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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 15, 2024 11:01:24 GMT
Supporting QPR, for me, has always been a combination of realism, optimism and healthy scepticism.
What it has never been is pessimism and cynicism.
I am an optimist by nature though, and appreciate not everyone is.
Discuss / What are you?
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Post by coneysboots on Jan 15, 2024 11:25:13 GMT
I pretty much agree with what you have put. Realism is probably the overiding one, as you can't not be realistic supporting QPR. Whilst this has probably been my feelings for most of my 50 years supporting them, I have found optimism being replaced by cynicism, in the last 5 years or so.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 15, 2024 12:09:40 GMT
I think I'd need therapy to work out why I put up with this shit.
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Post by Corbray on Jan 15, 2024 12:16:22 GMT
i'm certainly more of a happy clapper type who tries to give our players and staff the benefit of the doubt and time to turn things around. way i look at it is we're never gunna be a big or successful club and aside from a few glory years here and there we're historically around our level. according to wiki we've only spent 23 years of our history in the top flight for example.
sure, i'm hopeful that one day we get into europe or make it to the 4th round of the FA cup but its not the end of the world if we don't.
the beautiful thing about football is a win feels just as good to a fan if you're man city, QPR or grimsby town.
things about our club do annoy me though as we could and should have been better run over the past 10 years but poor leadership and a largely inept board have put us right up shit creek.
i do like the community aspect of the club which is something a lot of big clubs don't get to really enjoy. i'm just your passionate average fan but i've been able to attend many QPR events in the past both due to this forum and due to reaching out to the club. how many liverpool, chelsea or man utd fans can say the same? i'd prefer us not to be a big club because of the intimacy this club has so its not really all doom and gloom.
whatever division this club is in i'd still go to games, the only thing that would really put a stop to that is if we had oyston type owners.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jan 15, 2024 12:52:24 GMT
I'm very much like Corbs.
Really don't like ripping into the club, players or manager. The owners have make some poor decisions over the years, but have paid for those mistakes - so I believe they're an honourable bunch who will stick by the club. We could do better, but we could do an awful lot worse.
As things are, I have been ground down by the way things have been since the club didn't extend Warbs' contract.
I felt he was a manager very suited to the club. He steadied the ship, and made incremental progress. I know some were pleased when he left, but I was disappointed by the club in failing to show a bit of loyalty and reward for his work. Have to say, my overall feeling towards the club took a dive at that point.
The Beale adventure was initially quite exciting, but soon went very sour, and it's been a disaster ever since.
Realism, optimism and scepticism?
Realism and scepticism - yes. Optimism - no.
From where we were at the end of Ainsworth's tenure, I suppose I am slightly more optimistic than I was, but I'm on the verge of writing the season off and seeing how things are in August and League One.
But then that's how I felt in the play-off final. Our aging warhorses were getting battered by a young, creative Derby County side. And when O'Neill was sent off with over half an hour to play, well it was one-way traffic and the nervousness was excruciating. I was almost hoping Derby just scored to put us out of misery - I could then just accept it and move on. But the joy at Zamora's goal... I didn't get my voice back for two days.
And I suppose that's how I feel about our season now. It looks hopeless and I've kind of accepted relegation. For now I'm pretty depressed about things.
But if the players show some guts and passion and start putting in some decent performances, I know I'll get sucked right back into the hope and expectation...
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Post by acricketer on Jan 15, 2024 13:03:27 GMT
It's a case of 'Identification', the act of subverting who you are and allowing your happiness to be controlled by things that you have no control over. EG getting upset when what 11 blokes do (who you've probably never met) in a field with a spherical object filled with air.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 15, 2024 14:07:03 GMT
Born in Queen’s Park meant a lifelong association for me. I went to school in St John’s Wood and most of the catchment was in the opposite direction so plenty of Spuds and Arse. No glory hunters in those days so even when we won the League Cup me and one other kid from QP estate still got the piss ripped out of us for following a little club. One kid followed Fools but he got away with it as they were in old First Divn. Watford and Brentford nowhere in those days. Enjoy watching others as a neutral, sometimes a bit biased but never the same gut feeling as watching my team.
