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Post by sparks on Aug 2, 2023 9:02:00 GMT
For me I would tend to agree with a lot of what Bill’s saying.
Big difference in growing up the 60s to what my younger sister experienced in the 70s
We lived in poverty until things improved after leaving school.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 2, 2023 9:03:07 GMT
Bill, I’ve had these conversations many times with younger people but unless you lived it like us there’s no point. It’s true every generation says the same thing about the next but ours was very different in that we weren’t called up, with no choice, to go and die somewhere. There was still rationing when we were born too, so we did have it easy compared to our parents. Difference was we appreciated things getting better because we’d known worse. Nothing much has changed if you were born in 70s/80s - healthcare is massively better but same music, similar transport (safer), entertainments, lifestyles - I can still identify with all that. Westy will call me a dinosaur but I’m not😂 All things considered, I’m glad I grew up when I did but still wish I was young again.
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Post by Corbray on Aug 2, 2023 9:03:56 GMT
okay, your parents may have not said that to you but my grandparents said the same to my parents (who grew up in the 70s and 80s) and i'm sure many others here and elsewhere have had similar stuff said to them. but bill, why do you always get so aggressive everytime someone says something that you disagree with? Because you made such a sweeping generalisation about times back then and me,yet you never lived back then,or knew my history and yet made these observations. So now your diverting the conversation to my anger,is this because you choose to just think that the older members of society are not entitled to express themselves or you post something before doing your homework. Instead of OK simple apology would be better but thats probably to much to ask. when did i say anything about old people not being allowed opinions, where did you even pull that from?you're the one being ageist by saying the homework comment. i'm not against you here bill and you're finding something to be angry about when they're is nothing to be angry about. i know very little of your life as you've said but i know very little about anyone elses on here just as they know very little about mine. its not a point of contention. i'm not going to apologise when i said nothing controversial or offensive. you're not the only old head on here, this is just a little off topic debate where we should be able to express opinions and then go over it. i've said before that there are opinions on here that i agree with and some that i disagree with but i've always enjoyed being able to debate them. |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 2, 2023 10:46:31 GMT
Bill, I’ve had these conversations many times with younger people but unless you lived it like us there’s no point. It’s true every generation says the same thing about the next but ours was very different in that we weren’t called up, with no choice, to go and die somewhere. There was still rationing when we were born too, so we did have it easy compared to our parents. Difference was we appreciated things getting better because we’d known worse. Nothing much has changed if you were born in 70s/80s - healthcare is massively better but same music, similar transport (safer), entertainments, lifestyles - I can still identify with all that. Westy will call me a dinosaur but I’m not😂 All things considered, I’m glad I grew up when I did but still wish I was young again. I honestly think the turning point towards generation snowflake was the first generation without a living relative who experienced the war. I remember talking to my grandad about his time in Burma in the army for a school project 30 years or so ago. Just being aware of the hardships those that went before us lived through made folk more appreciative to be born into relatively peaceful and affluent times. Of course the youngsters today have their own shit storm to deal with, but in a lot of cases there doesn't seem to be the same work ethic or drive to make something of their lives that most people I grew up with seemed to have. I think a lot of today's lot feel they're almost entitled to have a nice life. They want to skip the hard graft all successful people I know put in during their early careers. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2023 10:58:34 GMT
Bill, I’ve had these conversations many times with younger people but unless you lived it like us there’s no point. It’s true every generation says the same thing about the next but ours was very different in that we weren’t called up, with no choice, to go and die somewhere. There was still rationing when we were born too, so we did have it easy compared to our parents. Difference was we appreciated things getting better because we’d known worse. Nothing much has changed if you were born in 70s/80s - healthcare is massively better but same music, similar transport (safer), entertainments, lifestyles - I can still identify with all that. Westy will call me a dinosaur but I’m not😂 All things considered, I’m glad I grew up when I did but still wish I was young again. I honestly think the turning point towards generation snowflake was the first generation without a living relative who experienced the war. I remember talking to my grandad about his time in Burma in the army for a school project 30 years or so ago. Just being aware of the hardships those that went before us lived through made folk more appreciative to be born into relatively peaceful and affluent times. Of course the youngsters today have their own shit storm to deal with, but in a lot of cases there doesn't seem to be the same work ethic or drive to make something of their lives that most people I grew up with seemed to have. I think a lot of today's lot feel they're almost entitled to have a nice life. They want to skip the hard graft all successful people I know put in during their early careers. I wouldn't have even been born had my grandfather not managed to escape from the Nazis in eastern Europe 1941. The rest of his entire family, including women, children and babies, were all murdered by them - 15 in total, which was just my immediate family. |
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Post by James1979 on Aug 2, 2023 11:03:56 GMT
I don’t think footballers should be getting involved in politics. But if they do then you’ve got to be consistent. Henderson was a player I quite liked but taking the Saudi money is just so hypocritical.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 2, 2023 11:06:16 GMT
Stan, growing up with that of a backdrop has to instill something in you, doesn't it?
Could it be a factor why to a man (or woman) Ashkenazi Jews are typically some of the most successful people in industry across the planet?
