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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2023 12:24:28 GMT
god willing 🙏🏽. Think if he goes now he kind of retains his reputation as a player. If he stays too much longer that rep is lost Martin Rowlands was for me much more deserving of such status. Maybe because he scored a few decent goals for us? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 12:29:00 GMT
Legendary is so diluted it’s irrelevant nowadays. Bit like mins silence. Obviously to family etc of recipients it’s not but in general it’s over used.
There’s very few really special players out there or been out there whom are truly legendary. Rest are just players
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2023 14:29:55 GMT
I've added a poll to this thread as it's something I've been thinking about and unfortunately have reached the conclusion that he's lost the dressing room. So interested to know if others agree, as once this happens it's usually the final nail in the coffin for any manager.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 14:37:57 GMT
I don’t think he ever had it really. He doesn’t come across as a confident or someone who demands respect.
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2023 14:44:47 GMT
I don’t think he ever had it really. In my view it's been since the Coventry game. |
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Post by oldr on Oct 22, 2023 15:00:03 GMT
I don’t think he ever had it really. He doesn’t come across as a confident or someone who demands respect. The question many were asking before he was even officially appointed was why would players respect him anyway? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2023 15:54:44 GMT
I think some players will still play for professional pride and because they don't want 'relegation' on their CV, but I don't think they're playing for him any longer, as sad as that sounds.
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 22, 2023 16:50:56 GMT
Not for me. Never understood how he gained the fans status he has. Martin Rowlands was for me much more deserving of such status. Maybe because he scored a few decent goals for us? Ladesma scored a great hat trick once for us and he was and is easily forgotten. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2023 16:58:36 GMT
Ladesma scored a great hat trick once for us and he was and is easily forgotten. I think the above clip demonstrates that he was a half decent player for us who scored some memorable goals over a few years, and it would be clearly disingenuous to compare him to someone like Ledesma in the same breath. Does that make GA a club 'legend'? No IMO because that would devalue the meaning of the word. |
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Post by Vespa on Oct 22, 2023 17:08:09 GMT
Ladesma scored a great hat trick once for us and he was and is easily forgotten. I think the above clip demonstrates that he was a half decent player for us who scored some memorable goals over a few years, and it would be clearly disingenuous to compare him to someone like Ledesma in the same breath. Does that make GA a club 'legend'? No IMO because that would devalue the meaning of the word. GA was never a Legend , he was a player who gave his all , and done well ........ No more ,no less A bit like these divs who think people like Faulin are legends .... , not a chance We havn`t had a legend for well over 25 years ( though Tarrabt could have been ) |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 22, 2023 17:47:25 GMT
I think the above clip demonstrates that he was a half decent player for us who scored some memorable goals over a few years, and it would be clearly disingenuous to compare him to someone like Ledesma in the same breath. Does that make GA a club 'legend'? No IMO because that would devalue the meaning of the word. GA was never a Legend , he was a player who gave his all , and done well ........ No more ,no less A bit like these divs who think people like Faulin are legends .... , not a chance We havn`t had a legend for well over 25 years ( though Tarrabt could have been ) Alan Mcdonald Les Ferdinand Maybe Kevin Gallen Would be 3 I would name. Is Ainsworth more of a legend than say Paddy Kenny? 24 clean sheets in a title winning season matches GA's offering. I do not see Kenny as a legend but would argue his value was more to us than GA's. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 17:52:22 GMT
Legends are like pele, maradonna, messi etc, not just a player who’s been good for you
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 22, 2023 17:57:14 GMT
Legends are like pele, maradonna, messi etc, not just a player who’s been good for you I disagree, I think it's subjective to each set of fans. While the 3 you mentioned are legends for sure, if we went by your criteria there QPR have never had a player that's come close to the ability of Pele, Maradona or Messi, so no QPR player can be considered a legend. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Oct 22, 2023 18:01:46 GMT
Clint hill will always be legend for me
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 22, 2023 18:08:32 GMT
Clint hill will always be legend for me Bloody loved Clint. Boy could we do with a couple of players like him now, not this worthless bunch of pricks we have trying to play football now. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 22, 2023 20:00:37 GMT
