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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 9:21:40 GMT
And before that the likes of Beard, Harry, ,Hughes super agent Joriabum, Ramsey and Holloway as managers. How many times can you keep making such bad decisions. what makes anyone think that they will change, is it just hope? Ramsey and Holloway was when Les was DOF. Would you sit and watch your house going up in flames.
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 18, 2023 9:21:53 GMT
They thought they’d learnt their lesson when they brought Les in to stop the madness - fair play - but they need to learn another one now, and quickly. He hasn’t worked out long term. Hoos plods along showing no initiative and the technical/coaching side isn’t delivering.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 18, 2023 9:28:43 GMT
Some good points from James
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Post by James1979 on Feb 18, 2023 9:30:53 GMT
Ramsey and Holloway was when Les was DOF. Would you sit and watch your house going up in flames. Not sure how to respond to the analogy but if id received dogs abuse for years for getting too involved and I then appoint a football CEO and DOF and then take a back seat. I would certainly think twice. Especially as one appointment is a club legend and both have until very recently been popular amongst fans.
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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 9:42:30 GMT
Would you sit and watch your house going up in flames. Not sure how to respond to the analogy but if id received dogs abuse for years for getting too involved and I then appoint a football CEO and DOF and then take a back seat. I would certainly think twice. Especially as one appointment is a club legend and both have until very recently been popular amongst fans. Did you listen to owners Personable video James. Did you hear about his involvement with LA FC and what he said about his involvement.He’s more than happy to be back seat. At some stage he needs to get a grip of this club but I honestly think it don’t mean as much to him as every single person on here, it’s his bit of fun.
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 18, 2023 11:19:21 GMT
The only thing that will change this club's fortunes is regime change. It really is that simple. Of course there is risk, but you can always find reasons for doing nothing. absolutely. Not just bitching on a forum like most of us. So to be clear, you think new owners is the answer? Find it unbelievable. It’s Les and Hoos that are the issue. Hoos is simply the mouthpiece who runs the day to day, Les is in charge of football matters..... christ.... appointed by the board. What on earth makes you think they suddenly going to get appointments right? What happened at Brentford was that a new owner did take sensible policy decisions, we're a small club and need someone who is going to restructure the approach. Fingers crossed.
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Post by James1979 on Feb 18, 2023 11:29:55 GMT
So to be clear, you think new owners is the answer? Find it unbelievable. It’s Les and Hoos that are the issue. Hoos is simply the mouthpiece who runs the day to day, Les is in charge of football matters..... christ.... appointed by the board. What on earth makes you think they suddenly going to get appointments right? What happened at Brentford was that a new owner did take sensible policy decisions, we're a small club and need someone who is going to restructure the approach. Fingers crossed. And that is down to a good CEO and DOF. Nothing to do with the board. You want a board who will pay for our losses and make football decisions……not a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2023 11:31:28 GMT
get rid of DOF
make the head coach a manager
job done
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 18, 2023 11:42:58 GMT
Ramsey and Holloway was when Les was DOF. Would you sit and watch your house going up in flames. If my family in it, hmmmmm
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 18, 2023 12:51:33 GMT
Hoos is simply the mouthpiece who runs the day to day, Les is in charge of football matters..... christ.... appointed by the board. What on earth makes you think they suddenly going to get appointments right? What happened at Brentford was that a new owner did take sensible policy decisions, we're a small club and need someone who is going to restructure the approach. Fingers crossed. And that is down to a good CEO and DOF. Nothing to do with the board. You want a board who will pay for our losses and make football decisions……not a chance. But they're appointed by..... the board. Which unfortunately destroys the arguments of those who think changing Les & Hoos will sort everything out. They'll just make poor appointments, again. Also, making sensible football decisions has actually made money for fucking Brentford and Fulham. Plus QPR are one of the very few EFL clubs that are potentially salvagable, financially. I'm sure Uncle genuinely loves QPR but Holdings in their current incarnation are done, finished. Be interesting to see if Reilly ups his stake.
