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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 2, 2024 12:13:54 GMT
Aren’t ready? They haven’t been ready for ten years. What the fuck is Ramsey here for? If he was in the real world his record of failure would have seen him down the road long ago. our whole development strategy appears pointless. I think when they embarked down this development road they said it would take 10years before we saw results well it must be ten years or thereabouts so where is the talent and the pathways to first team. Why does Ramsey get a free pass after so long here? And Hall. On the bench as managers come and managers go. And Andy Belk Why these three are still in a job at QPR after all these years is beyond me! What have they actually achieved of any significance? And how many perpetual failures have they presided over? Moreover, we've been calling for these to go for literally years. Zero standards at rangers and zero accountability. It’s absolutely ridiculous and totally unsustainable Correct. Jobs for the boys with zero accountability in a situation that's been on a downward spiral for an entire decade. Ramsey, Hall and Belk being prime examples. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 2, 2024 12:33:20 GMT
A group of critical fans should invite the club to a meeting asap. Not the "culprits" who attended the last one, who largely was an embarrassment to watch. From what I can recall, Halthou from here was the only one who raised a few critical questions.
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Post by James1979 on Jan 2, 2024 12:50:21 GMT
Can’t disagree with any of the above. We’ve had people employed by our club for years who have delivered nothing.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 2, 2024 13:01:38 GMT
“On 1 November 2014, Ramsey was appointed Head of Player Development and Academy Manager”
Now Technical Director? Why?
Along with Les he must have cost this club millions and achieved three parts of fuck all. Les has gone, how about Paul Furlong getting a leg up?
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Post by jfrabbit on Jan 2, 2024 14:31:06 GMT
Because the club is run so terribly from the top down, this is what you will get.
People in these jobs who are actually the decision makers. They are the ones who will be advising Lee Hoos and the silly fucking owner because they don’t know their arse from their elbow when it comes to football.
Basically the lunatics running the asylum.
Needs a complete clear out from top to bottom.
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Post by acricketer on Jan 2, 2024 15:29:45 GMT
How are they measured? What goals are they set each year? What incentives are in place? Who are they accountable to?
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 2, 2024 15:42:30 GMT
For all we know Belk has been suggesting brilliant young players I'm sceptical - after over a decade I'd have thought we'd have seen more evidence of that by now. the fundamental problem lies higher up. I think the fundamental problem is from top to bottom. |
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Post by Greg1882 on Jan 2, 2024 15:56:06 GMT
Lack of standards and accountability runs right the way through the club. Losing money but continue to employ people who return absolutely nothing. I think I read before we have 40 more direct involvement staff members than Millwall. Assume they earn 30k a year each which they definitely don’t there’s a 1.2 million pound saving straight away. The lack of awareness runs into the squad too as an example after the Cardiff game Paul smyth is posting about his goal. I’m not for one minute saying he can’t be happy with his contribution but for fuck sake read the room. Be accountable for another below par performance and another home defeat. There’s no leader at the helm and we all know how ships without captains tend to get on
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Post by conorqpr on Jan 5, 2024 12:16:21 GMT
The club has been ran like some kind of circus.
There is little to no direction, how on earth Andy Belk and Chris Ramsey are still in a job is beyond me, if this was any other business they would have been sacked for underperformance.
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Post by Corbray on Jan 5, 2024 12:36:09 GMT
personally i don't agree with the level of stick ramsey gets. imo he mainly gets stick because of his relationship with les.
fact of the matter is we hadn't developed anyone from our academy prior to his arrival bar raheem sterling who left when he was 15. since ramsey came in we've had a fair few cheap buys, diamonds in the rough and academy graduates. ramsey was also on the podcast earlier in the year where he said that his hands are tied a lot of the time when it comes to our u16 players as we have had a few poached by bigger clubs in recent years.
he's the least of our concern imo.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 5, 2024 13:05:14 GMT
After 10 years here he can’t make excuses like that. If you’ve got a top job the idea is you find a way. In the real world if you say you can’t do your job because your hands are tied you’d soon be asked why you’re needed then. I’m sure it’s not easy to compete with big clubs - but other small clubs are in the same position.
