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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 20:02:59 GMT
Honest question, although I dislike Hoos (his attitude speaking to fans is disgraceful) as long as he’s been doing his real job of keeping us clear of FFP why is it necessary for him go? I realise some have been saying he’s failing on being pro active on trying to bring in new fans, what else is he failing at? Does rather depend on what his remit actually is but let’s assume he’s a proper CEO. He isn’t raising the profile of the club in any direction, just happy to tread water and preserve status quo. He should be recognising that DOF is failing and do something about it, not keep the cosy relationship going. That smacks of not wanting anyone better in case it shows him up or makes work for him (I’ve been there). He should be setting out a vision for the future not putting us all in promiseland about a stadium. He should have a clear direction and communicate it not waffle his way through fan meetings as though we’re all stupid. He should be a motivator - definitely isn’t that. If he’s just a patsy for the board that’s another salary we could save. Like you say Alan perhaps if he was a football man maybe he would make waves and expose Ferdinand failings.Easy for me to say but if the owner knew what he was doing why would he not realise Hoos is not a good CEO.Owner definitely strikes me as being born with silver spoon and not a drivern astute business man. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 18, 2023 21:06:26 GMT
What else? That's already a pretty big one Sparks. The marketing of the club since he's been in situ has been a disaster. If you're in the Fulham or Brentford area you can't fail to be reminded there's a football club there. The same cannot be said when you're in the bush, westfield et environs. And it's not as if it would need a hugely expensive marketing campaign. And why has the fact we're the only West London club (postcode) not been exploited. Again a colossal marketing own-goal. What type of marketing would be beneficial with us being in W12 Stan, I’m clueless to what that actually means. there's publicity to be gained from it in the form of funny meme's. burnley's twitter is the talk of the town atm because they hired a new guy to run their twitter and its been pretty funny ever since. there's a lot of material there to work with us being the only real west london club. just little things like that can create a lot of publicity on social media like reddit for example. |
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Post by James1979 on Feb 18, 2023 22:03:24 GMT
Honest question, although I dislike Hoos (his attitude speaking to fans is disgraceful) as long as he’s been doing his real job of keeping us clear of FFP why is it necessary for him go? I realise some have been saying he’s failing on being pro active on trying to bring in new fans, what else is he failing at? So his biggest plus is he can budget properly so we don’t spend more than 39m in 3 years? Give the man a raise! We’ve got the best CEO of all time here! I think you’ve answered the question yourself. That is all he’s done and pretty much all he talks about. We’ve regressed since him and Les took over. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2023 22:17:02 GMT
What else? That's already a pretty big one Sparks. The marketing of the club since he's been in situ has been a disaster. If you're in the Fulham or Brentford area you can't fail to be reminded there's a football club there. The same cannot be said when you're in the bush, westfield et environs. And it's not as if it would need a hugely expensive marketing campaign. And why has the fact we're the only West London club (postcode) not been exploited. Again a colossal marketing own-goal. What type of marketing would be beneficial with us being in W12 Stan, I’m clueless to what that actually means. The fact that QPR are the only truly West London club. From a marketing perspective that is a massive oversight by the club. Countless possibilities there that have gone unexploited. |
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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 22:24:40 GMT
Honest question, although I dislike Hoos (his attitude speaking to fans is disgraceful) as long as he’s been doing his real job of keeping us clear of FFP why is it necessary for him go? I realise some have been saying he’s failing on being pro active on trying to bring in new fans, what else is he failing at? So his biggest plus is he can budget properly so we don’t spend more than 39m in 3 years? Give the man a raise! We’ve got the best CEO of all time here! I think you’ve answered the question yourself. That is all he’s done and pretty much all he talks about. We’ve regressed since him and Les took over. I have only looked at Hoos as someone that kept us clear of FFP. As Alan has stated we don’t know his remit as being a proper CEO and all the responsibilities that go with it. As far as I’m concerned it’s a shame he wasn’t here when our inept owners spunked a quarter of a billion on playing Charlie big bollocks. I certainly don’t feel it’s correct to shift all the blame on 2 employees if the owner don’t know his arse from his face where his own business is concerned. |
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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 22:27:07 GMT
What type of marketing would be beneficial with us being in W12 Stan, I’m clueless to what that actually means. The fact that QPR are the only truly West London club. From a marketing perspective that is a massive oversight by the club. Countless possibilities there that have gone unexploited. Still means nothing to me if I’m being perfectly honest Stan |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2023 22:34:36 GMT
