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Apr 8, 2023 11:44:58 GMT
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 8, 2023 11:44:58 GMT
Not the innocents in all this.
We were delighted to see the back of Briatore and welcomed Fernandes with open arms.
We cheered almost every one of the signings which took us to the edge of bankruptcy
There were placards held aloft saying “Harry come and save us”
We were desperate for the club to make Stef, Charlie etc permanent deals
Manny were furious for us not buying a striker in Warbs last year in Jan - then when the accounts were published recently showing that we are deep in financial shit for massively overspending that year, some of the same fans are furious that they overspent
Many called for Warbs to be sacked
Many were completely up Beale’s arse
Most thought Critchley was an ok appointment
Almost everyone thought he should be sacked a couple of months later (me included - I was probably wrong)
Most (not me) backed - and indeed campaigned - for Ainsworth to be appointed
Many (me inc) were crying out for five at the back
Now some are blaming the Preston defeat for not playing four at the back
I get we are not paid to make decisions. But I have read quite a lot of posters lately saying “the board should not listen to the fans”. Maybe that’s right - but if so we can’t complain if they ignore us moving forwards.
We are all hurting and it’s natural to seek someone to blame. But we have all played a part in the disaster. Obviously our role has been a lot smaller than the owners who take ultimate responsibility. But we probably should keep this in mind before lashing out too much.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 8, 2023 12:01:09 GMT
Massive amount of hindsight running through all that Stains. Harry did his job and got us straight back up to Prem so good call by fans. Stef and Charlie helped keep us up so good call again by fans - who could know they wouldn’t keep it up following season. Who knows whether it was Warburton or DOF who didn’t want a striker but fact is if we’d got one and ended up promoted we wouldn’t be in such a financial mess so it was worth the risk - fans not wrong again. As for Beale, as a man a creep but as a manager he got the best out of our shower and there’s no denying that so why wouldn’t fans like him….to start with. Fans pay their money and are entitled to comment. This club is badly run, the DOF isn’t up to it and Hoos just preserves the status quo. Not our fault.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 8, 2023 12:05:35 GMT
Mate that was my point: a lot of those decisions only seemed stupid in hindsight. Others (like appointing Beale) were not bad decisions on the available evidence.
The owners have been very naive in many, many ways but not ALL the decisions were as stupid as they now seem and many that were, we supported at the time
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 8, 2023 12:06:12 GMT
Tbh I blame the cunts running the club and on the pitch.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 8, 2023 12:11:02 GMT
Where I agree with you is good owners sometimes need to take unpopular (with fans) decisions for the overall benefit of the club.
Where I disagree is you always get a minority who shout the loudest and who have to because they know they’re in the minority, (which of course applies in all walks of life, not just football). And some (not all) of that applies to your examples.
It’s very easy to criticise and make scapegoats of the fan base but it’s also often unreasonable because of the enormous cross section of opinion amongst it. So it’s irrational then to tarnish them all with the same brush.
Therefore the overwhelming majority of responsibility lies with the owners for the mess the club is now in, for the decisions and appointments made under their twelve year watch.
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Apr 8, 2023 12:19:14 GMT
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 8, 2023 12:19:14 GMT
U can’t blame the gun company for the prick that shoots people with it
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Apr 8, 2023 12:22:17 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Apr 8, 2023 12:22:17 GMT
Not the innocents in all this. We were delighted to see the back of Briatore and welcomed Fernandes with open arms. We cheered almost every one of the signings which took us to the edge of bankruptcy There were placards held aloft saying “Harry come and save us” We were desperate for the club to make Stef, Charlie etc permanent deals Manny were furious for us not buying a striker in Warbs last year in Jan - then when the accounts were published recently showing that we are deep in financial shit for massively overspending that year, some of the same fans are furious that they overspent Many called for Warbs to be sacked Many were completely up Beale’s arse Most thought Critchley was an ok appointment Almost everyone thought he should be sacked a couple of months later (me included - I was probably wrong) Most (not me) backed - and indeed campaigned - for Ainsworth to be appointed Many (me inc) were crying out for five at the back Now some are blaming the Preston defeat for not playing four at the back I get we are not paid to make decisions. But I have read quite a lot of posters lately saying “the board should not listen to the fans”. Maybe that’s right - but if so we can’t complain if they ignore us moving forwards. We are all hurting and it’s natural to seek someone to blame. But we have all played a part in the disaster. Obviously our role has been a lot smaller than the owners who take ultimate responsibility. But we probably should keep this in mind before lashing out too much. could not agree more and I’ve often said fans are partly responsible for the mess as we have people pleasers in charge who listen to the noise and respond to it in the hope they are popular. I have blood on my hands myself for some of the bits You raise so guilty as charged. The big fuck up was Warburton the only one with feet on ground in a club ruled by mad men. I hope we survive this season take our medicine and learn from our mistakes. |
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Apr 8, 2023 12:28:16 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 8, 2023 12:28:16 GMT
So pay up and shut up?