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Post by Corbray on Jan 5, 2024 13:52:29 GMT
After 10 years here he can’t make excuses like that. If you’ve got a top job the idea is you find a way. In the real world if you say you can’t do your job because your hands are tied you’d soon be asked why you’re needed then. I’m sure it’s not easy to compete with big clubs - but other small clubs are in the same position. but since he arrived in 2014 we've had quite a few come through. its only in recent years that the well has dried up a bit so to speak but even now we are hanging our hats on armstrong, kolli and EDB who ramsey would have spent time unearthing and working with. one of the things ramsey said in his interview was that more interest from big clubs comes when you start developing more players. so when we had that group of players come through/developed 4-6 years ago bigger clubs will look at us and go "hmmm, what else do they have?" ramsey's job seems like a failure because the only real successful sale for the club was eze. had we sold the others for what they were worth then we'd all be very happy with ramsey as our circumstance would be far different to what it is now. |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 5, 2024 14:51:19 GMT
After 10 years here he can’t make excuses like that. If you’ve got a top job the idea is you find a way. In the real world if you say you can’t do your job because your hands are tied you’d soon be asked why you’re needed then. I’m sure it’s not easy to compete with big clubs - but other small clubs are in the same position. but since he arrived in 2014 we've had quite a few come through. its only in recent years that the well has dried up a bit so to speak but even now we are hanging our hats on armstrong, kolli and EDB who ramsey would have spent time unearthing and working with. one of the things ramsey said in his interview was that more interest from big clubs comes when you start developing more players. so when we had that group of players come through/developed 4-6 years ago bigger clubs will look at us and go "hmmm, what else do they have?" ramsey's job seems like a failure because the only real successful sale for the club was eze. had we sold the others for what they were worth then we'd all be very happy with ramsey as our circumstance would be far different to what it is now. Who are these “quite a few” that he’s brought through since 2014? I don’t think any of our coaches and scouts have done a good job. It’s not just Ramsey. Only Marti and Xavi are exempt. |
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Post by Corbray on Jan 5, 2024 18:03:19 GMT
but since he arrived in 2014 we've had quite a few come through. its only in recent years that the well has dried up a bit so to speak but even now we are hanging our hats on armstrong, kolli and EDB who ramsey would have spent time unearthing and working with. one of the things ramsey said in his interview was that more interest from big clubs comes when you start developing more players. so when we had that group of players come through/developed 4-6 years ago bigger clubs will look at us and go "hmmm, what else do they have?" ramsey's job seems like a failure because the only real successful sale for the club was eze. had we sold the others for what they were worth then we'd all be very happy with ramsey as our circumstance would be far different to what it is now. Who are these “quite a few” that he’s brought through since 2014? I don’t think any of our coaches and scouts have done a good job. It’s not just Ramsey. Only Marti and Xavi are exempt. of the players we've signed/came through our academy in that time we've had: lumley, dieng, BOS, furlong, manning, eze, chair, armstrong, EDB and josh bowler off the top of my head. all spent considerable time in our u23s regardless of whether we paid fees for them. some like EDB and armstrong aren't the finished artical though. collectively what would a fair price for them be had we sold them when we should have? i don't think £40-50m is too far off the mark given we got 20m for eze alone (with add ons). instead we have just over £20m to show for the lot with our 3rd best sale being josh bowler at only £1.5m lol. |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 6, 2024 12:27:40 GMT
Who are these “quite a few” that he’s brought through since 2014? I don’t think any of our coaches and scouts have done a good job. It’s not just Ramsey. Only Marti and Xavi are exempt. of the players we've signed/came through our academy in that time we've had: lumley, dieng, BOS, furlong, manning, eze, chair, armstrong, EDB and josh bowler off the top of my head. all spent considerable time in our u23s regardless of whether we paid fees for them. some like EDB and armstrong aren't the finished artical though. collectively what would a fair price for them be had we sold them when we should have? i don't think £40-50m is too far off the mark given we got 20m for eze alone (with add ons). instead we have just over £20m to show for the lot with our 3rd best sale being josh bowler at only £1.5m lol. Still don’t believe that’s a good number over the years we’ve had with Ramsey and some of the other coaches that are still here. You also have to offset with the absolute tosh we have signed too. I want to see players develop and improve. We don’t seem to have a single striker / forward that has come through our youth team that is any good. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 6, 2024 12:56:56 GMT
….while we had one of the best strikers this club will ever have sitting in the box watching.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 6, 2024 21:24:40 GMT
Corbs, I think you are gallant in your attempts to defend the indefensible.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 7, 2024 8:01:52 GMT
I’m not sure I would give Ramsey/club a pass to say they have developed likes of Lumley etc I’m absolutely not against bringing in decent players released by other clubs I think that’s sensible approach but that’s just part of the jigsaw the other part is spotting kids at the age of 10 in Sunday league football and bringing them through; that’s what we appear unable to do and that’s harder then picking up other people’s hard work.
If I’m Ramsey and the argument is we do actually find kids at grass roots but they are nicked by bigger prem clubs then that’s something to defend your efforts and reputation against but if I’m honest who are these players we’re losing why is he/club not defending their efforts as we might not benefit from the players but reputationally for our academy it’s good news story which should attract more and better players going forwards with the hope we then to benefit.
Only name recently I can think of is Harvey Elliot?? If correct we should be all over claiming part of the credit for his development and saying this is what our academy developments.
There just seems to be a total malaise about the club where we’re willing to accept mediocrity and whatever is given to us. If we’re Losing top talent we have nurtured for nothing then start banging the drum start campaigning and complaining to the authorities and make some noise and get others involved as we can’t be the only ones in this position.
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