The fact that QPR are the only truly West London club. From a marketing perspective that is a massive oversight by the club. Countless possibilities there that have gone unexploited. Still means nothing to me if I’m being perfectly honest Stan Perhaps that's because we're not marketing experts Sparks. That's not to say untapped potential can't be seen. In addition, 73 and Corbs answered earlier too: Chelsea,Fulham and Brentford all claim to be West London teams but none have a W postcode. We are the only club with one and could and should be marketed in such a way there's publicity to be gained from it in the form of funny meme's. burnley's twitter is the talk of the town atm because they hired a new guy to run their twitter and its been pretty funny ever since. there's a lot of material there to work with us being the only real west london club. just little things like that can create a lot of publicity on social media like reddit for example. |
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Post by James1979 on Feb 18, 2023 22:37:10 GMT
So his biggest plus is he can budget properly so we don’t spend more than 39m in 3 years? Give the man a raise! We’ve got the best CEO of all time here! I think you’ve answered the question yourself. That is all he’s done and pretty much all he talks about. We’ve regressed since him and Les took over. I have only looked at Hoos as someone that kept us clear of FFP. As Alan has stated we don’t know his remit as being a proper CEO and all the responsibilities that go with it. As far as I’m concerned it’s a shame he wasn’t here when our inept owners spunked a quarter of a billion on playing Charlie big bollocks. I certainly don’t feel it’s correct to shift all the blame on 2 employees if the owner don’t know his arse from his face where his own business is concerned. Keeping us within FFP is just good budgeting and down to the Finance Director in my view. We need more than that from the CEO. The owners are just shareholders, they don’t run the company/qpr. It’s mainly down to CEO and DOF. Anyway, not sure we will convince each other of our different views on this. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2023 22:41:45 GMT
Btw I do agree with your comments about Gnanalingam, Sparks.
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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 22:53:51 GMT
I understand what both 73 and Corbray have said but in real terms it means next to nothing.
Publicity doesn’t necessarily guarantee to bring in something concrete like a decent amount of revenue, so find it hard to beat him with a stick over it.if you said we’ve missed out a lucrative stadium sponsorship deal I would understand.
As regards funny memes that Corbray describes then perhaps I’m the wrong age and don’t see the point.As you know I’m more annoyed the clubs coverage of our U21 team sheets are a shambles on Twitter.
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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 22:58:26 GMT
I have only looked at Hoos as someone that kept us clear of FFP. As Alan has stated we don’t know his remit as being a proper CEO and all the responsibilities that go with it. As far as I’m concerned it’s a shame he wasn’t here when our inept owners spunked a quarter of a billion on playing Charlie big bollocks. I certainly don’t feel it’s correct to shift all the blame on 2 employees if the owner don’t know his arse from his face where his own business is concerned. Keeping us within FFP is just good budgeting and down to the Finance Director in my view. We need more than that from the CEO. The owners are just shareholders, they don’t run the company/qpr. It’s mainly down to CEO and DOF. Anyway, not sure we will convince each other of our different views on this. Maybe I’m stupid but being the major shareholder by a huge margin makes Gangoolie the man who dictates what decisions are made in regard to appointing high level board members? |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 18, 2023 23:06:02 GMT
I understand what both 73 and Corbray have said but in real terms it means next to nothing. Publicity doesn’t necessarily guarantee to bring in something concrete like a decent amount of revenue, so find it hard to beat him with a stick over it.if you said we’ve missed out a lucrative stadium sponsorship deal I would understand. As regards funny memes that Corbray describes then perhaps I’m the wrong age and don’t see the point.As you know I’m more annoyed the clubs coverage of our U21 team sheets are a shambles on Twitter. its about the public image of the club and putting our name out there. if we as a club have a wider reach and a bigger voice in our local area/online then that will bring in more lucrative sponsorships. we might even get more tourism and shirt sales than we do now. |
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 18, 2023 23:21:59 GMT
James, the point being made is the board don't seem capable of ever recruiting the right people, based on 12 years of failure and mismanagement. You can rightly criticise the CEO and DOF but it's the board that are hiring these people to begin with. So their failed track record in that respect is where the questions are being asked. In a nutshell their recruitment has been a disaster. Therefore to trust these same people to bring in a replacement CEO and DOF has to be called in to question. And besides all that, Hoos and Les appear to be untouchable after 8 years of failure, so it would appear the board aren't even making them accountable for that, which too has to be questioned why. But Stan, it’s only been relatively recently that fans seem to be turning against DOF and Hoos. I said Les was a mistake from day one. He had absolutely zilch experience. I always saw Hoos simply as Uncle's mouthpiece and the board's spin doctor. None of which is relatively recent. |
