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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 28, 2022 10:44:14 GMT
Problem QPR has now is it can't come out and roast the can't and then go and poach another in work manager. A transfer window that includes managers as well as players would solve that, as DK suggests? Pros are obvious. Discuss the cons, particularly if manager transfers were only allowed during the summer off season? |
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Post by Shania on Nov 28, 2022 10:48:41 GMT
No. Not in my opinion. Such a policy would make it almost impossible to plan for more than 6 months ahead.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 28, 2022 10:52:52 GMT
No. Not in my opinion. Such a policy would make it almost impossible to plan for more than 6 months ahead. What about if there was no winter window for manager transfers? Would that make a difference? |
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Post by coneysboots on Nov 28, 2022 10:58:33 GMT
Difference being is players aren't sacked, managers are. Imagine we had a shit manager, (not too difficult), and lost six games in a row in January, the window shuts do we, 1) carry on with him as we can't get a replacement, or 2) sack him and let the back room staff carry on.
Also would a sacked manager then be available for other jobs?
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Post by Shania on Nov 28, 2022 10:59:34 GMT
No. Not in my opinion. Such a policy would make it almost impossible to plan for more than 6 months ahead. What about if there was no winter window for manager transfers? Would that make a difference? Marginally. It would still be difficult to plan for the future. |
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 28, 2022 11:05:23 GMT
Wouldn't be workable, even if it was a good idea. You could just bring in someone new in a supposed different designation if things weren't working out with your Manager or Head Coach.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 28, 2022 11:06:01 GMT
Difference being is players aren't sacked, managers are. Imagine we had a shit manager, (not too difficult), and lost six games in a row in January, the window shuts do we, 1) carry on with him as we can't get a replacement, or 2) sack him and let the back room staff carry on. Also would a sacked manager then be available for other jobs? In that case have a manager's window that's only open during the summer. If the club need to make a change during the season then make a temporary appointment from the club's coaching staff. The other advantage is it would incentivise boardrooms to show more loyalty and you wouldn't get the crazy impulsive situations you have like at Watford for example. Be popular with the LMA too. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 28, 2022 11:12:31 GMT
Good point by Tarbs.
Would surely create more problems than it solves. in general.
Having one unhappy player at a club is bad enough but can be overcome to a degree.
Having the bloke in charge of the team suffering from the ‘fuck ems’
would be a major issue for everyone, from the owners down to the team.
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Post by hubble on Nov 28, 2022 11:16:42 GMT
Yes, there should be the same windows for managers - I've mooted this before. Things like what we're experiencing now can totally destabilise a club. If outside of these windows you have other problems with your manager, then you put them on gardening leave and appoint a caretaker from within. It would also make people like Beale think twice before signing a contract.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 28, 2022 11:17:10 GMT
Good point by Tarbs. Would surely create more problems than it solves. in general. Having one unhappy player at a club is bad enough but can be overcome to a degree. Having the bloke in charge of the team suffering from the ‘fuck ems’ would be a major issue for everyone, from the owners down to the team. But they can still be sacked Itso. The proposal doesn't rule that out. You would then appoint from within until the summer window, then appoint a new manager if need be. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Nov 28, 2022 11:18:33 GMT
Clubs would have a season of certainty and stop the Beale's of this world whoring themselves for other jobs
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 28, 2022 11:21:43 GMT
Yes, there should be the same windows for managers - I've mooted this before. Things like what we're experiencing now can totally destabilise a club. If outside of these windows you have other problems with your manager, then you put them on gardening leave and appoint a caretaker from within. It would also make people like Beale think twice before signing a contract.Agreed. And might also make clubs think twice before offering them. |
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 28, 2022 11:50:48 GMT
Good point by Tarbs. Would surely create more problems than it solves. in general. Having one unhappy player at a club is bad enough but can be overcome to a degree. Having the bloke in charge of the team suffering from the ‘fuck ems’ would be a major issue for everyone, from the owners down to the team. But they can still be sacked Itso. The proposal doesn't rule that out. You would then appoint from within until the summer window, then appoint a new manager if need be. So you gonna have rule that you can sack Managers and backroom staff, but can't bring any in? How about Director level hires at clubs? Would be so easy to hire someone as a DoF but have them secretly actually managing everything on the pitch from the Directors box. Also, what happens if a Manager is taken seriously ill or passes away? Does a club get a special dispensation to appoint someone new in those circumstances? This is idea has way too many holes in it to ever be seriously considered. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 28, 2022 12:11:22 GMT
So you gonna have rule that you can sack Managers and backroom staff, but can't bring any in? There'd be no incentive to sack backroom staff if they are the ones to take over until the summer window opens. what happens if a Manager is taken seriously ill or passes away? Does a club get a special dispensation to appoint someone new in those circumstances? Possibly. But not if it meant poaching from another club mid-season and fucking up their season and their stability in the process. So in your scenario for example, you could hire someone who's out of work, or as said, promote from within. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 28, 2022 12:28:51 GMT
I think u should only be able to hire out of work managers. Then they have to and u have to honour contract. Only death illness or prison should break contract. Teams would have to really do homework on staff then knowing they got for say 3 years.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 28, 2022 13:13:34 GMT
Good point by Tarbs. Would surely create more problems than it solves. in general. Having one unhappy player at a club is bad enough but can be overcome to a degree. Having the bloke in charge of the team suffering from the ‘fuck ems’ would be a major issue for everyone, from the owners down to the team. But they can still be sacked Itso. The proposal doesn't rule that out. You would then appoint from within until the summer window, then appoint a new manager if need be. [br Fair enough Stan but isn’t that in itself open to abuse. A manager hears he’s wanted by another club where the grass is greener. All he has to do is kick up at his current club and get sacked. Or are sacked managers not allowed to take up a position outside of the window. |
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Post by hubble on Nov 28, 2022 13:16:49 GMT
But they can still be sacked Itso. The proposal doesn't rule that out. You would then appoint from within until the summer window, then appoint a new manager if need be. [br Fair enough Stan but isn’t that in itself open to abuse. A manager hears he’s wanted by another club where the grass is greener. All he has to do is kick up at his current club and get sacked. Or are sacked managers not allowed to take up a position outside of the window.
