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Post by The General on Nov 19, 2023 20:07:43 GMT
All out of contract on on a free shortly
Is this for real ?
If so disgusting can sign a pre con on jan
Willock
Sinclair
Dunne
Field
Dozzell
Berokivic
Dixon Bonner
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 20, 2023 8:25:37 GMT
Pre contract in a different country, not for English club.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 20, 2023 8:56:53 GMT
Willock - suspect he’s been off for a while and some fans have been saying tear his contract up. Old Willock I would make effort to keep, one last 12months is no loss. Which one is the true Willock?
Sinclair - you know my views on him.
Dunne - fans been saying he’s shit and liability. I do think he’s over hyped but certainly worth place in squad. Would try keep but not end of world if he left.
Field - big fan of his and if he is able walk soon on free that’s shocking effort from the club.
Dozzell - majority of fans say he’s shit. I would try hold on to him as think he’s improved this season and showing bit of form. Like Dunne worth place in squad but if goes again 🤷🏽♂️
Berokivic - signed one year contract. I’ve not been massively impressed solid without being spectacular. Feels like there is an error in him. If went not fussed easily replaced.
Dixon Bonner - been here about year without doing anything of real note until couple games ago. Looks like there could be a player in him but needs break into the side to show us. Would try tie up.
Field is the only one of that lot who would be really sad to see go and who offers something week in week out. If rest went would we notice a difference?
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Post by sparks on Nov 20, 2023 9:50:31 GMT
Armstrong and Dunne contracts have an extra year option held by the club until 2025.
WBA also hold a 20% sell on fee of any transfer profit for Field and looks increasingly likely he wants to leave like Willock on a free in June 24.
So many duff players suddenly find form in the last year of their contract and for me Dozzell isn’t worth a renewal.
Disappointing that Aoraha contract finishes in 2024 but Kolli contract runs until 2025
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Post by oldr on Nov 20, 2023 10:23:53 GMT
My worry with all this is if we get relegated not only do we possibly have a situation where a substantial part of the first team have left on a free, others will hand in transfer requests and down tools if they don't get their way.
It's a precarious situation to be in.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 20, 2023 11:31:50 GMT
Club shockingly inept in so many ways BUT re-signing players is not straightforward:
1) Give away long contracts and the club is slated for committing money for crap players (a certain reserve left back on a 4-year deal springs to mind)
2) The player needs to want to sign a new contract, you can't physically force them
3) Normal way to persuade a reluctant player to sign is offer more money - but we don't have the funds (our wage bill was slashed then we signed those four loan players and it shot back up again)
4) Injury records make it a massive gamble. If you were Hoos, would you double Willock's wages when we have no idea if he will recover? I bet the same fans screaming that he might leave on a free were the same fans who screamed at the club for signing Johansen and Charlie when injuries had fucked them.
5) Odds are we will be in League 1 next season - none of them will fancy that so their agents will be sounding out Championship clubs. Field knows he'll have offers in the summer from decent Championship clubs on higher wages.
6) Just as worrying as players who might leave are players who might stay - Coleback on a two year deal, Jeez. He looks another Stef minus the early golden period.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 20, 2023 11:48:05 GMT
Good post Stanis 👌🏽
On former players did stefan or Amos get a gig anywhere? Would be gutted if Amos never as really thought a lot of him had the ability to be really good player injuries aside.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 20, 2023 12:47:20 GMT
Yeah he had a brief spell when he scored a number of goals. There was one game in particular when he kept ghosting in late and hit a great strike that hit the post. Around that time you thought he might really kick on. I don't know if it was the injuries/ confidence but for some reason he just didn't impose himself enough on games.
Spurs youth coaches really rated him but last I heard he was on an early season trial at Reading.
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 20, 2023 15:20:41 GMT
5) Odds are we will be in League 1 next season what odds though? Evens? 100/1? There are a lot of poor sides in this championship, and a massive amount of inconsistency. Anyone goes out there and wins three on the trot suddenly the whole complexion changes. We're a very long way from sorted but for me we look stone cold bottom half, not necessarily bottom three. |
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Post by oldr on Nov 20, 2023 15:57:36 GMT
5) Odds are we will be in League 1 next season what odds though? Evens? 100/1? There are a lot of poor sides in this championship, and a massive amount of inconsistency. Anyone goes out there and wins three on the trot suddenly the whole complexion changes. We're a very long way from sorted but for me we look stone cold bottom half, not necessarily bottom three. I hope you're right but the bookies disagree and we've got a lot of improvements to make to stay up. |
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Post by acricketer on Nov 20, 2023 16:55:29 GMT
Rotherham United @ 1/4
Sheffield Wednesday @ 2/7
QPR @ 8/15
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Post by oldr on Nov 20, 2023 17:18:59 GMT
Rotherham United @ 1/4 Sheffield Wednesday @ 2/7 QPR @ 8/15 There's a reason why the bookies have 3 windows to pay in and one to collect from... |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 20, 2023 17:38:00 GMT
Rotherham United @ 1/4 Sheffield Wednesday @ 2/7 QPR @ 8/15 There's a reason why the bookies have 3 windows to pay in and one to collect from... then join them. Go on the exchanges and lay the rs at say 4/7. I think a few punters would be looking to have a bit of that.... Alternatively, have a bit of evens with me. I stopped visiting bookmakers in 2001. Largely because Betfair made it possible to buy or sell any position. Still have a shout from time to time. I think its way too early in the season for us to be pretty much 1/2 to go down. I'd make us an even money shot or maybe 11/10. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 20, 2023 17:48:17 GMT