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Post by sparks on Feb 18, 2023 23:25:20 GMT
I understand what both 73 and Corbray have said but in real terms it means next to nothing. Publicity doesn’t necessarily guarantee to bring in something concrete like a decent amount of revenue, so find it hard to beat him with a stick over it.if you said we’ve missed out a lucrative stadium sponsorship deal I would understand. As regards funny memes that Corbray describes then perhaps I’m the wrong age and don’t see the point.As you know I’m more annoyed the clubs coverage of our U21 team sheets are a shambles on Twitter. its about the public image of the club and putting our name out there. if we as a club have a wider reach and a bigger voice in our local area/online then that will bring in more lucrative sponsorships. we might even get more tourism and shirt sales than we do now. I could understand all that Corbray if we had a decent ground to visit, an attractive team to watch , being in the Premiership, but we’re not. The only people that are keen to sponsor our club are local and rumoured to be long time supporters. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 18, 2023 23:42:24 GMT
its about the public image of the club and putting our name out there. if we as a club have a wider reach and a bigger voice in our local area/online then that will bring in more lucrative sponsorships. we might even get more tourism and shirt sales than we do now. I could understand all that Corbray if we had a decent ground to visit, an attractive team to watch , being in the Premiership, but we’re not. But they've not done it even when we've had attractive teams, and even in our promotion season and seasons in the Prem. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 19, 2023 0:00:32 GMT
its about the public image of the club and putting our name out there. if we as a club have a wider reach and a bigger voice in our local area/online then that will bring in more lucrative sponsorships. we might even get more tourism and shirt sales than we do now. I could understand all that Corbray if we had a decent ground to visit, an attractive team to watch , being in the Premiership, but we’re not. The only people that are keen to sponsor our club are local and rumoured to be long time supporters. what we're doing now isn't working and is just causing a gradual decline of the club so we have to mix it up and try imaginative things to build the clubs reputation up as right now we're not in a great place. we need to change our image to appeal to a wider market imo. yes loftus road isn't the best stadium, lets be honest it's actually quite shit but its an oldschool stadium and due to the layout it can have an amazing atmosphere at times. the supporter growth and long term marketing is something that does concern me at times as its the lifeblood of any football club. |
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Post by sparks on Feb 19, 2023 0:04:36 GMT
I could understand all that Corbray if we had a decent ground to visit, an attractive team to watch , being in the Premiership, but we’re not. But they've not done it even when we've had attractive teams, and even in our promotion season and seasons in the Prem. FWIW my feelings towards him being axed are neither here or there , my only worry will the next one be any better. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Feb 19, 2023 4:27:30 GMT
Go back to when our previous owners came in and how they raised our profile with sponsorship deals. It can be done if you have people wanting to do it but Hoos has done sod all on that front.
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 19, 2023 7:38:41 GMT
What about exploring some sort of association with a club abroad? Doesn’t have to be ‘Juventus’, I’m sure there are some smaller clubs around who would like to share players, scouting, training methods - I bet Shania could suggest a few even! Who knows, we may learn something, like how to look after players and treat injuries.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 19, 2023 7:47:10 GMT
What type of marketing would be beneficial with us being in W12 Stan, I’m clueless to what that actually means. The fact that QPR are the only truly West London club. From a marketing perspective that is a massive oversight by the club. Countless possibilities there that have gone unexploited. I hear this being said a lot but if we’re honest what difference does it make?? So we market ourselves as only team in West London and what? Cant see anyone seeing advert in paper seeing were only club in West London and thinking yes I know what I’m doing I’m going down QPR today. It’s a gimmick and nothing else cannot see it enticing anyone through the gate if that’s its intention. What will get people in is attractive winning football and good vibe about the club. Fulham market themselves as oldest club in London who gives a fuck. We most definitely should be doing more outreach in schools and Sunday league football clubs now I could see benefits of that and school holidays we should be all over the local parks doing training sessions etc |
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Post by West Acton on Feb 19, 2023 7:52:24 GMT
This would never sit comfortably with me but society has changed mostly due to social media outlets etc.