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Post by BrightonR on Jan 15, 2024 14:31:05 GMT
I pretty much agree with what you have put. Realism is probalby the overiding one, as you can't not be realistic supporting QPR. Whilst this has probably been my feelings for most of my 50 years supporting them, I have found optimism being replaced by cynicism, in the last 5 years or so. Pretty much my thoughts too. Although, I have to say a great deal of frustration has crept in alongside. I just struggle to believe the levels of utter incompetence from the top down. Quite possibly, overall the weakest group of players I can recall. And without doubt, the biggest underachievers in relation to realistic expectations.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 15, 2024 15:39:57 GMT
Same fascinating and insightful responses so far. Thanks all.
Just to clarify a couple of points from my OP:
I am an optimist by nature. That doesn't mean I am ALWAYS optimistic about the fortunes of my club, but in general I am. I don't believe this is anything we can really control because it comes down to personality types.
Regarding the pessimism and cynicism aspect, again my personality in general does not possess these traits - which is why I draw the distinction with this against realism, optimism and healthy scepticism. These traits inevitably have a bearing on how we handle the rollercoaster ride of supporting our club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 17:19:57 GMT
How much has our fanbase changing had an effect on the club's demise over the last decade or so?
I looked around the train/ground yesterday and there was no difference between our fanbase and Watford's. The same type of middle-class, shirt and scarf wearing group who take a trip to the "footie" as a family and like the thrill of attending a match but not the rough and ready language those naughty boys in the stands sometimes use but thankfully we can inform QPR via text...
I'm not saying we were on par with Millwall, Leeds or West Ham but we were a solid working class fanbase with a bit of an edge. It was that edge that saw us through 1987 and was capable of generating some incredible atmospheres at Loftus Road.
So, serious question, do we tolerate more shit and have we seen a decline now because as a fanbase we have become too much like Watford, a fanbase universally laughed at for what they are?
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Post by The General on Jan 15, 2024 17:49:19 GMT
You would have to be mental to support Qpr
Really think this
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Post by The General on Jan 15, 2024 17:49:56 GMT
Why would you if you had a choice
It just ruins every weekend
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 17:58:34 GMT
You would have to be mental to support Qpr Really think this I think you'd have to be mental to choose to be a QPR fan now - I can see the attraction for those who piggy backed on the club in the 70s/80s/90s - but like us, some kids didn't or don't have a choice!
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Post by MattyRangers on Jan 15, 2024 18:15:16 GMT
You would have to be mental to support Qpr Really think this I think you'd have to be mental to choose to be a QPR fan now - I can see the attraction for those who piggy backed on the club in the 70s/80s/90s - but like us, some kids didn't or don't have a choice! Yea I didn't have a choice. Old man was from down the road from stadium so obviosuly brought up Rangers, & I had the cursed passed onto me from as soon as I could walk.... and it really is a bloody curse at times ha
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 18:23:48 GMT
I think you'd have to be mental to choose to be a QPR fan now - I can see the attraction for those who piggy backed on the club in the 70s/80s/90s - but like us, some kids didn't or don't have a choice! Yea I didn't have a choice. Old man was from down the road from stadium so obviosuly brought up Rangers, & I had the cursed passed onto me from as soon as I could walk.... and it really is a bloody curse at times ha I've a long list of how my Dad was an absoloute disaster as a father and I'm certain forcing me into this should be on there...