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Apr 8, 2023 12:29:48 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Apr 8, 2023 12:29:48 GMT
Accept responsibility if you’re going moan when it goes wrong. It’s not hard.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 8, 2023 12:37:19 GMT
Very simple solution to that: Stop being too much of a people pleaser, making decisions largely based on what they perceive will be popular and unpopular. Indeed that is PRECISELY why we now find ourselves in this predicament after 12 years of mismanagement.
As I say above, good owners, as in any walk of life, sometimes need to take unpopular decisions for the overall health of the company. It happens every day in business. Because it’s just possible that they’re sometimes able to see the bigger picture, that some fans don’t.
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Apr 8, 2023 12:38:00 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Apr 8, 2023 12:38:00 GMT
Very simple solution to that: Stop being too much of a people pleaser, making decisions largely based on what they perceive will be popular and unpopular. Indeed that is PRECISELY why we now find ourselves in this predicament after 12 years of mismanagement. As I say above, good owners, as in any walk of life, sometimes need to take unpopular decisions for the overall health of the company. It happens every day in business. Because it’s just possible that they’re sometimes able to see the bigger picture, that some fans often don’t. agree |
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Post by Greg1882 on Apr 8, 2023 12:45:13 GMT
Very simple solution to that: Stop being too much of a people pleaser, making decisions largely based on what they perceive will be popular and unpopular. Indeed that is PRECISELY why we now find ourselves in this predicament after 12 years of mismanagement. As I say above, good owners, as in any walk of life, sometimes need to take unpopular decisions for the overall health of the company. It happens every day in business. Because it’s just possible that they’re sometimes able to see the bigger picture, that some fans often don’t. Fucking amen 👏🏻👏🏻 |
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Apr 8, 2023 12:47:58 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 8, 2023 12:47:58 GMT
I think the influence fans have is being massively overrated. No one usually gives a toss what fans think until they stop turning up.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 8, 2023 12:49:09 GMT
Very simple solution to that: Stop being too much of a people pleaser, making decisions largely based on what they perceive will be popular and unpopular. Indeed that is PRECISELY why we now find ourselves in this predicament after 12 years of mismanagement. As I say above, good owners, as in any walk of life, sometimes need to take unpopular decisions for the overall health of the company. It happens every day in business. Because it’s just possible that they’re sometimes able to see the bigger picture, that some fans often don’t. agree Glad we agree on that Westy. Running a business by trying to keep second guessing whats popular or not is equivalent to a fool and their money being easily parted. The alternative of course is to actually have a plan and vision in the first place and the staff in place qualified and competent enough to execute it. Eg Brentford, Brighton etc. When fans see that, the majority of them get on board with it anyway. |
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Apr 8, 2023 12:57:04 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Apr 8, 2023 12:57:04 GMT
I think the influence fans have is being massively overrated. No one usually gives a toss what fans think until they stop turning up. hello have you noted nothing about TF. What fans Think Probably matters to him more than anything else. Fans moaned on podcast we should get free pie and pint after Watford game and behold they done it. They should have be told duck off we’re losing money if you want a pie pay for it. Fans moan board not talking next thing you know Amit and Ruben being interviewed. They listen and are influenced way too much. |
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Apr 8, 2023 14:23:44 GMT
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 8, 2023 14:23:44 GMT
Uk fans got no real power.
Abroad if club pissing the public off they soon know
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Post by hubble on Apr 8, 2023 14:34:57 GMT
Sorry, but the idea the fans bear any responsibility for this 12 year slow motion train wreck is complete nonsense. Smart owners take smart decisions and have no need to apoease the fans. Only incompetent idiots like this lot do that. The fault for this farrago lies 100% with Fernandes and co.
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Post by Rangers77 on Apr 8, 2023 14:36:22 GMT
I have zero responsibility for the shit we're in. I thought buying SWP was mad. And Seizure. I didn't want Ramsey, JFH, Ollie or Steve. I was agnostic on Warbs going. And I boo frequently to tell them when we're shit. The only seriously wrong call I have got was calling for Neil's sacking in January 2012. What a cunt I was. That was the worse decision taken in the last twelve years.