If club were smart they would tap into some celeb tik tokers and get them doing stuff about club as that will drive attention. As said it’s not my cup of tea and won’t be what old timers want but times have changed. Days of next generation of fans coming from my dad supported them has gone.
You need build little bit of cult around club and different avenues of social media unfortunately would do that.
This might be wrong thread for this suggestion.
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Post by 1973ranger on Feb 19, 2023 8:09:35 GMT
At the end of tha day the question should be is Hoos and his team doing all they can to increase much needed revenue? Find it very strange that he continually rolls out we are skint and the owners pump this that and the other every month while doing fuck all to help the situation. Number cruncher is all that bloke is and him and Ferdinand are on a right good number
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Post by James1979 on Feb 19, 2023 8:24:30 GMT
I’m not sure marketing would make such a big difference. We need some good players and cup run to inspire next set of fans. Main issue is spending so much on a youth set up that is pretty rubbish and competes with Cat A academies in area.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 19, 2023 8:31:45 GMT
What about exploring some sort of association with a club abroad? Doesn’t have to be ‘Juventus’, I’m sure there are some smaller clubs around who would like to share players, scouting, training methods - I bet Shania could suggest a few even! Who knows, we may learn something, like how to look after players and treat injuries. I said similar the other week, fed up being just spurs z team |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 19, 2023 10:11:07 GMT
The fact that QPR are the only truly West London club. From a marketing perspective that is a massive oversight by the club. Countless possibilities there that have gone unexploited. I hear this being said a lot but if we’re honest what difference does it make?? So we market ourselves as only team in West London and what? Cant see anyone seeing advert in paper seeing were only club in West London and thinking yes I know what I’m doing I’m going down QPR today. It’s a gimmick and nothing else cannot see it enticing anyone through the gate if that’s its intention. What will get people in is attractive winning football and good vibe about the club. Fulham market themselves as oldest club in London who gives a fuck. We most definitely should be doing more outreach in schools and Sunday league football clubs now I could see benefits of that and school holidays we should be all over the local parks doing training sessions etc Yes of course the west London club thing would be a gimmick but that's the point. That's what skilled marketing is built on. As I said, now isn't the time whilst we're not an attractive proposition on the pitch. The time to do it was when we were, of which there have been several times over the last 12 years. Agree with all your other suggestions too. Some good ideas there. Bottom line is the club under Hoos have done SFA in this area however. So it's just further examples of missed opportunities on How To Be A Well Run Club 101. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 19, 2023 10:58:09 GMT
This would never sit comfortably with me but society has changed mostly due to social media outlets etc. If club were smart they would tap into some celeb tik tokers and get them doing stuff about club as that will drive attention. As said it’s not my cup of tea and won’t be what old timers want but times have changed. Days of next generation of fans coming from my dad supported them has gone. You need build little bit of cult around club and different avenues of social media unfortunately would do that. This might be wrong thread for this suggestion. Great suggestion - and exactly the sort of outside the box thinking a decent CEO would be looking at. Look at Wrexham and the excitement and positivity generated there. Yesterday at Villa everyone creaming themselves because Tom Hanks had got a ticket. It’s bollocks but it works. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 19, 2023 10:59:28 GMT
We had couple of Brit pornstars at ours before
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Post by West Acton on Feb 19, 2023 11:00:47 GMT
We had Will Farrell at last home game but would anyone have known.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 19, 2023 11:09:53 GMT
Or care
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 19, 2023 11:11:39 GMT
I live in Essex. Every other day u see some C-z lister, footballer etc. you get immune to the bollox.
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