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Post by jfrabbit on Feb 18, 2023 12:58:33 GMT
I’m in total agreement with Hal.These owners have made huge mistakes and will continue to do so because they are so naive in everything involving football matters, Watching and listening to the owners Personable video its not difficult to understand why so many football agents have taken full advantage of his wealth. So employ better ‘football people’. Literally that. It’s really not difficult to work out is it?
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Post by James1979 on Feb 18, 2023 14:28:37 GMT
And that is down to a good CEO and DOF. Nothing to do with the board. You want a board who will pay for our losses and make football decisions……not a chance. But they're appointed by..... the board. Which unfortunately destroys the arguments of those who think changing Les & Hoos will sort everything out. They'll just make poor appointments, again. Also, making sensible football decisions has actually made money for fucking Brentford and Fulham. Plus QPR are one of the very few EFL clubs that are potentially salvagable, financially. I'm sure Uncle genuinely loves QPR but Holdings in their current incarnation are done, finished. Be interesting to see if Reilly ups his stake. Hoos will be on the board. If you replace Ferdinand and Hoos with good people, they will make the decisions not the owners.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2023 14:39:54 GMT
But they're appointed by..... the board. Which unfortunately destroys the arguments of those who think changing Les & Hoos will sort everything out. They'll just make poor appointments, again. Also, making sensible football decisions has actually made money for fucking Brentford and Fulham. Plus QPR are one of the very few EFL clubs that are potentially salvagable, financially. I'm sure Uncle genuinely loves QPR but Holdings in their current incarnation are done, finished. Be interesting to see if Reilly ups his stake. Hoos will be on the board. If you replace Ferdinand and Hoos with good people, they will make the decisions not the owners. James, the point being made is the board don't seem capable of ever recruiting the right people, based on 12 years of failure and mismanagement. You can rightly criticise the CEO and DOF but it's the board that are hiring these people to begin with. So their failed track record in that respect is where the questions are being asked. In a nutshell their recruitment has been a disaster. Therefore to trust these same people to bring in a replacement CEO and DOF has to be called in to question. And besides all that, Hoos and Les appear to be untouchable after 8 years of failure, so it would appear the board aren't even making them accountable for that, which too has to be questioned why.
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Post by James1979 on Feb 18, 2023 17:24:03 GMT
Hoos will be on the board. If you replace Ferdinand and Hoos with good people, they will make the decisions not the owners. James, the point being made is the board don't seem capable of ever recruiting the right people, based on 12 years of failure and mismanagement. You can rightly criticise the CEO and DOF but it's the board that are hiring these people to begin with. So their failed track record in that respect is where the questions are being asked. In a nutshell their recruitment has been a disaster. Therefore to trust these same people to bring in a replacement CEO and DOF has to be called in to question. And besides all that, Hoos and Les appear to be untouchable after 8 years of failure, so it would appear the board aren't even making them accountable for that, which too has to be questioned why. But Stan, it’s only been relatively recently that fans seem to be turning against DOF and Hoos. For minority (such as me and few on here), we were criticised for even questioning the job these 2 clowns have done to us. So as an owner, especially given their history, it was very difficult to replace them as majority of fans would have gone mad. What the chuckle brothers have done brilliantly is make majority of fans and the owners have no ambition or hope. They’ve made us accept mediocrity.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2023 17:40:34 GMT
James, the point being made is the board don't seem capable of ever recruiting the right people, based on 12 years of failure and mismanagement. You can rightly criticise the CEO and DOF but it's the board that are hiring these people to begin with. So their failed track record in that respect is where the questions are being asked. In a nutshell their recruitment has been a disaster. Therefore to trust these same people to bring in a replacement CEO and DOF has to be called in to question. And besides all that, Hoos and Les appear to be untouchable after 8 years of failure, so it would appear the board aren't even making them accountable for that, which too has to be questioned why. But Stan, it’s only been relatively recently that fans seem to be turning against DOF and Hoos. For minority (such as me and few on here), we were criticised for even questioning the job these 2 clowns have done to us. James, I genuinely question if it was a minority. This disquiet has been going on for years. At least that's been my impression. What the chuckle brothers have done brilliantly is make majority of fans and the owners have no ambition or hope. They’ve made us accept mediocrity. Yes, they have at least tried to do that. Many have seen through all that spin and facade for a long time though. I agree a lot more are finally coming round to it more recently though. I've chatted in depth with Clive W on the subject and even he believes the owners are incompetent and haven't a clue what they're doing.