I think some players will still play for professional pride and because they don't want 'relegation' on their CV, but I don't think they're playing for him any longer, as sad as that sounds. We have a couple who may give it a go. There is something clearly wrong at this football club from top to bottom. No players coming through Poor recruitment Consistently poor managers being appointed. A board who seem to be running us into the ground A squad of players with zero harmony And the current manager performing as he is. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Oct 22, 2023 20:22:32 GMT
We have become a club that Amit and Reuben are happy to take their children to just for the odd match day experience. Amit plays golf on home match days |
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Post by James1979 on Oct 22, 2023 20:26:19 GMT
We have become a club that Amit and Reuben are happy to take their children to just for the odd match day experience. Amit plays golf on home match days Wish he’d just invite Ainsworth, we might win a game. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 22, 2023 20:32:06 GMT
We have become a club that Amit and Reuben are happy to take their children to just for the odd match day experience. Amit plays golf on home match days He is there occasionally.  |
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Post by Bill on Oct 22, 2023 20:47:14 GMT
If we double our points by Christmas under this disasterous manager it would be astonishing.
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Post by oldr on Oct 22, 2023 21:08:10 GMT
Legends are like pele, maradonna, messi etc, not just a player who’s been good for you Yes and no. Those are legends of the sport and we've never had a player of such ilk play for us. However, every club has their own legends and ours are Bowles, Marsh, Ferdinand, Wilkins etc. Ainsworth should not be considered among the Pantheon of QPR legends because he clearly wasn't half as good as any of them. In fact, although some may disagree, he represents an era where we accepted and embraced mediocrity. Often out of necessity but mediocrity nevertheless. The best we achieved in that era was finishing 2nd in Division 3 and yet some revere it as an achievement almost on par with winning the League Cup or finishing runners up in the League or FA Cup. That's a completely different subject and debate but no, Ainsworth is NOT a QPR legend. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 22, 2023 22:14:22 GMT
Absolutely lost the dressing room.
Haka bollox
Dresses like a fool
Shit starting line up’s and tactics
Alienating our best player.
Shite.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 23, 2023 8:28:40 GMT
On news now 1 report says next 3 games could decide his future 🙄
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 23, 2023 11:20:19 GMT
Not for me. Never understood how he gained the fans status he has. Martin Rowlands was for me much more deserving of such status. Ainsworth became a 'Cult hero' (not legend) because of the way he looked and the all round image. He was an average player who wouldn't have been revered if he looked like Joe Bloggs and his hobby was watching films... This. Big difference between a cult figure and a legend. For me our club legends (in the era that everyone bar Bill and Alan witnessed or at least knows about) would be: Marsh Bowles Francis Ferdinand Next rung down you have some club greats: Much of the 76 team Currie Wilkins Parker Fenwick McDonald Allen Stainrod Bannister Gregory Adel Clive Wilson maybe And below that players who had cult status: Clint Paddy Waddock Roedder Wicks Mad Mark Dennis Faurlin Arguably Ainsworth would be in serious nose-bleed territory even to be mentioned in the same breath as those cult players. Sure there are some great players I have forgotten and you could argue all day about exactly who slots in where but above meant just as a general idea. "Legend" is one of the most over-used words, up there with "iconic" and "amazing" |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 23, 2023 11:30:54 GMT
Ainsworth became a 'Cult hero' (not legend) because of the way he looked and the all round image. He was an average player who wouldn't have been revered if he looked like Joe Bloggs and his hobby was watching films... This. Big difference between a cult figure and a legend. For me our club legends (in the era that everyone bar Bill and Alan witnessed or at least knows about) would be: Marsh Bowles Francis Ferdinand Next rung down you have some club greats: Much of the 76 team Currie Wilkins Parker Fenwick McDonald Allen Stainrod Bannister Gregory Adel Clive Wilson maybe And below that players who had cult status: Clint Paddy Waddock Roedder Wicks Mad Mark Dennis Faurlin Arguably Ainsworth would be in serious nose-bleed territory even to be mentioned in the same breath as those cult players. Sure there are some great players I have forgotten and you could argue all day about exactly who slots in where but above meant just as a general idea. "Legend" is one of the most over-used words, up there with "iconic" and "amazing" Going back as far as Marsh I think you’ve covered it mate. Mike Keen, Tony Hazell maybe….great servants but inferior game in those days. You could argue all Wembley League Cup winners are legends if you base it on winning something? |
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Post by Corbray on Oct 23, 2023 11:35:39 GMT
the bar for a legend has to be pretty high.
