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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 23, 2023 16:09:18 GMT
Dieng Laird Dickie Dunne Paal Johansen Field Iroegbunam Chair Willock Dykes
Was by and large the team that got us to the top of the table by end of October last season (three months into the season)
Of those we've lost Johansen, Iroegbunam, Dieng, Laird (and Willock to loss of form)
Those outgoing players have been replaced with roughly like for like with the exception of Iroegbunam.
So in conclusion I can't see why, with decent coaching, we can't begin to climb the table again, particularly considering the division is, if anything, a poorer standard than it was last season.
Discuss and feel free to pick any holes in my analysis
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 23, 2023 17:28:13 GMT
Didn't he drop Dykes though? Which allowed him to use that 3 up top.
Only brought him back when injuries kicked in. And our descent duly began.
You could say we're stuck with our worst player and haven't replaced our best.
Either way we need to move the ball a bit quicker, press in an organised way, and find someone who can deliver at the sharp end.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 23, 2023 17:36:00 GMT
Didn't he drop Dykes though? Which allowed him to use that 3 up top. He did, which Marti could of course do too, and suspect he will sooner rather than later. Outside the 11 above, the other players Beale used intermittently were: Kakay, Balogun and Clarke-Salter in defence And Amos, Adomah, Roberts and Dozzell in MF and attack Balogun, Amos and Roberts now gone of those - no huge loss there either.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 23, 2023 17:51:05 GMT
Didn't he drop Dykes though? Which allowed him to use that 3 up top. Only brought him back when injuries kicked in. And our descent duly began. You could say we're stuck with our worst player and haven't replaced our best. Either way we need to move the ball a bit quicker, press in an organised way, and find someone who can deliver at the sharp end. Remind me Hal what was our most attacking three, or was one in advance of the other two? And were these attacking midfielders/ false 9s/ whatever you want to call them all scoring consistently or were the goals coming from elsewhere? For some strange reason I can't remember this (maybe its because it seems so long ago). Good discussion Stan.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 23, 2023 17:59:10 GMT
Didn't he drop Dykes though? Which allowed him to use that 3 up top. Only brought him back when injuries kicked in. And our descent duly began. You could say we're stuck with our worst player and haven't replaced our best. Either way we need to move the ball a bit quicker, press in an organised way, and find someone who can deliver at the sharp end. Remind me Hal what was our most attacking three, or was one in advance of the other two? And were these attacking midfielders/ false 9s/ whatever you want to call them all scoring consistently or were the goals coming from elsewhere? For some strange reason I can't remember this (maybe its because it seems so long ago). Good discussion Stan. The scorers during that period were: Willock x6 Dykes x4 (2 pens) Chair x3 Johansen x2 Dunne x1 Dieng x1 Adomah x1 Laird x1 Roberts x1 Paal x1 Field x1 Balogun x1
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 23, 2023 18:12:21 GMT
Didn't he drop Dykes though? Which allowed him to use that 3 up top. Only brought him back when injuries kicked in. And our descent duly began. You could say we're stuck with our worst player and haven't replaced our best. Either way we need to move the ball a bit quicker, press in an organised way, and find someone who can deliver at the sharp end. Remind me Hal what was our most attacking three, or was one in advance of the other two? And were these attacking midfielders/ false 9s/ whatever you want to call them all scoring consistently or were the goals coming from elsewhere? For some strange reason I can't remember this (maybe its because it seems so long ago). Good discussion Stan. He definitely tried Ilias and Chrissy W up top + 1, with and without Dykes. Can't remember who played up there when Dykes was absent. What's interesting about that is that CW started scoring on a regular basis and Ilias backed it up. Even Dykes got in on the act from time to time. Our worst results under Beale was when we played Dykes on his own up top, that was after a few injuries. At which point Beale didnt have a lot of choice. That's been a constant worry, our lack of squad depth, and it hasn't changed.
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Post by 2Loftus on Nov 23, 2023 19:29:28 GMT
Too soon to say how the parleys [fat finger edit...] players, who have been really mucked about, adapt to MC’s tactics.
Personally I get the feeling he has a plan, is a good communicator (none of Ainsworth’s over reliance on emotion (his), passion and effort), is level-headed and just knows his stuff.
Without being disrespectful to anyone, it’s like training dogs - if you’re nervous, insecure or angry, they pick up on it and don’t respond.
Let’s hope MC is the Barbara Woodhouse of Championship coaches.