People don't like talking about this stuff anymore for fear of the lefties calling them out. But I find it fascinating how people of different cultural and ethnic backgrounds seem to excel in different areas of life.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Aug 2, 2023 11:06:49 GMT
I honestly think the turning point towards generation snowflake was the first generation without a living relative who experienced the war. I remember talking to my grandad about his time in Burma in the army for a school project 30 years or so ago. Just being aware of the hardships those that went before us lived through made folk more appreciative to be born into relatively peaceful and affluent times. Of course the youngsters today have their own shit storm to deal with, but in a lot of cases there doesn't seem to be the same work ethic or drive to make something of their lives that most people I grew up with seemed to have. I think a lot of today's lot feel they're almost entitled to have a nice life. They want to skip the hard graft all successful people I know put in during their early careers. I wouldn't have even been born had my grandfather not managed to escape from the Nazis in eastern Europe 1941. The rest of his entire family (my relatives), including women, children and babies, were all murdered by them. Fuck, that’s tragic Stan. He must have been made of stern stuff indeed to suffer that. Can only imagine what is was like listening to his stories and experiences. |
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Post by sparks on Aug 2, 2023 11:07:27 GMT
In my experience I would say debt is too easy to obtain nowadays, especially for youngsters.
When I was a kid I took out a hire purchase agreement to purchase a peddle bike racer under the strict instruction from my parents that could no way afford the repayments if I defaulted.
Can’t remember how much the bike was and even how young I was but I had to get an early morning paper round and Sat job in Bush Market to pay the debt off.
That in turn gave me the true value of waiting and saving for what I wanted and spending your money wisely.
I can say I have never taken out a loan since then other than my mortgage to buy a property.
My younger sister on the other hand had everything given to her and is to this day still don’t know the true value of money despite having a well paid job as a black cabbie.
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Post by Corbray on Aug 2, 2023 11:12:53 GMT
Bill, I’ve had these conversations many times with younger people but unless you lived it like us there’s no point. It’s true every generation says the same thing about the next but ours was very different in that we weren’t called up, with no choice, to go and die somewhere. There was still rationing when we were born too, so we did have it easy compared to our parents. Difference was we appreciated things getting better because we’d known worse. Nothing much has changed if you were born in 70s/80s - healthcare is massively better but same music, similar transport (safer), entertainments, lifestyles - I can still identify with all that. Westy will call me a dinosaur but I’m not😂 All things considered, I’m glad I grew up when I did but still wish I was young again. I honestly think the turning point towards generation snowflake was the first generation without a living relative who experienced the war. I remember talking to my grandad about his time in Burma in the army for a school project 30 years or so ago. Just being aware of the hardships those that went before us lived through made folk more appreciative to be born into relatively peaceful and affluent times. Of course the youngsters today have their own shit storm to deal with, but in a lot of cases there doesn't seem to be the same work ethic or drive to make something of their lives that most people I grew up with seemed to have. I think a lot of today's lot feel they're almost entitled to have a nice life. They want to skip the hard graft all successful people I know put in during their early careers. i disagree with the hard graft part tbh. i work 12+ hour days 5 days a week and often work saturdays plus paperwork when i get home due to running a business alongside my dad. there's loads of examples of younger people working 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet as things are far more expensive nowadays, house prices are through the roof, uni fees are extortionate etc. people are moving out much later than ever before because things are so expensive. in bracknell where i'm from for example a privately rented home would be around £1200 a month. there's lots of things wrong with every generation imo. while my generation is considered more 'soft' we're also a lot more tolerant than previous ones. my mum for example has told me how awful it was working in offices in the 80s when sexual harrassment was just seen as part of the job |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2023 11:18:16 GMT
I wouldn't have even been born had my grandfather not managed to escape from the Nazis in eastern Europe 1941. The rest of his entire family (my relatives), including women, children and babies, were all murdered by them. Fuck, that’s tragic Stan. He must have been made of stern stuff indeed to suffer that. Can only imagine what is was like listening to his stories and experiences. Indeed Itso. The only reason he escaped is because he was the youngest of five. All his siblings were married with young children, so were left behind. His parents, other relatives and friends too. Obviously everyone was aware and concerned about the rise of The Third Reich. Therefore he was sent as an emissary to South Africa with aim of starting a new life and business; so that he could eventually send for the rest of his family back home, but by September 1941 it was too late. The Nazis had arrived in our town in Lithuania, rounded all the Jews up and marched them into the surrounding forests to be executed by the death squads. Our house and local shop was then burnt to the ground to destroy any evidence. |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 2, 2023 11:19:02 GMT
Corbs, there are exceptions for sure. But I'll be honest, I see the kind of work ethic I'd want on my team in maybe 1 out of 10 of the youngsters I encounter or interview. When I was their age I was running through brick walls to build a successful career. Sounds like you are of a similar mindset.