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Post by Corbray on Jan 15, 2024 22:30:34 GMT
Yea I didn't have a choice. Old man was from down the road from stadium so obviosuly brought up Rangers, & I had the cursed passed onto me from as soon as I could walk.... and it really is a bloody curse at times ha I've a long list of how my Dad was an absoloute disaster as a father and I'm certain forcing me into this should be on there... my dads biggest failure as a parent was not getting me to support his team, fulham whereas his dad is a huge chelsea fan. rest of my family are also all chelsea lol. i was stupid enough to choose QPR when i was about 10 but a small part of me is tempted to encourage my son to support brentford just so there are 4 generations of sons supporting different west london clubs lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 22:39:54 GMT
I've a long list of how my Dad was an absoloute disaster as a father and I'm certain forcing me into this should be on there... my dads biggest failure as a parent was not getting me to support his team, fulham whereas his dad is a huge chelsea fan. rest of my family are also all chelsea lol. i was stupid enough to choose QPR when i was about 10 but a small part of me is tempted to encourage my son to support brentford just so there are 4 generations of sons supporting different west london clubs lol. My maternal side if the family are all Chelsea and my Grandad tried to tempt me when I was a very small boy into supporting them. Apparently, and I don't remember this of course, my Dad told him he'd never see me again if he carried on 🤣
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 16, 2024 10:45:36 GMT
I think I'd need therapy to work out why I put up with this shit. Indeed 77, and is what prompted this thread really. It certainly leads us to ponder on it.
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Post by acricketer on Jan 16, 2024 13:26:44 GMT
Here's AI's answer:
Supporting a soccer club, or any sports team, involves complex psychological factors. Here are some key aspects:
Identity and Belonging: People often associate themselves with a team as a form of identity. Supporting a soccer club can provide a sense of belonging to a community of like-minded individuals who share a common interest. Social Connection: Fandom fosters social connections. Supporting a team allows fans to connect with others who have similar affiliations. This shared passion can lead to the formation of friendships and social networks. Emotional Attachment: Fans develop emotional attachments to their teams. Wins and losses can have a significant impact on their emotions. The sense of joy during victories and disappointment during defeats contributes to the emotional rollercoaster of being a fan. Cultural and Regional Affiliation: Many fans support a team based on cultural or regional ties. The team may represent a city, region, or community, and supporting it becomes a way of expressing local pride and identity. Sense of Tradition and History: Soccer clubs often have rich histories and traditions. Fans may be drawn to the legacy of a team, its achievements, and the narratives associated with its past. This historical connection can deepen the fan's loyalty. Escapism and Entertainment: Supporting a soccer club can serve as a form of escapism and entertainment. It provides a break from daily routines, allowing fans to immerse themselves in the excitement and drama of the sport. Symbolism and Rituals: Fans often engage in rituals and symbolic behaviors associated with their team. Wearing team colors, chanting slogans, and participating in pre-game rituals create a sense of unity and shared experience among supporters. Group Dynamics: Being part of a fan community involves group dynamics. Fans experience a collective identity and shared goals, creating a sense of unity. Group dynamics can amplify emotions and intensity during matches. Sense of Ownership: Fans may feel a sense of ownership or responsibility for the team's success. This psychological investment can lead to increased dedication and involvement in supporting the club. Personal Achievement by Proxy: Fans often experience a sense of personal achievement by proxy when their team succeeds. The victories of a soccer club can provide fans with a feeling of accomplishment, even though they are not directly involved in the players' actions. In summary, supporting a soccer club is a multifaceted psychological phenomenon driven by identity, social connections, emotions, cultural affiliations, tradition, escapism, and a sense of belonging to a larger community.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2024 13:46:36 GMT
Personal Achievement by Proxy:Fans often experience a sense of personal achievement by proxy when their team succeeds. The victories of a soccer club can provide fans with a feeling of accomplishment, even though they are not directly involved in the players' actions. This manifests itself in 2 ways: It's the reason why so many armchair fans 'support' a successful team so they have something to make themselves feel good about. Secondly, it's why many fans who do go see their club as an extension of their personality. The former is sad but the latter can lead to some placing too much emphasis in their lives on their team of choice.
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Post by acricketer on Jan 16, 2024 15:17:56 GMT
We'd all be suicidal at the moment!
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Post by systemsguy on Jan 16, 2024 16:16:02 GMT
I didn't bother finding out the results on Saturday as any teams further pulling away would have ruined Saturday let alone Sunday!