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Post by Bill on Nov 23, 2023 22:32:42 GMT
To be blunt none
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 23, 2023 23:09:20 GMT
Remind me Hal what was our most attacking three, or was one in advance of the other two? And were these attacking midfielders/ false 9s/ whatever you want to call them all scoring consistently or were the goals coming from elsewhere? For some strange reason I can't remember this (maybe its because it seems so long ago). Good discussion Stan. The scorers during that period were: Willock x6 Dykes x4 (2 pens) Chair x3 Johansen x2 Dunne x1 Dieng x1 Adomah x1 Laird x1 Roberts x1 Paal x1 Field x1 Balogun x1 So a lot (not all) rests with getting Willock back to speed
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 24, 2023 0:19:24 GMT
Too soon to say how the parleys, who have been really mucked about, adapt to MC’s tactics. Took me a while to figure out that typo. Was racking my brain "What the hell does he mean by parleys" 😅
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Post by acricketer on Nov 24, 2023 1:56:39 GMT
I think we don't have enough to make up the ground needed to avoid relegation.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 24, 2023 7:14:12 GMT
I think we don't have enough to make up the ground needed to avoid relegation. If he can get us scoring goals we should be ok. Big IF.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 24, 2023 8:30:00 GMT
I think we don't have enough to make up the ground needed to avoid relegation. In November. Hilarious
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 24, 2023 8:37:16 GMT
Our customary 16th for me. We were doomed under GA (love him, but that was a poor appointment) The improvements in such a short time are clear to see. Plenty of time to get out of this.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Nov 24, 2023 10:55:17 GMT
Our customary 16th for me. We were doomed under GA (love him, but that was a poor appointment) The improvements in such a short time are clear to see. Plenty of time to get out of this. Agreed. Just need one goalscorer and for Willock and Chair to start firing again. I think we will start to see the best of Willock again.
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Post by 2Loftus on Nov 24, 2023 12:01:13 GMT
Too soon to say how the parleys, who have been really mucked about, adapt to MC’s tactics. Took me a while to figure out that typo. Was racking my brain "What the hell does he mean by parleys" 😅
Fat fingers... players
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Post by Shania on Nov 24, 2023 13:16:26 GMT
Imo, it will go right down to the wire, because It all depends on how fast the players can change their negative mindset. Atm, we lack discipline, cohesion, creativity and goals in this team/squad.
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Post by sparks on Nov 24, 2023 14:32:23 GMT
Dieng Laird Dickie Dunne Paal Johansen Field Iroegbunam Chair Willock Dykes Was by and large the team that got us to the top of the table by end of October last season (three months into the season) Of those we've lost Johansen, Iroegbunam, Dieng, Laird (and Willock to loss of form) Those outgoing players have been replaced with roughly like for like with the exception of Iroegbunam. So in conclusion I can't see why, with decent coaching, we can't begin to climb the table again, particularly considering the division is, if anything, a poorer standard than it was last season. Discuss and feel free to pick any holes in my analysis Dieng, Laird and Iroegbunam were significant upgrades on the likes of Begovic, Cannon and Colback imo. Roberts and Balogun were obviously very injury prone but were all far better footballers than either Cook, Fox or Smyth for me too. The January window will determine our final league position and it seems highly likely that Marti will be un-prepared for what dross Belk and co come up with.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Nov 24, 2023 14:44:50 GMT
Dieng Laird Dickie Dunne Paal Johansen Field Iroegbunam Chair Willock Dykes Was by and large the team that got us to the top of the table by end of October last season (three months into the season) Of those we've lost Johansen, Iroegbunam, Dieng, Laird (and Willock to loss of form) Those outgoing players have been replaced with roughly like for like with the exception of Iroegbunam. So in conclusion I can't see why, with decent coaching, we can't begin to climb the table again, particularly considering the division is, if anything, a poorer standard than it was last season. Discuss and feel free to pick any holes in my analysis Dieng, Laird and Iroegbunam were significant upgrades on the likes of Begovic, Cannon and Colback imo. Roberts and Balogun were obviously very injury prone but were all far better footballers than either Cook, Fox or Smyth for me too. The January window will determine our final league position and it seems highly likely that Marti will be un-prepared for what dross Belk and co come up with. Bit harsh on Cannon imo, he hasn't had a sniff yet. And I'm not having that about Roberts, he was fucking gash.
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Post by sparks on Nov 24, 2023 15:10:26 GMT
Dieng, Laird and Iroegbunam were significant upgrades on the likes of Begovic, Cannon and Colback imo. Roberts and Balogun were obviously very injury prone but were all far better footballers than either Cook, Fox or Smyth for me too. The January window will determine our final league position and it seems highly likely that Marti will be un-prepared for what dross Belk and co come up with. Bit harsh on Cannon imo, he hasn't had a sniff yet. And I'm not having that about Roberts, he was fucking gash. Compare the quality of leagues that Roberts and Smyth have played most of their careers is a huge clue of both talents, Smyth is a headless chicken and is more likely league 2. Cannon has played in 3 games and has yet to show any of Laird obvious qualities, remind me how many clubs did we fight off to sign him?
