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Post by acricketer on Sept 23, 2022 21:39:40 GMT
What a load of shit tonight. What a waste of time in November. Fucking useless overpaid maggots.
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Post by 2Loftus on Sept 23, 2022 22:43:21 GMT
No f***ing idea what this 'tournament' is about, and care even less...
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Post by Bill on Sept 23, 2022 22:44:50 GMT
No f***ing idea what this 'tournament' is about, and care even less... Southgate found wanting again,still a wanker |
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Post by sparks on Sept 24, 2022 6:01:19 GMT
In 1950 England were beaten by USA 0-1 in a FIFA World Cup group match and it was classed as the biggest upset in WC history, I’m expecting a similar result with dour Southgate in charge but I doubt if fans will be shocked.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 24, 2022 9:00:07 GMT
No f***ing idea what this 'tournament' is about Had to Google it myself lol: There, so now we know 😂 |
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Post by James1979 on Sept 24, 2022 9:30:31 GMT
How many club sides would want Southgate to replace their current manager? I think it would be a small list!
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 24, 2022 10:00:13 GMT
😂🤣🤡 Haven't watched an international tournament since the British Home Championship. I hope the World Cup is a bust.
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Post by Bill on Sept 24, 2022 11:53:31 GMT
No f***ing idea what this 'tournament' is about, and care even less... Still think Southgate is the man,2Loftus |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 24, 2022 12:27:51 GMT
Haven't watched an international tournament since the British Home Championship. Used to love watching those as a kid. Gerry Francis was captain of England too! |
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Post by hubble on Sept 24, 2022 19:33:28 GMT
Southgate, serial loser and bottler, with two relegations now England have been 'relegated' apparently. Never could stand the drone, someone elsewhere described him as beige. Was at that Euros final, couldn't believe what I was seeing; best chance of winning a major trophy ever and he blew it. Arguably best generation of players we've had and we have that nincompoop in charge.
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Post by West Acton on Sept 24, 2022 19:38:14 GMT
Think he’s taken some unfair stick. He’s not perfect but In Fairness to him he’s taken England further in two consecutive tournaments (3 if you include nations final) then bigger names before him who had better and bigger players.
Personally think WC will be his last big occasion in job but plenty talking him down unfairly When his record stands up against those who went before.
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Post by hubble on Sept 24, 2022 20:12:19 GMT
Think he’s taken some unfair stick. He’s not perfect but In Fairness to him he’s taken England further in two consecutive tournaments (3 if you include nations final) then bigger names before him who had better and bigger players. Personally think WC will be his last big occasion in job but plenty talking him down unfairly When his record stands up against those who went before. He was lucky in both tournaments. Lucky draws that gave England a relatively easy route both times and lucky with the crop of players at his disposal - and he's still unable to pick the right squad. His tactics are shit, I hope he goes after this sham of a world cup. |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 24, 2022 20:26:21 GMT
Can only beat who’s in front of you. Sure plenty other managers have had easy draws and flopped Iceland for example or not even qualified
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 24, 2022 20:48:08 GMT
Must be a Mickey Mouse tournament, cos Scotland are bossing it! 😂
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 24, 2022 21:16:07 GMT
Southgate, serial loser and bottler, with two relegations now England have been 'relegated' apparently. Never could stand the drone, someone elsewhere described him as beige. Was at that Euros final, couldn't believe what I was seeing; best chance of winning a major trophy ever and he blew it. Arguably best generation of players we've had and we have that nincompoop in charge. Couldn't agree more. He's an FA yes man otherwise he'd have been sacked. The Italy final was just a tactical nightmare, utterly clueless. Couldn't believe what I was seeing, even by his standards. Would last about five minutes in the prem. Given a choice between him and Mick at LR I'd honestly stick with what we have. Seriously. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 24, 2022 21:27:21 GMT
Of that there's no doubt. The Italy final was just a tactical nightmare, utterly clueless. Throughout the game, right down to the penalties, the tactical gulf between him and Mancini was huge. He was totally shown up over how to control and win a game of football. And the tragedy of it was England had the more talented players, but a much less talented manager! |
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Post by acricketer on Sept 24, 2022 21:48:17 GMT
He's got to go now!