i don't think we've had a legend in my 20+ years supporting us tbh, players who will be remembered for years to come absolutely.
i think of legends as people who spent a considerable time with us, played hundreds of games, were involved in big moments and were just all round great players. the likes of bowles, marsh, mcdonald and sexton/stock are up there for me as genuine legends. i'd probably add lazarus to that too simply for scoring the most significant goal in our history.
as for if ainsworth has lost the dressing room? i think he has to an extent. some of the younger players and 'his' players will likely be on board with him but he's probably disilusioned the more important figures in the team.
chair on his day is one of the best players in the league but is hamstrung in this team. he gives his all yes but he's being poorly used in an almost advanced box to box role, there's no way that other players don't see the futility in that.
we started off 'ok' performance wise under gaz but we've been figured out and keep making the same mistakes over and over again not to mention the visable frustrations from some of the players. armstrong and kakay for example were both pretty pissed off after being subbed off which to me indicates a lack of respect or fear which is understandable.
he has to go. but our board always seem to give managers far too long to turn it around. we're 11 games into the season and look a shoe in for relegation. i said at the start of the season that it'd either be a great season or a shit one and its sadly looking like the latter.
theres so many managers avaliable right now who could step in and get a tune out of these players but they're all going to be hoovered up by other teams until only the likes of pardew are left lol.
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Post by Hitman34 on Oct 23, 2023 11:37:05 GMT
Ainsworth became a 'Cult hero' (not legend) because of the way he looked and the all round image. He was an average player who wouldn't have been revered if he looked like Joe Bloggs and his hobby was watching films... This. Big difference between a cult figure and a legend. For me our club legends (in the era that everyone bar Bill and Alan witnessed or at least knows about) would be: Marsh Bowles Francis Ferdinand Next rung down you have some club greats: Much of the 76 team Currie Wilkins Parker Fenwick McDonald Allen Stainrod Bannister Gregory Adel Clive Wilson maybe And below that players who had cult status: Clint Paddy Waddock Roedder Wicks Mad Mark Dennis Faurlin Arguably Ainsworth would be in serious nose-bleed territory even to be mentioned in the same breath as those cult players. Sure there are some great players I have forgotten and you could argue all day about exactly who slots in where but above meant just as a general idea. "Legend" is one of the most over-used words, up there with "iconic" and "amazing" you forgot Bardsley. Best right back we ever had. maybe move up Clint to greats section and add derry to cult status. Other than that, good list. go |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Oct 23, 2023 11:45:29 GMT
Fair shouts Hits. I also forgot Weagerle. But you can always make a case to expand these lists. If you include Bannister, do you include Johnny Byrne?
Main point is there are so many players above Gaz, so keeping him has to be purely in terms of what he offers today as manager.
We binned Gregory and Waddock and they were full internationals for major countries and key players in one of our best ever teams.
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Post by 2Loftus on Oct 23, 2023 12:06:22 GMT
Ainsworth has three games to save his job...
...according to journo Darren Witcoop:
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Oct 23, 2023 12:29:10 GMT
Why are those clowns in charge delaying the inevitable,it's clear for all to see that Ainsworth is clueless and so far out of his depth. Should of been sacked weeks ago.
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