I now just turn up when we're at home, watch and leave without thinking too deeply about what's needed to pull us out of appearing in season 4 of Welcome to Wrexham next year....
My NFL team of choice is Green Bay.
I chose them during the late 80s when they were a struggling team at the time, my doldrums were totally extinguished Sunday night when they surprisingly beat the Cowboys away in the playoffs....
Winning or losing sets up your week...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2024 16:19:32 GMT
We'd all be suicidal at the moment! Read some posts on Twitter and LFW and some are hurting as if the person they love most in the World is dying...
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Post by 2Loftus on Jan 16, 2024 17:24:14 GMT
Having been on this forum for a few years it's amazing just how different we all are. Which had me pondering on what exactly the 'average fan' might be. Imagine a fruit bowl containing an apple, banana, satsuma, grape, kiwi, lemon, ugly, orange, lychee, tomato, pineapple, peach, lime, apricot, date, melon, pomegranate and mandarin - and wondering what the average fruit is?
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 16, 2024 17:55:50 GMT
Indeed Loftus, we are quite the smorgasboard
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Post by Corbray on Jan 16, 2024 18:17:04 GMT
i like the different opinions and characters on this board. its not a circlejerk like some other forums but there are still always good and respectful debates/disagreements.
WATRB used to be good but there were far too many WUM's and idiots who looked down on fans who couldn't attend games, it was like something they'd have in their back pocket to bring out whenever a disagreement happened. not to mention the sheer aggression on an almost daily basis lol.
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Post by acricketer on Jan 16, 2024 18:18:58 GMT
Having been on this forum for a few years it's amazing just how different we all are. Which had me pondering on what exactly the 'average fan' might be. Imagine a fruit bowl containing an apple, banana, satsuma, grape, kiwi, lemon, ugly, orange, lychee, tomato, pineapple, peach, lime, apricot, date, melon, pomegranate and mandarin - and wondering what the average fruit is? More than enough for a fruitcake!
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Post by 2Loftus on Jan 16, 2024 19:29:50 GMT
Having been on this forum for a few years it's amazing just how different we all are. Which had me pondering on what exactly the 'average fan' might be. Imagine a fruit bowl containing an apple, banana, satsuma, grape, kiwi, lemon, ugly, orange, lychee, tomato, pineapple, peach, lime, apricot, date, melon, pomegranate and mandarin - and wondering what the average fruit is? More than enough for a fruitcake! Which traditionally contains a few nuts too…
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2024 20:38:39 GMT
i like the different opinions and characters on this board. its not a circlejerk like some other forums but there are still always good and respectful debates/disagreements. WATRB used to be good but there were far too many WUM's and idiots who looked down on fans who couldn't attend games, it was like something they'd have in their back pocket to bring out whenever a disagreement happened. not to mention the sheer aggression on an almost daily basis lol. Let's not beat about the bush (Pardon the pun for a QPR board). What makes this site fantastic is that there isn't a clique and circlejerk like LFW and we don't have a cult around Stan either. I love the fact that people feel that they can post whatever they want and sometimes they may be called a cunt and on other occasions many posters agree with them but its a platform for debate and discussion. It makes it a great place to be.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 16, 2024 21:34:53 GMT
i like the different opinions and characters on this board. its not a circlejerk like some other forums but there are still always good and respectful debates/disagreements. WATRB used to be good but there were far too many WUM's and idiots who looked down on fans who couldn't attend games, it was like something they'd have in their back pocket to bring out whenever a disagreement happened. not to mention the sheer aggression on an almost daily basis lol. Let's not beat about the bush (Pardon the pun for a QPR board). What makes this site fantastic is that there isn't a clique and circlejerk like LFW and we don't have a cult around Stan either. I love the fact that people feel that they can post whatever they want and sometimes they may be called a cunt and on other occasions many posters agree with them but its a platform for debate and discussion. It makes it a great place to be. There's also the Ignore function, as a last resort 😅 PS - I had to google "circlejerk". Yes, it's exactly what the word implies 😂
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