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 8, 2023 15:38:04 GMT
Not the innocents in all this etc Missing the key point. The fans don't employ professional staff to help them get decisions right. These morons did, and still fucked it up. In addition, they are by a distance the wealthiest owners in the division. Other clubs have managed to successfully bypass FFP by shrewd accountancy / legal practices. That door has been open to them all along. Instead, the mantra is sustainability. Which has led us to the precipice of league one. and btw the only appointment I would have sanctioned post Colin was Beale's. I thought all the rest, Warbs included, were shite. Before they signed up. |
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Apr 8, 2023 15:41:34 GMT
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Post by Bill on Apr 8, 2023 15:41:34 GMT
Not the innocents in all this. We were delighted to see the back of Briatore and welcomed Fernandes with open arms. We cheered almost every one of the signings which took us to the edge of bankruptcy There were placards held aloft saying “Harry come and save us” We were desperate for the club to make Stef, Charlie etc permanent deals Manny were furious for us not buying a striker in Warbs last year in Jan - then when the accounts were published recently showing that we are deep in financial shit for massively overspending that year, some of the same fans are furious that they overspent Many called for Warbs to be sacked Many were completely up Beale’s arse Most thought Critchley was an ok appointment Almost everyone thought he should be sacked a couple of months later (me included - I was probably wrong) Most (not me) backed - and indeed campaigned - for Ainsworth to be appointed Many (me inc) were crying out for five at the back Now some are blaming the Preston defeat for not playing four at the back I get we are not paid to make decisions. But I have read quite a lot of posters lately saying “the board should not listen to the fans”. Maybe that’s right - but if so we can’t complain if they ignore us moving forwards. We are all hurting and it’s natural to seek someone to blame. But we have all played a part in the disaster. Obviously our role has been a lot smaller than the owners who take ultimate responsibility. But we probably should keep this in mind before lashing out too much. Utter bollocks |
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Apr 8, 2023 16:18:59 GMT
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 8, 2023 16:18:59 GMT
Not the innocents in all this. We were delighted to see the back of Briatore and welcomed Fernandes with open arms. We cheered almost every one of the signings which took us to the edge of bankruptcy There were placards held aloft saying “Harry come and save us” We were desperate for the club to make Stef, Charlie etc permanent deals Manny were furious for us not buying a striker in Warbs last year in Jan - then when the accounts were published recently showing that we are deep in financial shit for massively overspending that year, some of the same fans are furious that they overspent Many called for Warbs to be sacked Many were completely up Beale’s arse Most thought Critchley was an ok appointment Almost everyone thought he should be sacked a couple of months later (me included - I was probably wrong) Most (not me) backed - and indeed campaigned - for Ainsworth to be appointed Many (me inc) were crying out for five at the back Now some are blaming the Preston defeat for not playing four at the back I get we are not paid to make decisions. But I have read quite a lot of posters lately saying “the board should not listen to the fans”. Maybe that’s right - but if so we can’t complain if they ignore us moving forwards. We are all hurting and it’s natural to seek someone to blame. But we have all played a part in the disaster. Obviously our role has been a lot smaller than the owners who take ultimate responsibility. But we probably should keep this in mind before lashing out too much. Utter bollocks 😁 |
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Apr 8, 2023 16:26:45 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 8, 2023 16:26:45 GMT
I haven’t noticed Fernandes for at least three years.
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Apr 8, 2023 16:38:13 GMT
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 8, 2023 16:38:13 GMT
I haven’t noticed Fernandes for at least three years. Tarbie couldn’t see his cock for 3 years either |
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Post by Greg1882 on Apr 8, 2023 16:46:06 GMT
Not the innocents in all this. We were delighted to see the back of Briatore and welcomed Fernandes with open arms. We cheered almost every one of the signings which took us to the edge of bankruptcy There were placards held aloft saying “Harry come and save us” We were desperate for the club to make Stef, Charlie etc permanent deals Manny were furious for us not buying a striker in Warbs last year in Jan - then when the accounts were published recently showing that we are deep in financial shit for massively overspending that year, some of the same fans are furious that they overspent Many called for Warbs to be sacked Many were completely up Beale’s arse Most thought Critchley was an ok appointment Almost everyone thought he should be sacked a couple of months later (me included - I was probably wrong) Most (not me) backed - and indeed campaigned - for Ainsworth to be appointed Many (me inc) were crying out for five at the back Now some are blaming the Preston defeat for not playing four at the back I get we are not paid to make decisions. But I have read quite a lot of posters lately saying “the board should not listen to the fans”. Maybe that’s right - but if so we can’t complain if they ignore us moving forwards. We are all hurting and it’s natural to seek someone to blame. But we have all played a part in the disaster. Obviously our role has been a lot smaller than the owners who take ultimate responsibility. But we probably should keep this in mind before lashing out too much. Sorry mate not having that. Fans are in no way responsible for this shambles. They follow this club up and down the country spending money in times of economic meltdown for absolutely nothing on return. Not even the decency of a thank you. At Blackpool these fucking cunts turned away and ran down the tunnel. That’s what these players think of the only people that care enough to keep this club going. The tolerance from the support this season has been phenomenal. Totally unwarranted. All they expect in return for all Of their commitment is some effort. If the owners aren’t professional enough to follow a business plan without trying to please everyone then that’s on them. Cateram fail, qpr fail. The whole set up upstairs is a fucking disaster. So what they pump in 500k a week? They only do so because of their own incompetence. I’d genuinely rather have Bernie and flav back over these Charleston’s |
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