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 18, 2023 17:42:54 GMT
We need this energy
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Post by James1979 on Feb 18, 2023 17:47:45 GMT
But Stan, it’s only been relatively recently that fans seem to be turning against DOF and Hoos. For minority (such as me and few on here), we were criticised for even questioning the job these 2 clowns have done to us. James, I genuinely question if it was a minority. This disquiet has been going on for years. At least that's been my impression. What the chuckle brothers have done brilliantly is make majority of fans and the owners have no ambition or hope. They’ve made us accept mediocrity. Yes, they have at least tried to do that. Many have seen through all that spin and facade for a long time though. I agree a lot more are finally coming round to it more recently though. I've chatted in depth with Clive W on the subject and even he believes the owners are incompetent and haven't a clue what they're doing. Clive W is or certainly was very pro Hoos and also to a lesser extent Les. He does seem to be changing and he’s pretty balanced I think.
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Post by James1979 on Feb 18, 2023 17:48:17 GMT
As if most of our squad would be quick enough to catch the ref.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 18, 2023 17:54:38 GMT
They was women! Fuck off, all was called moboboo b4 transitioning
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 18, 2023 17:58:00 GMT
James, the point being made is the board don't seem capable of ever recruiting the right people, based on 12 years of failure and mismanagement. You can rightly criticise the CEO and DOF but it's the board that are hiring these people to begin with. So their failed track record in that respect is where the questions are being asked. In a nutshell their recruitment has been a disaster. Therefore to trust these same people to bring in a replacement CEO and DOF has to be called in to question. And besides all that, Hoos and Les appear to be untouchable after 8 years of failure, so it would appear the board aren't even making them accountable for that, which too has to be questioned why. But Stan, it’s only been relatively recently that fans seem to be turning against DOF and Hoos. For minority (such as me and few on here), we were criticised for even questioning the job these 2 clowns have done to us. So as an owner, especially given their history, it was very difficult to replace them as majority of fans would have gone mad. What the chuckle brothers have done brilliantly is make majority of fans and the owners have no ambition or hope. They’ve made us accept mediocrity. It must be said that Lee Hoos mantra is to run a business on the premise of "worst case senario" He has stated this on countless fans forums.
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Post by James1979 on Feb 18, 2023 18:02:05 GMT
But Stan, it’s only been relatively recently that fans seem to be turning against DOF and Hoos. For minority (such as me and few on here), we were criticised for even questioning the job these 2 clowns have done to us. So as an owner, especially given their history, it was very difficult to replace them as majority of fans would have gone mad. What the chuckle brothers have done brilliantly is make majority of fans and the owners have no ambition or hope. They’ve made us accept mediocrity. It must be said that Lee Hoos mantra is to run a business on the premise of "worst case senario" He has stated this on countless fans forums. I find him unbelievably arrogant personally.
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Post by 1973ranger on Feb 18, 2023 18:07:55 GMT
But Stan, it’s only been relatively recently that fans seem to be turning against DOF and Hoos. For minority (such as me and few on here), we were criticised for even questioning the job these 2 clowns have done to us. So as an owner, especially given their history, it was very difficult to replace them as majority of fans would have gone mad. What the chuckle brothers have done brilliantly is make majority of fans and the owners have no ambition or hope. They’ve made us accept mediocrity. It must be said that Lee Hoos mantra is to run a business on the premise of "worst case senario" He has stated this on countless fans forums. Lee Hoos is a shitbag of the highest order.