No, there is an alternative, as I pointed out earlier: club puts manager on gardening leave and appoints a caretaker in the interim. As soon as the window opens, negotiations for a move can begin.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 28, 2022 14:08:27 GMT
[br Fair enough Stan but isn’t that in itself open to abuse. A manager hears he’s wanted by another club where the grass is greener. All he has to do is kick up at his current club and get sacked. Or are sacked managers not allowed to take up a position outside of the window.
No, there is an alternative, as I pointed out earlier: club puts manager on gardening leave and appoints a caretaker in the interim. As soon as the window opens, negotiations for a move can begin.
The clubs still left without their manager though Hubs, with the added negative of still paying the fucker. |
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Post by hubble on Nov 28, 2022 14:40:54 GMT
No, there is an alternative, as I pointed out earlier: club puts manager on gardening leave and appoints a caretaker in the interim. As soon as the window opens, negotiations for a move can begin.
The clubs still left without their manager though Hubs, with the added negative of still paying the fucker.
Yeah, but this is only in extreme situations mate, it doesn't happen that often, does it? And even if there wasn't an embargo, the same would apply - ie. still having to pay them.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 28, 2022 14:52:58 GMT
But they can still be sacked Itso. The proposal doesn't rule that out. You would then appoint from within until the summer window, then appoint a new manager if need be. Fair enough Stan but isn’t that in itself open to abuse. A manager hears he’s wanted by another club where the grass is greener. All he has to do is kick up at his current club and get sacked. Or are sacked managers not allowed to take up a position outside of the window. Itso, he'd be less incentivised to kick up in the knowledge that he'd be put on gardening leave for the rest of the season, or even the remainder of his contract in some circumstances, or the threat of it. Outside clubs would also be less incentivised to make such an approach in the knowledge that they'd have to wait until the next window opens before they can get their man, unlike immediately, in our current inferior system. No system is perfect and it's human nature to always seek out loopholes. However the present system still seems far more unfair than this proposed one. It all comes down to how best mitigate against the worst aspects of human nature and incentives. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 28, 2022 15:07:47 GMT
The clubs still left without their manager though Hubs, with the added negative of still paying the fucker.
Yeah, but this is only in extreme situations mate, it doesn't happen that often, does it? And even if there wasn't an embargo, the same would apply - ie. still having to pay them.
A club only pays them until they find another job. The current idea means a club would have to pay them until the new window opened. |
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Post by hubble on Nov 28, 2022 15:14:50 GMT
Yeah, but this is only in extreme situations mate, it doesn't happen that often, does it? And even if there wasn't an embargo, the same would apply - ie. still having to pay them.
A club only pays them until they find another job. The current idea means a club would have to pay them until the new window opened.
Yes, and it's highly unlikely that that would be a long time, and you have no idea how long it would take the manager to find a new job anyway. Boy you're an argumentative so and so Itso 
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 28, 2022 16:27:38 GMT
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 28, 2022 16:59:21 GMT
A club only pays them until they find another job. The current idea means a club would have to pay them until the new window opened.
Yes, and it's highly unlikely that that would be a long time, and you have no idea how long it would take the manager to find a new job anyway. Boy you're an argumentative so and so Itso
It’s the phase of the moon mate, like clockwork I am🤣 Ok, I concede to Stan and your good self, maybe it’s better than the current model after all. He says through gritted teeth… |
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Post by hubble on Nov 28, 2022 17:11:34 GMT
Yes, and it's highly unlikely that that would be a long time, and you have no idea how long it would take the manager to find a new job anyway. Boy you're an argumentative so and so Itso
It’s the phase of the moon mate, like clockwork I am🤣 Ok, I concede to Stan and your good self, maybe it’s better than the current model after all. He says through gritted teeth… Hahahaha, good on yer Itso!
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 28, 2022 17:16:21 GMT
Well this is a rarity. I think me and Itso are in agreement on this subject! 😂
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Post by itsonlyagame on Nov 28, 2022 17:26:45 GMT
Well this is a rarity. I think me and Itso are in agreement on this subject! 😂 I thought you were against it Tarbs, have Stan and Hubs ground you down too😆 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 28, 2022 23:11:59 GMT
Yes, and it's highly unlikely that that would be a long time, and you have no idea how long it would take the manager to find a new job anyway. Boy you're an argumentative so and so Itso It’s the phase of the moon mate, like clockwork I am🤣 Ok, I concede to Stan and your good self, maybe it’s better than the current model after all. He says through gritted teeth… Intelligent man like you Itso, I knew you'd see reason eventually 😉 |
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