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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 10:51:13 GMT
Imo we never going to be a regular premiership side. It just not going to happen, we have missed the boat. I think the way forward for club is to become like Norwich etc. Get club financial sound. Aim for promotion but never drop bottom half To take cups more seriously although knowing we never going to win them but aim for quarter semis. Become a club that finds at least 1-2 decent talents to sell on at a good profit a year. Forget new ground unless something falls in laps that can build 20-23k ground on . Just accept our status and stop thinking we bigger than we are.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 22, 2023 11:10:40 GMT
Like several clubs, yo-yo and an occasional cup run.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 11:22:23 GMT
Like several clubs, yo-yo and an occasional cup run. exactly, we got too much competition in London to be a top club, we need to embrace what we got and build realistic around it. Use the prem instead of trying to compete init |
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Post by oldr on Oct 22, 2023 11:23:38 GMT
We've played in the top flight in 23 seasons of our history.
The counter argument to that stat is normally 'look how many of those happened in the last 50 years' which is true but that's still 22 in the top flight, 28 outside.
Football in 2023 is a different sport from the one most of us started following and we need to adjust our expectations of what QPR is and isn't capable of achieving.
For me the best we can do without selling our souls to rich men is regularly finishing mid table in the Championship with occasional challenges for a play off place and once in a generation Premier League appearances.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 22, 2023 11:40:10 GMT
We've played in the top flight in 23 seasons of our history. The counter argument to that stat is normally 'look how many of those happened in the last 50 years' which is true but that's still 22 in the top flight, 28 outside. Football in 2023 is a different sport from the one most of us started following and we need to adjust our expectations of what QPR is and isn't capable of achieving. For me the best we can do without selling our souls to rich men is regularly finishing mid table in the Championship with occasional challenges for a play off place and once in a generation Premier League appearances. I’m lucky enough to have seen our best years back to when we walked the old Third Divn and, realistically, that’ll do me going forward. Proper team, genuine supporters. Can still enjoy watching City but keep it real here. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 11:42:44 GMT
Brentford have become well run club, their time in prem will end in near future and then they will be a yo-yo set for life side. Which is where we should of been.
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Post by Shania on Oct 22, 2023 11:46:26 GMT
No way would I accept our club not being a regular Premiership team. Swooosjjjjjjjjjj. Bang.
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Post by oldr on Oct 22, 2023 11:51:43 GMT
No way would I accept our club not being a regular Premiership team. Swooosjjjjjjjjjj. Bang. In the last 25 years we have played in the top flight in 3 seasons and got relegated in 2 of those... |
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Post by sparks on Oct 22, 2023 11:52:16 GMT
If there’s no real ambition in sport why bother.
Fans reaction to the appointment of someone like Ainsworth gave our owners enough leeway to sell the fans short.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 11:55:25 GMT
If there’s no real ambition in sport why bother. Fans reaction to the appointment of someone like Ainsworth gave our owners enough leeway to sell the fans short. why do we bother putting teams in cups? We obviously got no ambition in them, but if we sorted the club out properly they a great chance for teams to get very far. |
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Post by oldr on Oct 22, 2023 11:59:05 GMT
If there’s no real ambition in sport why bother. Fans reaction to the appointment of someone like Ainsworth gave our owners enough leeway to sell the fans short. There's a difference between ambition and realistic expectations. Our ambition should be to win the league and cups but our expectations should not be ar odds with reality. |
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Post by sparks on Oct 22, 2023 12:05:59 GMT
If there’s no real ambition in sport why bother. Fans reaction to the appointment of someone like Ainsworth gave our owners enough leeway to sell the fans short. There's a difference between ambition and realistic expectations. Our ambition should be to win the league and cups but our expectations should not be ar odds with reality. Try saying that to Benham at Brentford or Bloom at Brighton |
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Post by Shania on Oct 22, 2023 12:13:59 GMT
No way would I accept our club not being a regular Premiership team. Swooosjjjjjjjjjj. Bang. In the last 25 years we have played in the top flight in 3 seasons and got relegated in 2 of those... Our proud little club were once compared to the likes of Ajax and the great dutch national team of that time, I tell you.  |
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 22, 2023 12:24:32 GMT
We got the golden ticket TWICE & absolutely blew it TWICE.
Tells you all you need to know about the idiots who were and still are the owners of our club.