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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 19:14:03 GMT
Honest question, although I dislike Hoos (his attitude speaking to fans is disgraceful) as long as he’s been doing his real job of keeping us clear of FFP why is it necessary for him go?
I realise some have been saying he’s failing on being pro active on trying to bring in new fans, what else is he failing at?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 18, 2023 19:17:52 GMT
His job is to do with finance etc of club,not kiss babies. That's what mascots for
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2023 19:34:20 GMT
Honest question, although I dislike Hoos (his attitude speaking to fans is disgraceful) as long as he’s been doing his real job of keeping us clear of FFP why is it necessary for him go? I realise some have been saying he’s failing on being pro active on trying to bring in new fans, what else is he failing at? What else? That's already a pretty big one Sparks. The marketing of the club since he's been in situ has been a disaster. If you're in the Fulham or Brentford area you can't fail to be reminded there's a football club there. The same cannot be said when you're in the bush, westfield et environs. And it's not as if it would need a hugely expensive marketing campaign. And why has the fact we're the only West London club (postcode) not been exploited. Again a colossal marketing own-goal.
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Post by 1973ranger on Feb 18, 2023 19:41:19 GMT
Honest question, although I dislike Hoos (his attitude speaking to fans is disgraceful) as long as he’s been doing his real job of keeping us clear of FFP why is it necessary for him go? I realise some have been saying he’s failing on being pro active on trying to bring in new fans, what else is he failing at? What else? That's already a pretty big one Sparks. The marketing of the club since he's been in situ has been a disaster. If you're in the Fulham or Brentford area you can't fail to be reminded there's a football club there. The same cannot be said when you're in the bush, westfield et environs. And it's not as if it would need a hugely expensive marketing campaign. And why has the fact we're the only West London club (postcode) not been exploited. Again a colossal marketing own-goal. May well have penny pinched us for 8 years but generated sod all in sponsorship in that time.
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 18, 2023 19:44:20 GMT
Honest question, although I dislike Hoos (his attitude speaking to fans is disgraceful) as long as he’s been doing his real job of keeping us clear of FFP why is it necessary for him go? I realise some have been saying he’s failing on being pro active on trying to bring in new fans, what else is he failing at? Does rather depend on what his remit actually is but let’s assume he’s a proper CEO. He isn’t raising the profile of the club in any direction, just happy to tread water and preserve status quo. He should be recognising that DOF is failing and do something about it, not keep the cosy relationship going. That smacks of not wanting anyone better in case it shows him up or makes work for him (I’ve been there). He should be setting out a vision for the future not putting us all in promiseland about a stadium. He should have a clear direction and communicate it not waffle his way through fan meetings as though we’re all stupid. He should be a motivator - definitely isn’t that. If he’s just a patsy for the board that’s another salary we could save.
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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 19:50:22 GMT
Honest question, although I dislike Hoos (his attitude speaking to fans is disgraceful) as long as he’s been doing his real job of keeping us clear of FFP why is it necessary for him go? I realise some have been saying he’s failing on being pro active on trying to bring in new fans, what else is he failing at? What else? That's already a pretty big one Sparks. The marketing of the club since he's been in situ has been a disaster. If you're in the Fulham or Brentford area you can't fail to be reminded there's a football club there. The same cannot be said when you're in the bush, westfield et environs. And it's not as if it would need a hugely expensive marketing campaign. And why has the fact we're the only West London club (postcode) not been exploited. Again a colossal marketing own-goal. What type of marketing would be beneficial with us being in W12 Stan, I’m clueless to what that actually means.
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Post by 1973ranger on Feb 18, 2023 19:54:50 GMT
Chelsea,Fulham and Brentford all claim to be West London teams but none have a W postcode. We are the only club with one and could and should be marketed in such a way
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Post by 1qprdk on Feb 18, 2023 19:56:54 GMT
Hoos arrogant attitude probably not helping secure a plot for a new stadium either.
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