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 24, 2023 17:00:15 GMT
I think we don't have enough to make up the ground needed to avoid relegation. In November. Hilarious I wouldn't write us off in Nov either but our league position needs to be put in context of our form for a whole calendar year, second worst in the entire football league and just one win at home. Truly catastrophic. I have some faith in Marti and maybe we can pull some brilliant loan out of the hat in Jan so I'm certainly not going to throw in the towel yet - but no getting away from the fact that it will take a monumental change to turn around.
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Post by Corbray on Nov 24, 2023 18:17:13 GMT
Bit harsh on Cannon imo, he hasn't had a sniff yet. And I'm not having that about Roberts, he was fucking gash. Compare the quality of leagues that Roberts and Smyth have played most of their careers is a huge clue of both talents, Smyth is a headless chicken and is more likely league 2. Cannon has played in 3 games and has yet to show any of Laird obvious qualities, remind me how many clubs did we fight off to sign him? paal started off pretty slowly too last season but look at him now. can't judge a player from 3 games unless its jan mlakar. tbh i rate begovic as a shot stopper and commander far more than i do with dieng. dieng would suit the team more than begovic due to his ability with the ball at his feet but i don't see dieng leaving as a huge blow. he had declined over the past year and a half or so for us. cook is an upgrade on balogun for sure imo. cook is an all round better player than balogun and has had a far better career than he has too. roberts was always injured and off the top of my head had maybe 2 games at most where i was impressed with him. imo the whole team is and was rotten really. we largely have much of the same players and of the players we lost iro is the only one i'd love to have back in the team. not saying that the players we have here now are better, christ no, but they're not really any worse given the shit we went through last year. we certainly need to bring in some new players like a fucking striker if we're to have any guarantee of staying up. as a whole though we do have a much better team on paper than the table suggests, chair, willock, dunne, JCS, paal and field at least are good enough on their day to get into most sides in the league. dozzell deserves a mention too as he's stepped it up and finally looks like a championship player.
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Post by sparks on Nov 25, 2023 10:05:17 GMT
Compare the quality of leagues that Roberts and Smyth have played most of their careers is a huge clue of both talents, Smyth is a headless chicken and is more likely league 2. Cannon has played in 3 games and has yet to show any of Laird obvious qualities, remind me how many clubs did we fight off to sign him? paal started off pretty slowly too last season but look at him now. can't judge a player from 3 games unless its jan mlakar. tbh i rate begovic as a shot stopper and commander far more than i do with dieng. dieng would suit the team more than begovic due to his ability with the ball at his feet but i don't see dieng leaving as a huge blow. he had declined over the past year and a half or so for us. cook is an upgrade on balogun for sure imo. cook is an all round better player than balogun and has had a far better career than he has too. roberts was always injured and off the top of my head had maybe 2 games at most where i was impressed with him. imo the whole team is and was rotten really. we largely have much of the same players and of the players we lost iro is the only one i'd love to have back in the team. not saying that the players we have here now are better, christ no, but they're not really any worse given the shit we went through last year. we certainly need to bring in some new players like a fucking striker if we're to have any guarantee of staying up. as a whole though we do have a much better team on paper than the table suggests, chair, willock, dunne, JCS, paal and field at least are good enough on their day to get into most sides in the league. dozzell deserves a mention too as he's stepped it up and finally looks like a championship player. Laird immediately showed he had the ability to carry the ball past opposing players and very likely able to play Premiership football, other than 1 cross field pass against Rotherham Cannon has looked just plain average to me. I never bought into Dieng being poor here, his form fell off when Beale left just like every other player, it’s no secret Boro fans are also delighted with his performances this season. Begovic despite his size looks vulnerable on crosses where oppo players are physically challenging him to collect, noticeable that some tame looking shots are not taken cleanly first time. Cook is a very similar player to Dunne in that he can look clumsy and slow whereas Balogun was quicker and could stride out of defence with the ball. Dozzell performances have been dismal and crab like since he’s arrived and not a lot has changed for me.
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Post by Bill on Nov 25, 2023 10:11:14 GMT
I think we don't have enough to make up the ground needed to avoid relegation. In November. Hilarious Ground is generally heavy this time of year.
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Post by acricketer on Jan 1, 2024 16:45:45 GMT
I think we don't have enough to make up the ground needed to avoid relegation. In November. Hilarious Don't worry, it's only January!
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 1, 2024 17:05:48 GMT
Relegation. Nailed on.
Tell us you know how shit these bastards are, Marti.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 1, 2024 17:07:51 GMT
That’s probably the result and performance that has tipped me into thinking we are down short of some absolutely amazing striker arriving asap
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 1, 2024 17:09:31 GMT
Going down if we don’t bring in a couple.
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Jan 1, 2024 17:22:11 GMT
Relegation nailed on then administration.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 1, 2024 17:23:50 GMT
Neil wouldn't put up with these cunts. Not for a second.
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