I also agree that there are elements of society that have progressed for the good. We are far more tolerant as you've highlighted.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2023 11:32:45 GMT
Stan, growing up with that of a backdrop has to instill something in you, doesn't it? It's certainly made me very grateful for the freedoms I enjoy and not taking anything for granted, Tarbs. It inspired me too to research and write about my family history, which has been quite the challenge as so much evidence was deliberately destroyed. Other thing I'd add is that growing up in the 70's corporal punishment was a lot more prevalent. Indeed it was legal. As a result I used get a lot of beatings from my Dad as well as at school - with sticks, canes, belts, shoes, even bare hands. Psychologically, that left its scars for sure. Obviously that sort of thing just doesn't happen anymore since it became outlawed in 2004. . |
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Post by Bill on Aug 2, 2023 12:49:14 GMT
Because you made such a sweeping generalisation about times back then and me,yet you never lived back then,or knew my history and yet made these observations. So now your diverting the conversation to my anger,is this because you choose to just think that the older members of society are not entitled to express themselves or you post something before doing your homework. Instead of OK simple apology would be better but thats probably to much to ask. when did i say anything about old people not being allowed opinions, where did you even pull that from?you're the one being ageist by saying the homework comment. i'm not against you here bill and you're finding something to be angry about when they're is nothing to be angry about. i know very little of your life as you've said but i know very little about anyone elses on here just as they know very little about mine. its not a point of contention. i'm not going to apologise when i said nothing controversial or offensive. you're not the only old head on here, this is just a little off topic debate where we should be able to express opinions and then go over it. i've said before that there are opinions on here that i agree with and some that i disagree with but i've always enjoyed being able to debate them. Cant be bothered to be honest,some younger people think the world owes them a living or rely on the bank of mum and Dad. Didnt think you would have the spunk to apologise,as you said every generation softer than the last,utter garbage. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 2, 2023 12:52:47 GMT
Was in Hammersmith yesterday some young bloke thinks he can just shove me out the way and carry on through the tube barrier,no way.
I got hold of him and smacked his head straight down on the barrier a few times and said that will fucking teach you cunt.
and carried on with my journey to Ducane rd hospital to see my mate who has stomach cancer.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 2, 2023 13:02:43 GMT
Stan, growing up with that of a backdrop has to instill something in you, doesn't it? It's certainly made me very grateful for the freedoms I enjoy and not taking anything for granted, Tarbs. It inspired me too to research and write about my family history, which has been quite the challenge as so much evidence was deliberately destroyed. Other thing I'd add is that growing up in the 70's corporal punishment was a lot more prevalent. Indeed it was legal. As a result I used get a lot of beatings from my Dad as well as at school - with sticks, canes, belts, shoes, even bare hands. Psychologically, that left its scars for sure. Obviously that sort of thing just doesn't happen anymore since it became outlawed in 2004. . Wow, 2004! Never realised it was that late. Didn’t happen much at my school probably because we had lots of young teachers not sadistic old paedos. |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 2, 2023 13:15:56 GMT
when did i say anything about old people not being allowed opinions, where did you even pull that from?you're the one being ageist by saying the homework comment. i'm not against you here bill and you're finding something to be angry about when they're is nothing to be angry about. i know very little of your life as you've said but i know very little about anyone elses on here just as they know very little about mine. its not a point of contention. i'm not going to apologise when i said nothing controversial or offensive. you're not the only old head on here, this is just a little off topic debate where we should be able to express opinions and then go over it. i've said before that there are opinions on here that i agree with and some that i disagree with but i've always enjoyed being able to debate them. Cant be bothered to be honest,some younger people think the world owes them a living or rely on the bank of mum and Dad. Didnt think you would have the spunk to apologise,as you said every generation softer than the last,utter garbage. what is there to apologise for? you're the only one who's trying to take low blows and sling insults around. i'm only trying to chat with you bill lol, i don't get why you're being so bitter towards me right now. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 2, 2023 14:17:40 GMT
Swings and roundabouts Corbs. Some ways it's easier now, some ways it's harder. Net net growing up during The Blitz would have been unquestionably harder though. London alone attacked 71 times and bombed by the Luftwaffe for 57 consecutive nights. More than one million London houses destroyed or damaged, and more than 40,000 civilians were killed, half of them in London. Conservative estimate is around 140,000 maimed and injured. Portsmouth, Plymouth, Southampton, Sheffield, Bristol, Birmingham, Coventry, and Liverpool all bombed too. There was no NHS and welfare state to fall back on to then either.
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Post by sparks on Aug 8, 2023 11:35:45 GMT
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 8, 2023 11:51:25 GMT
Is that a question? Cos we not got any if that’s what u asking
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Post by sparks on Aug 8, 2023 12:28:15 GMT
There was no question implied, it’s just an article describing what’s so wrong with society right now.
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Post by The General on Aug 8, 2023 14:31:19 GMT
No one just wants to be a normal person anymore
Electrician / Plasterer / Carpenter / Hairdresser
Just want to be PT / Actor / Only fans slag
My son was saying he didn’t work in the building game
Then I told him my electricians earn 1500 quid a week
School has turned kids into snobs it’s a joke
Plumbers earn more than doctors
Everyone wants to be famous or on Love Island
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 8, 2023 14:36:30 GMT
My son when qualifies 40k basic w/it
Private work in abundance. His work mate 24 got 90k saved for house already👊
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