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Post by Bill on Sept 24, 2022 21:48:33 GMT
Can only beat who’s in front of you. Sure plenty other managers have had easy draws and flopped Iceland for example or not even qualified Maybe but when he comes up in a crunch game he has been found wanting everytime,surely you can see that. |
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Post by Bill on Sept 24, 2022 21:50:07 GMT
How many club sides would want Southgate to replace their current manager? I think it would be a small list! None |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 25, 2022 7:09:17 GMT
Can only beat who’s in front of you. Sure plenty other managers have had easy draws and flopped Iceland for example or not even qualified Maybe but when he comes up in a crunch game he has been found wanting everytime,surely you can see that. don’t disagree Bill and I get the Criticism he’s getting but we have had many managers fail in crunch games. Think people forgetting how dire it was under Capello, McLaren and hodgson he’s above those by some distance. Not sure if they look abroad again next manager if they did poch would Maybe be a good fit and it would be interesting see Jose as international manager. |
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Post by sparks on Sept 25, 2022 8:07:13 GMT
If the FA and Southgate had been doing their job properly then the current England U21 manager should have been the natural successor but Lee Carsley was appointed.
As a stop gap I wouldn’t object to Wenger taking full control for the upcoming World Cup.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 25, 2022 8:28:23 GMT
Think people forgetting how dire it was under Capello, McLaren and hodgson he’s above those by some distance. Even without hindsight, all three of those were quite strange and uninspired appointments. Ticked the boxes without being the best men for the job at the time. I think that's been the main problem with England: The FA and its recruitment. The last good manager they picked was Venables. He was tactically excellent and actually had us playing as a team and got us to a semi-final. The only problem was they didn't keep him on, which should never have happened. He should have been allowed to stay on and could probably have got us some silverware. But he wasn't an FA yes man. Bobby Robson, second best manager we've had since Venables also got us to a semi-final. Again, even without hindsight you could have said that. |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 25, 2022 10:01:50 GMT
El Tel was superb but never got as far as Southgate in a home tournament with arguably better squad of players so does he surpass him?
Hoddle was starting do decent things but shot himself.
There’s a good separate thread and debate best recent England squads. Think for me there are three Euro 96, golden generation and current. Who was better?
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 25, 2022 10:50:16 GMT
Interesting points! I’d say Venables/96 best. What needs considering is the quality of opposition at the various times.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Sept 25, 2022 11:04:14 GMT
No interest in national side for probably 2 decades.
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 25, 2022 12:19:56 GMT
El Tel was superb but never got as far as Southgate in a home tournament with arguably better squad of players so does he surpass him? Yes he does, as England boss and elsewhere, notably Barcelona. Southgate is and always has been tactically poor, everyone knew that when he got the England job. He got it because he wasn't going to challenge the status quo. |
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 25, 2022 12:27:05 GMT
Interesting points! I’d say Venables/96 best. What needs considering is the quality of opposition at the various times. And the quality of players. We had the pace and ability to run the arse off that Italian back line and defensive m/f, which didn't even make Qatar. Instead we sat deep like we were Stoke and they were Roberto Carlos era Brazil. Arguably the greatest tactical abortion I've ever seen, all down to his mindset. |
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 25, 2022 13:29:56 GMT
If the FA and Southgate had been doing their job properly then the current England U21 manager should have been the natural successor but Lee Carsley was appointed. As a stop gap I wouldn’t object to Wenger taking full control for the upcoming World Cup. Not sure I buy that mate. What Manager capable of delivering World Cups or European Championship is going to be happy coming through the system as U21 Manager? Agree with the sentiments of many of here. Southgate is a very limited Manager who has been found wanting every time he's been seriously tested. He does the political side of the Managers job very well, but he's spineless and not brilliant tactically. I predict he goes after a mediocre showing at the World Cup. |
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Post by Bill on Sept 25, 2022 14:41:22 GMT
One of the largest problems with our national side is the FA.
Just a bunch of old farts who appoint yes men who have no spine.
That's why Clough never got the job.
The whole FA regime is antiquated and does not move with the times.
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 25, 2022 15:30:53 GMT
100% Bill. Being agreeable and squeaky clean in terms of reputation and behaviour is more important than winning anything for the FA I think.
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