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Post by James1979 on May 8, 2024 19:08:00 GMT
Strikers have either got it or not. You can coach train as much as u want but it’s a natural god given gift. By Armstrong's age if he not comfortable banging in goals he never going to be. That’s why the gifted ones command the gravy and the rest are wannabes Yeah that’s fair point. But what about someone like Henry? He was rubbish at finishing until Wenger coached him. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 8, 2024 19:12:14 GMT
But Henry probably banged them in at younger, strikers don’t have to think where to be its instinct, they don’t run round like headless chickens. They just know how to put ball in net.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2024 20:26:30 GMT
Strikers have either got it or not. You can coach train as much as u want but it’s a natural god given gift. By his age if he not comfortable banging in goals he never going to be. That’s why the gifted ones command the gravy and the rest are wannabes Yeah that’s fair point. But what about someone like Henry? He was rubbish at finishing until Wenger coached him. Henry was a flat track bully who only did it in England and against weak opponents in Europe and international football. Armstrong hasn't even showed that he can bully. |
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Post by James1979 on May 8, 2024 21:20:33 GMT
Yeah that’s fair point. But what about someone like Henry? He was rubbish at finishing until Wenger coached him. Henry was a flat track bully who only did it in England and against weak opponents in Europe and international football. Armstrong hasn't even showed that he can bully. Flat track bully? Were the goals he were shooting in wider or something? He scored 174 goals for Arsenal in 250 games |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2024 5:39:19 GMT
Henry was a flat track bully who only did it in England and against weak opponents in Europe and international football. Armstrong hasn't even showed that he can bully. Flat track bully? Were the goals he were shooting in wider or something? He scored 174 goals for Arsenal in 250 games And his record outside England? Regularly booed playing for France and went missing against the better teams in Europe in matches that mattered. Never scored in a final either as an aside. As another aside, only scored 6 away goals in the Premier League against the 6 biggest sides... |
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Post by hal9thou on May 9, 2024 21:33:33 GMT
Yeah that’s fair point. But what about someone like Henry? He was rubbish at finishing until Wenger coached him. Henry was a flat track bully who only did it in England and against weak opponents in Europe and international football.
Wow. How mad is this place?
I can't decide which is weirder: the astonishing claim about Henry or the fact that he's even mentioned in the Armstrong thread.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2024 21:40:45 GMT
Henry was a flat track bully who only did it in England and against weak opponents in Europe and international football.
Wow. How mad is this place?
I can't decide which is weirder: the astonishing claim about Henry or the fact that he's even mentioned in the Armstrong thread.
You don't think Henry was overrated? That's cool but you've got to explain why he was only successful at Arsenal, was regularly booed playing for France, only scored 6 away goals in the Premier League against top sides, went missing in big European games for Arsenal, went missing in big International games for France and never scored in a final... Good luck with that 👍 |
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Post by Corbray on May 9, 2024 21:56:14 GMT
Wow. How mad is this place?
I can't decide which is weirder: the astonishing claim about Henry or the fact that he's even mentioned in the Armstrong thread.
You don't think Henry was overrated? That's cool but you've got to explain why he was only successful at Arsenal, was regularly booed playing for France, only scored 6 away goals in the Premier League against top sides, went missing in big European games for Arsenal, went missing in big International games for France and never scored in a final... Good luck with that 👍 henry overrated? not a chance. brilliant player and likely the best of all time in the prem. he was france's record scorer until recently, was great at barcelona despite being past his best and has one of the best goals to games ratio in premiership history. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2024 22:00:57 GMT
You don't think Henry was overrated? That's cool but you've got to explain why he was only successful at Arsenal, was regularly booed playing for France, only scored 6 away goals in the Premier League against top sides, went missing in big European games for Arsenal, went missing in big International games for France and never scored in a final... Good luck with that 👍 henry overrated? not a chance. brilliant player and likely the best of all time in the prem. he was france's record scorer until recently, was great at barcelona despite being past his best and has one of the best goals to games ratio in premiership history. But yet the French regularly booed him, he only scored 6 away goals against the top Premier League sides in 8 seasons, Barcelona got rid of him and wouldn't offer a new contract amd his goals for France were mostly against teams who were 3rd and 4th seeded in groups... It's only the English who think he's great... |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on May 10, 2024 6:36:56 GMT
When was he regularly booed by the French? The only time I can recall is after his handball goal against Ireland, and by that time he was in his 30s and in the twilight of his career.
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Post by West Acton on May 10, 2024 6:38:30 GMT
Thought he was a superb player joy to watch.
I would have his amputated right leg playing up front for us over our shower of shite.
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Post by Greg1882 on May 10, 2024 7:33:43 GMT
Had trouble with Injuries by the time he got to Barcelona but still managed virtually 1 in 2. Don’t think he was overrated at all, scored more than 50 goals internationally and won the World Cup. 174 goals for Arsenal in 250 odd games and at times an absolute pleasure to watch. He was also a winger when he joined. Superb player
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Post by MattyRangers on May 10, 2024 7:39:28 GMT
Henry one of my fave ever PL players. oldr appreciate all entitled to opinions pal but you're miles off it on this 1 mate lol so the French fans 'regularly booed him'? Great, what's that mean? He also won the French Player of the Year 5 times (a record).