There's a reason why the bookies have 3 windows to pay in and one to collect from... then join them. Go on the exchanges and lay the rs at say 4/7. I think a few punters would be looking to have a bit of that.... Alternatively, have a bit of evens with me. I stopped visiting bookmakers in 2001. Largely because Betfair made it possible to buy or sell any position. Still have a shout from time to time. I think its way too early in the season for us to be pretty much 1/2 to go down. I'd make us an even money shot or maybe 11/10. You can argue as much as you like about the bookmakers - given we can't score a goal and have barely won at home in a year, it would be pretty extraordinary if they didn't reckon we would be in the bottom three - but my point was simply that if you were Sam Field, say, and your agent had told you that (for example) Middlesbrough, Sunderland and Southampton are interested, you are probably going to think they are more likely to be playing Championship football (or higher) next season than QPR. And if he is unsure, he can just sit it out and decide in the summer. Hence he isn't going to renew now. |
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Post by oldr on Nov 20, 2023 17:57:36 GMT
There's a reason why the bookies have 3 windows to pay in and one to collect from... then join them. Go on the exchanges and lay the rs at say 4/7. I think a few punters would be looking to have a bit of that.... Alternatively, have a bit of evens with me. I stopped visiting bookmakers in 2001. Largely because Betfair made it possible to buy or sell any position. Still have a shout from time to time. I think its way too early in the season for us to be pretty much 1/2 to go down. I'd make us an even money shot or maybe 11/10. We've definitely got time to change things around, the problem is will we? |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 20, 2023 18:26:27 GMT
then join them. Go on the exchanges and lay the rs at say 4/7. I think a few punters would be looking to have a bit of that.... Alternatively, have a bit of evens with me. I stopped visiting bookmakers in 2001. Largely because Betfair made it possible to buy or sell any position. Still have a shout from time to time. I think its way too early in the season for us to be pretty much 1/2 to go down. I'd make us an even money shot or maybe 11/10. You can argue as much as you like about the bookmakers - given we can't score a goal and have barely won at home in a year, it would be pretty extraordinary if they didn't reckon we would be in the bottom three - but my point was simply that if you were Sam Field, say, and your agent had told you that (for example) Middlesbrough, Sunderland and Southampton are interested, you are probably going to think they are more likely to be playing Championship football (or higher) next season than QPR. And if he is unsure, he can just sit it out and decide in the summer. Hence he isn't going to renew now.No one in their right mind with an option to renew now would do that. They'd wait and see. However, that policy does carry a few risks, especially for older players. It is possible that you may be seen as a less desirable asset, and also possible that the terms on offer might be more favourable now. The reason why I'd be slightly more generous re Rs relegation odds (than are currently available) is because I think a few significant changes will have happened by the end of January. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 20, 2023 23:26:05 GMT
I'd have thought betting odds on our survival will have lengthened since Ainsworth was sacked though?
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 20, 2023 23:57:24 GMT
I'd have thought betting odds on our survival will have lengthened since Ainsworth was sacked though? on our survival, shortened. Because we are, in theory, more likely to survive. on relegation, lengthened. Because, in theory, we are less likely to be relegated. However, what really counts above all the form. We've two from six under MC, and that isn't enough yet to see people rushing in to back our survival chances. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 21, 2023 0:32:41 GMT
I'd have thought betting odds on our survival will have lengthened since Ainsworth was sacked though? on our survival, shortened. Because we are, in theory, more likely to survive. on relegation, lengthened. Because, in theory, we are less likely to be relegated. However, what really counts above all the form. We've two from six under MC, and that isn't enough yet to see people rushing in to back our survival chances. Agreed Hal but still really early days under MC, and it's not been a bad start. Shored up the leaky defence at least. |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 21, 2023 10:25:44 GMT
on our survival, shortened. Because we are, in theory, more likely to survive. on relegation, lengthened. Because, in theory, we are less likely to be relegated. However, what really counts above all the form. We've two from six under MC, and that isn't enough yet to see people rushing in to back our survival chances. Agreed Hal but still really early days under MC, and it's not been a bad start. Shored up the leaky defence at least. Absolutely. But from a bookmaking pov it's too early to be confident that the ship has been turned round, and the odds reflect that. I still reckon we're a little short in the relegation market, and we have yet to see what might happen in the window. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 21, 2023 10:40:31 GMT
You can argue as much as you like about the bookmakers - given we can't score a goal and have barely won at home in a year, it would be pretty extraordinary if they didn't reckon we would be in the bottom three - but my point was simply that if you were Sam Field, say, and your agent had told you that (for example) Middlesbrough, Sunderland and Southampton are interested, you are probably going to think they are more likely to be playing Championship football (or higher) next season than QPR. And if he is unsure, he can just sit it out and decide in the summer. Hence he isn't going to renew now.No one in their right mind with an option to renew now would do that. They'd wait and see. However, that policy does carry a few risks, especially for older players. It is possible that you may be seen as a less desirable asset, and also possible that the terms on offer might be more favourable now. The reason why I'd be slightly more generous re Rs relegation odds (than are currently available) is because I think a few significant changes will have happened by the end of January. Exactly - that was my point, no one in their right mind would renew now unless they knew their knees had gone. Re odds - agree the transfer window could completely change the odds (if we remain in touching distance). But whether we are able to do anything significant in the transfer window (even a loan of a proven striker) is unknown to everyone bar the board and the manager. |
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