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Post by oldr on Oct 22, 2023 12:40:43 GMT
There's a difference between ambition and realistic expectations. Our ambition should be to win the league and cups but our expectations should not be ar odds with reality. Try saying that to Benham at Brentford or Bloom at Brighton Our fans haven't got the patience required for the time it would take us to get there the right way. Our history since 1967 is proud but cripples us. |
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Post by oldr on Oct 22, 2023 12:41:22 GMT
In the last 25 years we have played in the top flight in 3 seasons and got relegated in 2 of those... Our proud little club were once compared to the likes of Ajax and the great dutch national team of that time, I tell you. Ha ha, but a little less successful 😉 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2023 12:46:56 GMT
Not really. Nothing in life is ever that permanent and set in stone. Things change; times change. Brighton, Palace, Fulham, Brentford, Luton, Bournmouth - all clubs roughly our size or in recent times, smaller. And all clubs who have disproved the rule and successfully bucked the trend. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 12:49:03 GMT
People use to like us 80s, we had great kits , played good football, at time a rocking ground for home away atmosphere. It was little old qpr like a little brother.
But things move on and we realised this too late and the stable door we nearly shut.
Now most hate or laugh at us. Ground should be condemned. We sounded more money than a sheik in a casino and football wise we gone backwards 60 years.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 12:50:17 GMT
Not really. Nothing in life is ever that permanent and set in stone. Things change; times change. Brighton, Palace, Fulham, Brentford, Luton, Bournmouth - all clubs roughly our size or in recent times, smaller. And all clubs who have disproved the rule and successfully bucked the trend. They all put a lot of their plans that paid off in place way b4 we realised what was happening |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2023 12:53:45 GMT
Not really. Nothing in life is ever that permanent and set in stone. Things change; times change. Brighton, Palace, Fulham, Brentford, Luton, Bournmouth - all clubs roughly our size or in recent times, smaller. And all clubs who have disproved the rule and successfully bucked the trend. They all put a lot of their plans that paid off in place way b4 we realised what was happening Which is precisely my point. With the right ownership, recruitment and strategy it's been proven that clubs of our size can successfully punch above their weight. So it can be done. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 12:59:07 GMT
Also Fulham already had land ground to extend on, Brighton Luton got plenty of land around to develop on, we stuck in w12 in a crowded city
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Post by jfrabbit on Oct 22, 2023 13:03:19 GMT
Also Fulham already had land ground to extend on, Brighton Luton got plenty of land around to develop on, we stuck in w12 in a crowded city Yet literally hundreds of new builds, skyscrapers etc going up all around Loftus Rd and continuing to. As usual why were our owners not in the mix for some of this land? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 22, 2023 13:05:06 GMT
Also Fulham already had land ground to extend on, Brighton Luton got plenty of land around to develop on, we stuck in w12 in a crowded city Excuses, excuses! The main explanation is that we have just been appallingly run for the past dozen years, which has resulted in those aforementioned clubs overtaking us. It's swings and roundabouts. All clubs have their natural advantages and disadvantages and astute ownership (which we have lacked) knows how to mitigate and navigate this successfully. |
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Post by Shania on Oct 22, 2023 13:08:26 GMT
Our proud little club were once compared to the likes of Ajax and the great dutch national team of that time, I tell you. Ha ha, but a little less successful 😉 But our DNA nonetheless  |
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Post by Bill on Oct 22, 2023 13:36:36 GMT
They all put a lot of their plans that paid off in place way b4 we realised what was happening Which is precisely my point. With the right ownership, recruitment and strategy it's been proven that clubs of our size can successfully punch above their weight. So it can be done. Not with these idiots. |
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Post by Bill on Oct 22, 2023 13:45:57 GMT
Quite honestly the club has only been run properly for a few years under certain owners and regimes imo.
However this current lot take the biscuit for one calamity after another.
The main failings are not keeping up with technology in training methods,ticketing,communication with fans,new ground,transfer activity, a youth system and generally operating like a rudderless ship.
Times change and we are playing catchup.
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Oct 22, 2023 14:17:29 GMT
Under good ownership we have great potential… right now we just need to stay up.
We need owners who can make quick decisions, as the squad we have with the right manager can compete in this league. There have been games this year we have been unlucky and with some organisation and more importantly the players believing in the manager we could just scrape through.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 22, 2023 14:38:19 GMT
I genuinely think at the current time the ambition is no more then just survival and I don’t mean relegation survival I mean the actual club
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Oct 22, 2023 14:39:59 GMT
If it’s that bad they should come out and say it, people more understanding if your straight with them
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Post by Shania on Oct 22, 2023 14:41:36 GMT
I genuinely think at the current time the ambition is no more then just survival and I don’t mean relegation survival I mean the actual club Short term, yes no doubt. |
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