disappoint and become the new boo boy. There's a really simple answer to this problem. Play without a 9. We actually did that for a while and played our best football this season. Problem is, for that you need all the talent available and injury free. That is what really fucked up Beale's stint: injuries. He had no option but to bring Dykes back, and as I've said elsewhere, the problem with him starts long before the ball gets anywhere near him. Tend to agree mate. I'd start Roberts against Luton and drop the Tartan Kangaroo to the bench.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Dec 27, 2022 19:09:02 GMT
I also agree about the no number 9 - but that said I remember when Roberts did stand in for Dykes as he a kind of false 9 he was even worse, really woeful, and showed zero effort. So no easy solutions.
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 27, 2022 21:27:24 GMT
I also agree about the no number 9 - but that said I remember when Roberts did stand in for Dykes as he a kind of false 9 he was even worse, really woeful, and showed zero effort. So no easy solutions. Hear you but what should be happening in that system is that the front three are interchangeable throughout. So sometimes its Roberts, sometimes one of the other two. I think there is a player in Roberts but agreed, he isn't the answer if you're looking for an out & out 9.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Dec 28, 2022 11:20:54 GMT
I also agree about the no number 9 - but that said I remember when Roberts did stand in for Dykes as he a kind of false 9 he was even worse, really woeful, and showed zero effort. So no easy solutions. Hear you but what should be happening in that system is that the front three are interchangeable throughout. So sometimes its Roberts, sometimes one of the other two. I think there is a player in Roberts but agreed, he isn't the answer if you're looking for an out & out 9. Yeah, fair comments. But considering we have considerable talent in our attacking midfield we don't seem able to do this. When does Willock, Chair, Amos, Uncle, Roberts etc run beyond the striker? They seem very static to me. I don't know whether this is because they have been told to stay in banks or whether its that they don't gamble enough. We don't have anyone of lightning pace which is also a factor in playing that system.
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Post by hubble on Dec 28, 2022 12:24:03 GMT
Waste of a shirt but we will be severely short of options if the donkey gets injured.
If Dykes is injured it could be a blessing, forcing the Critch to use a false 9. As Hal pointed out elsewhere, we played our best football this season without Dykes (Roberts replacing him). And what does Bonne offer? The sum total of fuck all.
If we could offload both and bring in a striker who can actually score goals, now that would be a real blessing!
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Post by hal9thou on Dec 28, 2022 13:44:53 GMT
Hear you but what should be happening in that system is that the front three are interchangeable throughout. So sometimes its Roberts, sometimes one of the other two. I think there is a player in Roberts but agreed, he isn't the answer if you're looking for an out & out 9. Yeah, fair comments. But considering we have considerable talent in our attacking midfield we don't seem able to do this. When does Willock, Chair, Amos, Uncle, Roberts etc run beyond the striker? They seem very static to me. I don't know whether this is because they have been told to stay in banks or whether its that they don't gamble enough. We don't have anyone of lightning pace which is also a factor in playing that system. I maybe wrong but I think what Beale was trying to do when Dykes was left out was to play a high line at the back so that the front three were not isolated and generally up the park. And interchanging. For me, we looked a different proposition then. Much harder for their defenders to pick up their man. It isn't perfect because you really need all the talent on the park at the same time and in a thinnish squad that isn't always going to happen. But given the current situation (no strikers) it has to be an option.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Dec 28, 2022 14:04:57 GMT
Yeah, fair comments. But considering we have considerable talent in our attacking midfield we don't seem able to do this. When does Willock, Chair, Amos, Uncle, Roberts etc run beyond the striker? They seem very static to me. I don't know whether this is because they have been told to stay in banks or whether its that they don't gamble enough. We don't have anyone of lightning pace which is also a factor in playing that system. I maybe wrong but I think what Beale was trying to do when Dykes was left out was to play a high line at the back so that the front three were not isolated and generally up the park. And interchanging. For me, we looked a different proposition then. Much harder for their defenders to pick up their man. It isn't perfect because you really need all the talent on the park at the same time and in a thinnish squad that isn't always going to happen. But given the current situation (no strikers) it has to be an option. Certainly in some matches, If only to keep the other manager guessing. Think it’s one of those systems that when it works, it’s beautiful - other days it is frustrating - how many times do we see half decent crosses into the box and no one is there, with or without Dykes in the team tbf. We just don’t seem positive enough a lot of the time. But then hey, easy to be an armchair coach so I’m probably talking bollocks
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Dec 28, 2022 14:21:18 GMT
Waste of a shirt but we will be severely short of options if the donkey gets injured.
If Dykes is injured it could be a blessing, forcing the Critch to use a false 9. As Hal pointed out elsewhere, we played our best football this season without Dykes (Roberts replacing him). And what does Bonne offer? The sum total of fuck all.
If we could offload both and bring in a striker who can actually score goals, now that would be a real blessing!
Problem is we are not going to get a fee for any of these players - think when Bonne almost went to Charlton it involved us paying off a significant part of his contract. So it’s an initial spend rather than income
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Post by Bill on Jan 1, 2023 13:49:45 GMT
We play with a false nine week in week out
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 1, 2023 13:51:18 GMT
Sounds like a lilo caught by immigration
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 11, 2023 18:51:19 GMT
The subbing of our only senior striker when we were desperate for a goal at home suggests our new manager has decided Dykes is not up to it.
The only conventional alternative is probably Kelman with Armstrong impact sub.
But if Kelman can't do it - and he's yet to score a senior goal for us - then the only option I see is playing a false 9.
Question: who would be the furthest forward in that formation (appreciate they would probably interchange a fair bit).
I am thinking:
Willock Chair - Richards - Smith
Field - Dixon-Bonner
Would rely on a moment of magic rather than bread and butter goals. But why try conventional crosses if you don't have a striker who will attack it?
For me we just need to be much more mobile, hence I would drop Coleback and Dozzell.
Next game I would probably try this with Kelman as a conventional 9 but just don't know if he will be bullied off the ball:
Kelman
Chair - Willock - Richards
Field - Dixon-Bonner
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 11, 2023 19:11:23 GMT
Got to try something
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 11, 2023 19:14:19 GMT
I’d tell Kelman you’ll be starting the next 5 games regardless.
Take your chance.
Armstrong is an impact player and not a starter and Kolli is a kid yet I’d still call on him for his energy and lack of fear before calling for the useless jock.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 11, 2023 19:21:52 GMT
We haven't seen anything good from Kelman so that is just wishful thinking.
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