Arsenal's all time goal scoring record. Back to back European golden shoe awards. Came 2nd and 3rd in the Ballon d'Or. Tbh his list of achievements / awards is miles long. Bloke was a joy to watch playing as well, IMHO anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 7:59:03 GMT
When was he regularly booed by the French? The only time I can recall is after his handball goal against Ireland, and by that time he was in his 30s and in the twilight of his career. The French wanted him dropped as he only performed against Minnows and he was booed at Stade de France before most games. The handball is a footnote. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 7:59:42 GMT
Henry one of my fave ever PL players. oldr appreciate all entitled to opinions pal but you're miles off it on this 1 mate lol so the French fans 'regularly booed him'? Great, what's that mean? He also won the French Player of the Year 5 times (a record). Arsenal's all time goal scoring record. Back to back European golden shoe awards. Came 2nd and 3rd in the Ballon d'Or. Tbh his list of achievements / awards is miles long. Bloke was a joy to watch playing as well, IMHO anyway. I'm miles off but the stats back me up... |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 8:00:35 GMT
Had trouble with Injuries by the time he got to Barcelona but still managed virtually 1 in 2. Don’t think he was overrated at all, scored more than 50 goals internationally and won the World Cup. 174 goals for Arsenal in 250 odd games and at times an absolute pleasure to watch. He was also a winger when he joined. Superb player 50 International goals... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Thierry_Henry |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 8:09:08 GMT
By the way, I'm not saying that Henry wasn't a fun player to watch, far from it.
But he epitomises an era where - led by Sky - the English felt envious at the talent and success other European leagues had and began to desperately try to convince themselves that they had the same.
He was poor in the Champions League when it mattered.
He was poor for France when it mattered.
He was a flop in Italy when Serie A was the best league in Europe.
He never scored in a final
He scored 6 away goals in 8 seasons against the top Premier League sides...
Your memories don't change just because someone points out reality...
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Post by Greg1882 on May 10, 2024 8:13:02 GMT
Had trouble with Injuries by the time he got to Barcelona but still managed virtually 1 in 2. Don’t think he was overrated at all, scored more than 50 goals internationally and won the World Cup. 174 goals for Arsenal in 250 odd games and at times an absolute pleasure to watch. He was also a winger when he joined. Superb player 50 International goals... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Thierry_Henry51 goals for the French yes |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 8:14:29 GMT
51 goals for the French yes And you think the list of matches he scored in justifies claims that he wasn't underrated and somehow the French fans who saw him play were wrong to boo him? |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 10, 2024 8:15:27 GMT
All this thread really proves is how much statistics can be skewed to try and prove a point imo!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 8:21:35 GMT
All this thread really proves is how much statistics can be skewed to try and prove a point imo! To be fair if it was just stats you may have a point I'd agree with but stats don't prove why he was poor in matches that mattered, a flop in Italy and why only the English fans took him to their hearts and bestowed 'greatness' on him... The question those who doubt he was overrated should be asking is not 'why don't the stats back up his greatness?' but 'why did no one else see things we did?'... |
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Post by jfrabbit on May 10, 2024 8:28:08 GMT
Amazing player but can't stick him as a pundit, especially alongside that fake American accent scrubber Kate Abdo. What an irritating cunt she is. Can't watch them.
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Post by hal9thou on May 11, 2024 15:21:31 GMT
All this thread really proves is how much statistics can be skewed to try and prove a point imo! To be fair if it was just stats you may have a point I'd agree with but stats don't prove why he was poor in matches that mattered What like the 2012 world cup final in which he was named man of the match? Vs a very decent Italy who I think qualify as being top class.
Added to the goals tally, he had a very decent level of assists throughout his career.
I think you are miles off on this one mate, and - as in the little matter of certain CBs outscoring Dykes  - the stats don't back you up. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2024 16:46:11 GMT
To be fair if it was just stats you may have a point I'd agree with but stats don't prove why he was poor in matches that mattered What like the 2012 world cup final in which he was named man of the match? Vs a very decent Italy who I think qualify as being top class.
Added to the goals tally, he had a very decent level of assists throughout his career.
I think you are miles off on this one mate, and - as in the little matter of certain CBs outscoring Dykes - the stats don't back you up. The 2012 World Cup Final between who? If you mean the 2010 final it was between Spain and Holland. If you mean the 20l14 World Cup final it was between Germany and Argentina. Maybe you mean a European Championships but France didn't reach the final in this period. Maybe you mean the World Cup in 2002 (it has got a '2' in it after all) where, with Henry as Captain, Holders France were eliminated in the group stage and there were petitions asking for him to be dropped which were in addition to the boos he attracted at every match at Stade De France.... before thiss at EVERY match If you mean the 2000 European Championships Final between Italy and France, Francesco Totti was named Official Man of the match. It was the ENGLISH commentary teams who named Henry as such. If you mean the 2006 World Cup Final between Italy and France it was Andrea Pirlo who was named official Man of the match. It was ENGLISH commentary teams who named Henry as such. See, sometimes what you believed was true was actually far from it and you need to, as I said, not question why stats don't back up your claims but ask why only the English thought the way they did about him.... |
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Post by hal9thou on May 13, 2024 11:26:37 GMT
yup my typo, 02 it was.
Nevertheless, a couple of points remain. Firstly - as I think you've implied elsewhere - fan reactions can not always be trusted. Secondly, his overall stats (mpgs and assists) compare favourably with some of the best strikers of recent times. Thirdly, if you exclude everything but his Arsenal career, you'd still have to say that the shredded some very decent defences on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2024 11:33:15 GMT
yup my typo, 02 it was. Nevertheless, a couple of points remain. Firstly - as I think you've implied elsewhere - fan reactions can not always be trusted. Secondly, his overall stats (mpgs and assists) compare favourably with some of the best strikers of recent times. Thirdly, if you exclude everything but his Arsenal career, you'd still have to say that the shredded some very decent defences on a regular basis. He was a phenomenon in the Premier League. |
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- the stats don't back you up.