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Post by hal9thou on May 28, 2023 13:11:05 GMT
Anyone interested in set ups should check this out - the return of of total football.
Wont be seeing it at LR anytime soon.
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Post by awin on May 28, 2023 14:11:14 GMT
Anyone interested in set ups should check this out - the return of of total football. Wont be seeing it at LR anytime soon. Would suit Willock and chair. |
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Post by hal9thou on May 29, 2023 11:36:40 GMT
Closest we came to this was in the mid 70s.
Tactically we're fifty years behind where we were then. Only have to watch us for 5 minutes to know the truth.
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Post by Shania on May 29, 2023 12:23:23 GMT
We are Athletico Madrid now.  |
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Post by hubble on May 30, 2023 8:37:38 GMT
This is deep - thanks for posting Hal. What he discusses at the end about the relationship between football tactics, political systems and authority I found particularly fascinating.
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Post by hal9thou on May 30, 2023 11:34:32 GMT
This is deep - thanks for posting Hal. What he discusses at the end about the relationship between football tactics, political systems and authority I found particularly fascinating. cheers yeah I thought it worthwhile. How often in top tier Euro football do we hear the word congestion? That often happens when competent bus parkers try to counter quality attacking teams. The reason the latter sometimes struggle under those circs is because all quality Euro team basically play the same way: trying to keep their shape come what may. They aint playing whats in front of them, they're playing by rote. These guys chuck all that out of the window. Very refreshing. (btw Southgate is a prime example of a manager who sacrifices skill for shape) |
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Post by hubble on May 30, 2023 12:12:37 GMT
I also found the part on the Europeanisation of Brazilian football interesting. I think many football fans around the world yearn for the care-free style of the all-conquering Brazilian teams of the 70s. As it says, Dunga was key in changing all that and Brazil have suffered, certainly in terms of style, and arguably in terms of results, as a consequence.
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Post by hal9thou on Jun 4, 2023 11:21:21 GMT
I noticed at least one occasion in the cup final where the shape mentality cost Man Utd in the last 10 mins.
Rashford gets a pass, he's back to goal on the edge of the box with his marker a little bit adrift behind him.
Instead of turning and taking on the defender he just knocks it back into the mf line who are like another 20m deeper.
That's negative, unimaginative Euro coaching right there.
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Post by Shania on Jun 4, 2023 11:51:54 GMT
Fwiwi, I agree; a pass like that gives the opposition time and opportunity to defend/regroup.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 4, 2023 16:13:54 GMT
I noticed at least one occasion in the cup final where the shape mentality cost Man Utd in the last 10 mins. Rashford gets a pass, he's back to goal on the edge of the box with his marker a little bit adrift behind him. Instead of turning and taking on the defender he just knocks it back into the mf line who are like another 20m deeper. That's negative, unimaginative Euro coaching right there. Totally agree until you see City do it (properly)with their runners coming on to the ball. Suddenly the defence is over run and they don’t know who to go to first. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jun 4, 2023 19:05:21 GMT
I noticed at least one occasion in the cup final where the shape mentality cost Man Utd in the last 10 mins. Rashford gets a pass, he's back to goal on the edge of the box with his marker a little bit adrift behind him. Instead of turning and taking on the defender he just knocks it back into the mf line who are like another 20m deeper. That's negative, unimaginative Euro coaching right there. Totally agree until you see City do it (properly)with their runners coming on to the ball. Suddenly the defence is over run and they don’t know who to go to first. Fair point and Tbh that's what a late arriving AMF is for, although the back line cover should be picking them up. But if he turns and takes on his defender suddenly its dangerous, unpredictable. The only player on the park who looked like he was up for taking defenders out was the Argentinian kid on Utd's left flank. They haven't coached that out of him yet. Problem was that as whole Utd just looked clueless going forward until his introduction. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 4, 2023 23:00:30 GMT
Diniz and Fluminense just won the Libertadores with Dinizball. Boca playing for penalties.
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 17, 2024 13:18:11 GMT
Some of Nagelsman's attacking approach is a bit similar to Diniz, AMF and front players tight and overloading, playing their way through.
The Xabi thing is interesting, xtreme counter press. He must have them super fit.
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